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The biggest letdowns for me were Black & Blue, Emotional Rescue and Bridges To Babylon
Maybe you haven't heard ABB!
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The biggest letdowns for me were Black & Blue, Emotional Rescue and Bridges To Babylon
Maybe you haven't heard ABB!
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HMS
No doubt about it, GHS is and will remain their weakest album. It´s just boring and toothless. Some of the songs are pure "MUZAK". Horrible compared to everything that came before and almost everything that came after. It would be easy to put the blame on Taylor, but it wasn´t Taylor alone who messed it up. All of them did. First of all, mediocre songwriting. Then sometimes ridiculous vocal delivery. Uh, so much went wrong, I could go on for an hour or two... Even the sequence of the songs is bad. They opened with the wrong track and closed with the wrong track.
Dancing With Mr. D --- 0/10
100 Years Ago --- 3/10
Coming Down Again --- 0/10
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) --- 10/10
Angie --- 1/10
Silver Train --- 3/10
Hide Your Love --- 10/10
Winter --- 1/10
Can You Hear The Music --- 2/10
Star Star --- 10/10
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I expected great things when they "reunited" for Steel Wheels. But in fact it turned out to be one of their most disappointing albums.
The tension and anger of WWIII was good for the aggressive sound of DW.
Steel Wheels suffered from smoking the peace pipe.
Ah, they were in their mid-forties by that time. I might have been delusionally hoping against hope that they still had one more good one left in them, but seriously, what rock musician has ever really had anything of musical or lyrical importance left to say when they're 45 years old? It's all been said long before then.
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Monsoon Ragoon
The 5 worst albums for me: GHS, ER, VL, BTB (both). But remember they're all still better than the best albums of most bands!
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HMS
Most unsatisfying Stones-album ever. Never liked the style and attitude of the album. US-version is slightly better thanks to LSTNT.
Let's Spend the Night Together 9/10
Yesterday's Papers 2/10
Ruby Tuesday 5/10
Connection 3/10
She Smiled Sweetly 2/10
Cool, Calm & Collected 0/10
All Sold Out 1/10
My Obsession 0/10
Who's Been Sleeping Here? 0/10
Complicated 0/10
Miss Amanda Jones 0/10
Something Happened to Me Yesterday 0/10
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DandelionPowderman
Something Happened To Me Yesterday and All Sold Out are GREAT songwriting.
There are harmonies, cool bridges and unexpected stuff popping up. Why isn't that great?
It´s a pale carbon copy of the Kinks.
(Like almost everything on BT
I even like GHS better than BTB, although GHS is a hard taks to listen to without falling asleep.
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HMS
No doubt about it, GHS is and will remain their weakest album. It´s just boring and toothless. Some of the songs are pure "MUZAK". Horrible compared to everything that came before and almost everything that came after. It would be easy to put the blame on Taylor, but it wasn´t Taylor alone who messed it up. All of them did. First of all, mediocre songwriting. Then sometimes ridiculous vocal delivery. Uh, so much went wrong, I could go on for an hour or two... Even the sequence of the songs is bad. They opened with the wrong track and closed with the wrong track.
Dancing With Mr. D --- 0/10
100 Years Ago --- 3/10
Coming Down Again --- 0/10
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) --- 10/10
Angie --- 1/10
Silver Train --- 3/10
Hide Your Love --- 10/10
Winter --- 1/10
Can You Hear The Music --- 2/10
Star Star --- 10/10
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Dancing With Mr. D 1/10 - I fell asleep.
100 Years Ago 7/10 - nice, something different.
Coming Down Again 5/10 - a lost opportunity, it could have been five times better if done properly
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) 8/10 - nice kick-a$$ rocker, but the sound is WAY too thin. Stop the self-indulgent crap with the title.
Angie 10/10 - perfection a la Stones. Note the recording dynamics are _there_. There is some meat on the bone.
Silver Train 7/10 - the Stones still shine thorough although the production is yet again weak and thin. It's different, and different is often good.
Hide Your Love 6/10 - okay, but this should have been on the chopping block to be replaced by something better
Winter 9/10 - If you "get" Winter it is amazing. Still suffering from somewhat weak production but the song shines, it really shines.
