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So Tattoo You is a stew made of seasoned leftovers from the seventies? But some very tasty leftovers put together by a master chef.
I wouldn't mind if they came up with a stew like that again...
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Let me be clear about Tattoo You .. and tame down some perception that isn't factual.
The songs were polished up .. and two new songs were added from scratch. Tattoo You was not 100% from previous work.
There is nothing published anywhere to suggest anything new was recorded ie the band; it's all leftover tracks. Heaven and Neighbours were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE but weren't finished until 1981 from all accounts.
Mick: Tattoo You is actually an old record. It's all a lot of old tracks that I dug out. And it was very strange circumstances. Chris Kimsey and I went though all the tracks from those two previous records. It wasn't all outtakes; some of it was old songs. And then I went back and found previous ones like Waiting on a Friend, from Goats Head Soup. They're all from different periods.
Well, you know, I don't think there's anything bad in using stuff (from) previous sessions. We recorded 20, 25 tracks and if you go on and if I say to everyone, Well... the first tracks to be finished are the ones that are gonna be on the album - if a track's not finished or if people have got doubts about it, then we'll save it, we'll recut it, throw it out the window, or put it on a future album.
- Mick Jagger, 1982
It's just that those songs didn't seem to fit on any album until now. We tried to use them before but they didn't seem to work. They're good songs though. But you know every album has a lot of oldies on it, and has done for years. We've used, like, Sweet Virginia which was on Exile On Main Street. That was recorded from before Beggars Banquet (sic).
- Mick Jagger, 1981
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KRiffhard
Why are you talking about 'Tattoo You' on this thread?
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SomeGuy
I find the issue of whether TY is a regular studio album or a compilation album fairly uninteresting really.
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I find the issue of whether TY is a regular studio album or a compilation album fairly uninteresting really.
It is interesting for many reasons.
Most of all it is necessary to konw that TY isn´t a "regular studio album" for judging their development as artists. TY simply just does not represent the Stones as artists in 1981 (date of release) - Undercover does represent the Stones as artists in 1983 (date of release).
Of course someone can always enjoy TY without caring what it actually is.
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GasLightStreet
Fortunately the music buying society and intelligent people don't care when the songs for an album were recorded and released. You're the only one and, fortunately, that means absolutely zero in reality.
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SomeGuy
I find the issue of whether TY is a regular studio album or a compilation album fairly uninteresting really.
It is interesting for many reasons.
Most of all it is necessary to konw that TY isn´t a "regular studio album" for judging their development as artists. TY simply just does not represent the Stones as artists in 1981 (date of release) - Undercover does represent the Stones as artists in 1983 (date of release).
Of course someone can always enjoy TY without caring what it actually is.
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Hairball
I've always like the term 'Frankenstein' when referring to Tattoo You, and I believe it was HMS who originally coined that phrase.
Taking various parts, putting them together, and and bringing it back to life ala Frankenstein!
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I find the issue of whether TY is a regular studio album or a compilation album fairly uninteresting really.
It is interesting for many reasons.
Most of all it is necessary to konw that TY isn´t a "regular studio album" for judging their development as artists. TY simply just does not represent the Stones as artists in 1981 (date of release) - Undercover does represent the Stones as artists in 1983 (date of release).
Of course someone can always enjoy TY without caring what it actually is.
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Yezzer Correct.. it def was not a regular studio album. It had no real writing sessions and full group recording sessions. It was a gathering of material from the past that had promise and then all pieced together. I do disagree with it being called a compilation more than a studio release though. Compilation albums refer to things already released or completed songs etc. It's basis was already there
... however it needed plenty of work to be ready. The perception among many is that they simply said .. we have 11 tracks all ready to go. Mix it in a week and put then they put it out .. which wasn't the case.
Now onto the new record .. I do not think the same is taking place here at all .. Possibly some ..but not the case with this one.
This one has been worked on all over and at intervals ... segments and bits ..
In between tours and other things. Shall be very interesting to hear the final product or at least know wth the album sounds like or is all about ha
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It definitely was a studio album
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LazarusSmith
But if they're going to focus on the dredging through the past 22 years of their studio work for releasable gems ... what is the real likelihood - if we're honest - that anything left unreleased for the past couple of decades is ... actually releasable?
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But if they're going to focus on the dredging through the past 22 years of their studio work for releasable gems ... what is the real likelihood - if we're honest - that anything left unreleased for the past couple of decades is ... actually releasable?
Don´t think there´s much in the can they could use since...1989. They´ve been loading their post DW-albums with fillers, so what should be left? The best unused sketches from VL wouldnt even make up a four-track EP...
...and using material older than that... wouldn´t it sound hopelessly dated in... hm... 2020?
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keefriffhard4life
what "unused sketches" did you hear then. I've heard about 6 top notch songs from those sessions that were not put on any album or single. imo VL should have been a double album with each cd about 50 minutes long
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keefriffhard4life
what "unused sketches" did you hear then. I've heard about 6 top notch songs from those sessions that were not put on any album or single. imo VL should have been a double album with each cd about 50 minutes long
I´ve heard Brew,Stew,Ressidue.
A 100-minute version of VL? Hard to bear... it is way too long already...But I admit that the b-sides are dynamite.
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Hairball
Taking various parts, putting them together, and and bringing it back to life ala Frankenstein!
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Taking various parts, putting them together, and and bringing it back to life ala Frankenstein!
... and it became a true monster (... album).
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Taking various parts, putting them together, and and bringing it back to life ala Frankenstein!
... and it became a true monster (... album).
Yes, and the last of it's kind...a true monster whose legend will live on for eternity.
