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Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: ouroux58 ()
Date: February 14, 2017 18:13

Imagine if there wasn't bootlegs and all this trades by tapes in the early years, you woud tell that Tattoo You is a real good new album.
Pas a peine de s'branler les boyaux d'la tête guys. When it's good, it's good.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Date: February 14, 2017 18:18

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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.

I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?

I didn't say you did.

However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine smiling smiley

Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: February 14, 2017 18:23

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GasLightStreet
Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...

Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend

... and it's even more killer.


The other way round - making it an EP of four or five songs - would be a more satisfying thing to do, imo.

Goes like this:
01 Heartbreaker
02 Silver Train
03 Hide Your Love
04 Star Star
05 100 Years Ago

Accompanying single-release:
01 Angie
02 Can You Hear The Music

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: February 14, 2017 18:25

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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.

I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?

A new LP, of course, which is was.

Old wine in new bottles, it was.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: February 14, 2017 18:29

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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...

And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.

You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.

Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.

If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: February 14, 2017 19:44

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: boogaloojef ()
Date: February 14, 2017 19:52

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GasLightStreet
Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...

Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend

... and it's even more killer.

You could also add You Should Have Seen Her Ass and Fast Talking Slow Walking.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Date: February 14, 2017 19:53

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Neighbours did indeed. Love that version! We don't know about Heaven, other than that it was recorded on the ER sessions

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Date: February 14, 2017 19:55

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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...

And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.

You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.

Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.

If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.

Cellophane Trousers later became Too Tough. Sounded different apart from the riff.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: February 14, 2017 20:11

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Neighbours did indeed. Love that version! We don't know about Heaven, other than that it was recorded on the ER sessions

Well, according to Nico Zentgraf the ER sessions only produced one take of each with only guide vocals.....June - July 1979... [www.nzentgraf.de] ......the second takes didn't happen until late 1980...(I prefer to trust Nico than CD covers........

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Date: February 14, 2017 20:29

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Neighbours did indeed. Love that version! We don't know about Heaven, other than that it was recorded on the ER sessions

Well, according to Nico Zentgraf the ER sessions only produced one take of each with only guide vocals.....June - July 1979... [www.nzentgraf.de] ......the second takes didn't happen until late 1980...(I prefer to trust Nico than CD covers........

You can listen to Neighbours yourself in the "ER Guitars"-thread here on IORR. Great take! The lyrics aren't finished, but it's pretty close.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: February 14, 2017 20:54

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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.

I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?

I didn't say you did.

However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine smiling smiley

Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.

Well, it is not that important.

But you referred to composed and possibly recorded songs, maybe even finished ones. I wrote about one released album, meant as release of a new album.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: HMS ()
Date: February 14, 2017 21:22

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DandelionPowderman

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile

Can you (or someone else) be more precise please? Which songs are we talking about?

Does it mean they recorded or re-recorded songs written in 1968/69 during SF and EXILE-sessions? Or did they use indeed already-in-the-can-material from the 1968/69-period for SF/EXILE?

Revisiting leftovers and re-recording them isn´t a crime, but using finished takes from the past on a new release, well that´s very different. It would shed a new light on SF/EXILE artistically.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Date: February 14, 2017 21:24

Sister Morphine is from 1968, but it was recorded in March 1969. That's one..

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Date: February 14, 2017 22:56

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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.

I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?

I didn't say you did.

However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine smiling smiley

Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.

Well, it is not that important.

But you referred to composed and possibly recorded songs, maybe even finished ones. I wrote about one released album, meant as release of a new album.

But why? We all know that they released it as a new album.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Date: February 14, 2017 22:59

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Here's Neighbours from the ER Sessions: [www.dropbox.com]

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: Moonshine ()
Date: February 14, 2017 23:24

Exile On Main Street
Sticky Fingers
Beggars Banquet
Let It Bleed
Black and Blue
Aftermath
Some Girls
Out of Our Heads
Emotional Rescue
Tattoo You

In that order today, different tomorrow

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: Ross ()
Date: February 14, 2017 23:30

Once again, HMS finds a way to work in one of his favorite off-topic get-attention posts ("TY is not a real album" when the topic is GHS) and hijacks another thread. I'm not sure why anybody still takes him seriously. I guess there is a little entertainment value in some of the back & forth.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: EddieByword ()
Date: February 14, 2017 23:35

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Here's Neighbours from the ER Sessions: [www.dropbox.com]

There's alot more to that than Nico Zentgraf indicates it's true.....but....how does anyone know where these actual recordings come from, for example, I've got a CD called "Compass Point Works" part 1 which claims to have Neighbours take 1 but in fact has even more than the version you've posted.....almost full lyrics up to 1 and half minutes.........and then more lyrics to finish off....(I accept that Neighbours was started for ER sessions but who really knows which, if any of the available versions, is the true take one?