Can You Hear The Music 3/10 - yes interesting, yes chopping block. Very indulgent navel gazing. Yes you can make some different and never before heard of sounds, but for what and why?
Star Star 9/10 - yes yes yes but one more time, such thin and weak production with almost no punch and no bite. The song is great, the recording and production sucks. It sounds like the song was run over by a steam roller and is as flat as a pancake.
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Dancing With Mr. D 1/10 - I fell asleep.
100 Years Ago 7/10 - nice, something different.
Coming Down Again 5/10 - a lost opportunity, it could have been five times better if done properly
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) 8/10 - nice kick-a$$ rocker, but the sound is WAY too thin. Stop the self-indulgent crap with the title.
Angie 10/10 - perfection a la Stones. Note the recording dynamics are _there_. There is some meat on the bone.
Silver Train 7/10 - the Stones still shine thorough although the production is yet again weak and thin. It's different, and different is often good.
Hide Your Love 6/10 - okay, but this should have been on the chopping block to be replaced by something better
Winter 9/10 - If you "get" Winter it is amazing. Still suffering from somewhat weak production but the song shines, it really shines.
Can You Hear The Music 3/10 - yes interesting, yes chopping block. Very indulgent navel gazing. Yes you can make some different and never before heard of sounds, but for what and why?
Star Star 9/10 - yes yes yes but one more time, such thin and weak production with almost no punch and no bite. The song is great, the recording and production sucks. It sounds like the song was run over by a steam roller and is as flat as a pancake.
Can You Hear The Music is navel-gazing and Winter is not???
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MileHigh
Dancing With Mr. D 1/10 - I fell asleep.
100 Years Ago 7/10 - nice, something different.
Coming Down Again 5/10 - a lost opportunity, it could have been five times better if done properly
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) 8/10 - nice kick-a$$ rocker, but the sound is WAY too thin. Stop the self-indulgent crap with the title.
Angie 10/10 - perfection a la Stones. Note the recording dynamics are _there_. There is some meat on the bone.
Silver Train 7/10 - the Stones still shine thorough although the production is yet again weak and thin. It's different, and different is often good.
Hide Your Love 6/10 - okay, but this should have been on the chopping block to be replaced by something better
Winter 9/10 - If you "get" Winter it is amazing. Still suffering from somewhat weak production but the song shines, it really shines.
Can You Hear The Music 3/10 - yes interesting, yes chopping block. Very indulgent navel gazing. Yes you can make some different and never before heard of sounds, but for what and why?
Star Star 9/10 - yes yes yes but one more time, such thin and weak production with almost no punch and no bite. The song is great, the recording and production sucks. It sounds like the song was run over by a steam roller and is as flat as a pancake.
Can You Hear The Music is navel-gazing and Winter is not???
Yes.
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HMS
I expected great things when they "reunited" for Steel Wheels. But in fact it turned out to be one of their most disappointing albums.
The tension and anger of WWIII was good for the aggressive sound of DW.
Steel Wheels suffered from smoking the peace pipe.
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Monsoon Ragoon
The 5 worst albums for me: GHS, ER, VL, BTB (both). But remember they're all still better than the best albums of most bands!
Yet, aside from the usual fan boy 'but their worst is better than' blah blah blah you FAIL to list their actual worst album, DIRTY WORK, and their second worst album, TSMR.
Stones fan fail.
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On Winter Mick is mostly sounding like he adores his own voice, while on CYHTM they get the groove going with mystic sounds and travel into unknown territories, adding some beautiful harmonies and melodic passages – with excellent results, imo.
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On Winter Mick is mostly sounding like he adores his own voice, while on CYHTM they get the groove going with mystic sounds and travel into unknown territories, adding some beautiful harmonies and melodic passages – with excellent results, imo.
Winter is kitsch, but sometimes Stones kitsch works well. (Indian Girl is another example). I like the trance-loop-on-eternal-repeat feel of it, both the guitars as the voice as the lyrics. It's basically a jam. Mick and Keith stopped writing together as they used to, so it never got into a proper song, but still, as a jam it's better than most on the album (but obviously worse than anything on the previous album).