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Stoneage
So Tattoo You is a stew made of seasoned leftovers from the seventies? But some very tasty leftovers put together by a master chef.
I wouldn't mind if they came up with a stew like that again...
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Let me be clear about Tattoo You .. and tame down some perception that isn't factual.
The songs were polished up .. and two new songs were added from scratch. Tattoo You was not 100% from previous work.
There is nothing published anywhere to suggest anything new was recorded ie the band; it's all leftover tracks. Heaven and Neighbours were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE but weren't finished until 1981 from all accounts.
Mick: Tattoo You is actually an old record. It's all a lot of old tracks that I dug out. And it was very strange circumstances. Chris Kimsey and I went though all the tracks from those two previous records. It wasn't all outtakes; some of it was old songs. And then I went back and found previous ones like Waiting on a Friend, from Goats Head Soup. They're all from different periods.
Well, you know, I don't think there's anything bad in using stuff (from) previous sessions. We recorded 20, 25 tracks and if you go on and if I say to everyone, Well... the first tracks to be finished are the ones that are gonna be on the album - if a track's not finished or if people have got doubts about it, then we'll save it, we'll recut it, throw it out the window, or put it on a future album.
- Mick Jagger, 1982
It's just that those songs didn't seem to fit on any album until now. We tried to use them before but they didn't seem to work. They're good songs though. But you know every album has a lot of oldies on it, and has done for years. We've used, like, Sweet Virginia which was on Exile On Main Street. That was recorded from before Beggars Banquet (sic).
- Mick Jagger, 1981
[timeisonourside.com]
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Mick Jagger on Tattoo You from an 1995 Interview:
"Many of the songs consisted at this point of instrumental backing tracks for which vocals had not been recorded. Jagger said in a 1995 interview, "It wasn't all outtakes; some of it was old songs... I had to write lyrics and melodies. A lot of them didn't have anything, which is why they weren't used at the time – because they weren't complete. They were just bits, or they were from early takes
Start me up did not have 'lead' vocals done (it was more or less a scratch track at the time of these sessions. Kimsey put the bass (and drums) through a speaker and ran it into the bathroom at the studio to re-record it... well.. just to to add some 'boooomph' to it .. but those tracks were already laid down previously.
Heaven and Neighbors was worked was worked on during ER .. but they re-recorded some of it for TY.
Many of the songs had backing tracks (drums, bass, some guitar .. ) as Mick states above but not without all the instruments that made it to the final mix for Tattoo You .. and some without any vocals at all. Many were simply rough drafts. Kimsey did an incredible job with it.
However this notion that all the songs were basically done and they only touched them up and combined all those basically finished tracks for TY is false (Stones myth). Take it from Mick Jagger himself ..
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Stoneage
So Tattoo You is a stew made of seasoned leftovers from the seventies? But some very tasty leftovers put together by a master chef.
I wouldn't mind if they came up with a stew like that again...
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Let me be clear about Tattoo You .. and tame down some perception that isn't factual.
The songs were polished up .. and two new songs were added from scratch. Tattoo You was not 100% from previous work.
There is nothing published anywhere to suggest anything new was recorded ie the band; it's all leftover tracks. Heaven and Neighbours were recorded for EMOTIONAL RESCUE but weren't finished until 1981 from all accounts.
Mick: Tattoo You is actually an old record. It's all a lot of old tracks that I dug out. And it was very strange circumstances. Chris Kimsey and I went though all the tracks from those two previous records. It wasn't all outtakes; some of it was old songs. And then I went back and found previous ones like Waiting on a Friend, from Goats Head Soup. They're all from different periods.
Well, you know, I don't think there's anything bad in using stuff (from) previous sessions. We recorded 20, 25 tracks and if you go on and if I say to everyone, Well... the first tracks to be finished are the ones that are gonna be on the album - if a track's not finished or if people have got doubts about it, then we'll save it, we'll recut it, throw it out the window, or put it on a future album.
- Mick Jagger, 1982
It's just that those songs didn't seem to fit on any album until now. We tried to use them before but they didn't seem to work. They're good songs though. But you know every album has a lot of oldies on it, and has done for years. We've used, like, Sweet Virginia which was on Exile On Main Street. That was recorded from before Beggars Banquet (sic).
- Mick Jagger, 1981
[timeisonourside.com]
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Mick Jagger on Tattoo You from an 1995 Interview:
"Many of the songs consisted at this point of instrumental backing tracks for which vocals had not been recorded. Jagger said in a 1995 interview, "It wasn't all outtakes; some of it was old songs... I had to write lyrics and melodies. A lot of them didn't have anything, which is why they weren't used at the time – because they weren't complete. They were just bits, or they were from early takes
Start me up did not have 'lead' vocals done (it was more or less a scratch track at the time of these sessions. Kimsey put the bass (and drums) through a speaker and ran it into the bathroom at the studio to re-record it... well.. just to to add some 'boooomph' to it .. but those tracks were already laid down previously.
Heaven and Neighbors was worked was worked on during ER .. but they re-recorded some of it for TY.
Many of the songs had backing tracks (drums, bass, some guitar .. ) as Mick states above but not without all the instruments that made it to the final mix for Tattoo You .. and some without any vocals at all. Many were simply rough drafts. Kimsey did an incredible job with it.
However this notion that all the songs were basically done and they only touched them up and combined all those basically finished tracks for TY is false (Stones myth). Take it from Mick Jagger himself ..
The only point is that the bottoms ie live band tracks were done. They didn't record new bottoms.
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GasLightStreet
There are plenty of wonky songs left off that they fortunately didn't finish, like the Kenny Loggins Danger Zone wannabe song Honest Man.