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: February 15, 2017 00:12

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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.

I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?

I didn't say you did.

However, it was funny hearing Mick on the 1981 tour saying «here's an old blues number we'll play for you»... (It was started in 1972 or 1973, before Ronnie joined the Stones) But the song was brand new to the public: Black Limousine smiling smiley

Of course they intended to put the songs they had scraped off the barrel on a new album. Their working method was different on producing this «new» album, though.

Well, it is not that important.

But you referred to composed and possibly recorded songs, maybe even finished ones. I wrote about one released album, meant as release of a new album.


But why? We all know that they released it as a new album.

Yes, of course, the rest of us know or ought to know. But HMS does not want to know. His prejudice was my target.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:38

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That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...

And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.

You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.

Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.

If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.

With your terms, irrelevant. Just like your opinion.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:38

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Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...

Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend

... and it's even more killer.


The other way round - making it an EP of four or five songs - would be a more satisfying thing to do, imo.

Goes like this:
01 Heartbreaker
02 Silver Train
03 Hide Your Love
04 Star Star
05 100 Years Ago

Accompanying single-release:
01 Angie
02 Can You Hear The Music

Nope.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:39

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To me one vital question is: What did the band in each case intend their release to be?

As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile, those songs probably were intended for release on earlier albums.

I did not say recording, but release. That is, it was more or less a rhetorical question: What did the band mean, for instance, TATTOO YOU as?

A new LP, of course, which is was.

Old wine in new bottles, it was.

Just like a lot of their albums. Funny how real Stones fans understand it.

For some reason, you can't. Then again, you think DIRTY WORK is a great album. That always sums it up.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:41

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Those takes on TATTOO YOU are from the EMOTIONAL RESCUE sessions. They didn't record new takes. So in essence you're right - but the bottoms are from 1979.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:41

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Just made a playlist of a longer GHS with...

Criss Cross Mind
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Waiting On A Friend

... and it's even more killer.

You could also add You Should Have Seen Her Ass and Fast Talking Slow Walking.

I considered it - but they aren't finished, at least from the ones I listened to.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:44

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As there are several 1968/1969-songs on SF and Exile

Can you (or someone else) be more precise please? Which songs are we talking about?

Does it mean they recorded or re-recorded songs written in 1968/69 during SF and EXILE-sessions? Or did they use indeed already-in-the-can-material from the 1968/69-period for SF/EXILE?

Revisiting leftovers and re-recording them isn´t a crime, but using finished takes from the past on a new release, well that´s very different. It would shed a new light on SF/EXILE artistically.

For real true Stones fans it makes no difference. Clearly you are not one.

Re: Goat's Head Soup opinions
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:44

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HMS
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DandelionPowderman
That means that Sticky Fingers and Exile aren't real albums...

And LET IT BLEED and EMOTIONAL RESCUE and IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL and UNDERCOVER.

You know, U is not a real album because it has a song from 1975 on it.

Which song is it? Did they use the recording from 1975 or was it re-recorded?
Re-recording an unreleased song is tolerable, using old recordings for a new album isn´t.

If the re-record Honest Man for their new album, it´s ok.
If they use the vocal and/or instrumental track from back then, it´s cheating on us.

Said only a kook.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 01:51

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Neighbours & Heaven were brand new songs especially written to go on TY.

They were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE.

Granted there was an embryonic take of each song for ER with guide vocals but they didn't really coalesce into proper songs until after ER was released......

Here's Neighbours from the ER Sessions: [www.dropbox.com]

There's alot more to that than Nico Zentgraf indicates it's true.....but....how does anyone know where these actual recordings come from, for example, I've got a CD called "Compass Point Works" part 1 which claims to have Neighbours take 1 but in fact has even more than the version you've posted.....almost full lyrics up to 1 and half minutes.........and then more lyrics to finish off....(I accept that Neighbours was started for ER sessions but who really knows which, if any of the available versions, is the true take one?

They do a lot of takes sometimes. A bootleg is not necessarily definitive with the takes they recorded. A bootleg is can be wrong with information - that's why it's a bootleg. Regardless of that, Neighbours was recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1979 (as was Heaven). It wasn't finished until 1981.

The band did not convene to record new bottoms for tracks that appeared on TATTOO YOU post-EMOTIONAL RESCUE sessions because, through the actions of Chris Kimsey, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, none were needed - they had plenty to work with.

For some reason (it's assinine, I know) only one person here just can not understand, get, fathom or grasp that that still means they are new songs for a new album that is a new release.

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: HankM ()
Date: February 15, 2017 02:09

What was Bianca giving to Steve McQueen?

Re: GHS Stones Most Biggest Letdown?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: February 15, 2017 02:41

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What was Bianca giving to Steve McQueen?

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