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For me; and it's just a matter of personal taste; I've no flag to plant on any hill nor battle cry; SW is just very useless and bad; Keith's song at the end is something I like; That's one of very almost completely dismissable ones for me. DW i honestly and innocently bought w pleasure and remember just staring at the cassette machine trying to convince myself that these were the guys on top of the heap and ahead of the curve; or even just turning in something with some middling ones, some super ones, and some not so good. It just hurt, physcially and sonically to listen to it; I tried to get past that into the songs and performances but I never took them very seriously after that and they worked hard to maintain that status as things dribbled out. GHS is very very good imo if compared to babylon or wheels...and i guess some others too, as a matter of personal utility in what floats my boat. GHS is in another class worthy of respect even when imo it fails and falls a big flat on a few...all a matter of taste; there's no right and wrong; it's what people enjoy and want to live with and fill the air up with in their personal spaces...so who could argue with that...for me their catalog encompasses some duds that I can't even call a letdown, because i stopped expecting anything really consistently stellar; when they are into it it shows and one can hear it and feel it; when it's fulfilling a contractural obligation and they're throwing some product together from their individual demos...well, this is why they don't release anything for a decade; the time in which another band, like them when they were starting...would have an entire important and influential career. I don't even think it's age or lack of talent or ability; i think its a by rote thing for them for a long time; They end up making more fair to poor ones than excellent ones in the long run and obsure their own importance. but fans have ears, even casual ones...and the ones truly legendary are so because they are brilliant and involved and evolving. this is not what they're into so much these last few or ten or twenty or thirty years. God it's been 28 years since SW? gosh. ABB had a couple I liked and i buzzed on all of it for the first week or so, but...they did this to themselves. that was the point behind my silly sarcasm about being super rich and not really 'needing' anything inresponse to Dandy...i'm no judge or jury and don't matter anyway but I think most of the latter day catalog not very involving, some of it kind of just uninspired; It must be hard living up to a legacy like they have and carrying it around on your back; DW was a complete letdown; i ab felt snookered; i had to strain to take them seriously after that one; The last time i can remember truly playing a new Stone album to death was over upon DW. I suspiciously stayed w them w VL and was encouraged. I think it's under-rated and thought several of them really really good. I had great hopes for Darryl too; i thought they really cared and put a lot of effort into it and i liked it; it would be discourteous to put that one down, tho not all bell ringers; who cares...it felt they were involved and inspired to me. after that nothing much; a few on ABB I liked but ten years later it's Back Of My Hand and RJ. Let Me Down Slow almost made it but there's one careless sloppy line so haphazardly lazy it shut me down from even that one. One More Shot and D&G were both great for me; I liked both of them a lot; I thought 'this stuff is super!' and was delighted. the new eoms tracks for the special release made me sick. i wanted to follow the river to a point deep enough where I could drown myself; i was almost ashamed. haha...B&L is marking time; they've so much talent they can't help to be fun on all the old blues stuff but none of it is as good as Little Red Rooster haha; i better just shut up...
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On Winter Mick is mostly sounding like he adores his own voice, while on CYHTM they get the groove going with mystic sounds and travel into unknown territories, adding some beautiful harmonies and melodic passages – with excellent results, imo.
Winter is kitsch, but sometimes Stones kitsch works well. (Indian Girl is another example). I like the trance-loop-on-eternal-repeat feel of it, both the guitars as the voice as the lyrics. It's basically a jam. Mick and Keith stopped writing together as they used to, so it never got into a proper song, but still, as a jam it's better than most on the album (but obviously worse than anything on the previous album).
I can understand that feeling, and that's the way I'm listening to it as well.
But before we call Winter a masterpiece, we should put it in its proper context. It came out on a follow-up album to Exile – with Let It Loose, Shine A Light, Sweet Virginia, Sweet Black Angel and Loving Cup.
Compared to those songs, which in a way was the purpose of this thread (and the article), Winter falls flat.
Angie, however, is a perfect recording and a very well-written and performed song, imo – no matter whether I like it or not. It's simply on par quality-wise with the other ones I mentioned. IMO, of course.