We have been fooled with this release. It should have had a sticker saying: "contains two new songs and re-worked previously unreleased material from 1972-80"

It is a compilation of polished old material. Marketing this compilation as a new studio album is like selling a used car with new paint as brandnew. It is not honest.

On my shelve it sits seperated from their original studio-albums in the corner reservated for compilations.

The correct order for their studio-albums is:
....
Some Girls (1978)
Emotional Rescue (1980)
Undercover (1983)
...
TY belongs to their compilation albums.
...no matter what rubbish most discographies are saying - I don´t care ´cause I know I´m right.

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Tattoo You is not a compilation. It wasn’t marketed as one and no-one, other than yourself, ever refers to it as being so!

It is. Similar to the SG-Bonus-CD.
Old songs reworked, only one or two songs were originally recorded for TY as far as I know. Mostly early-mid-70s stuff, some ER-leftovers. No regular album.

There never were any TATTOO YOU sessions for recording bottoms, all strictly leftovers.

So if we were to go by your mindset, the following albums are not albums, they are compilations:

LET IT BLEED
STICKY FINGERS
EXILE ON MAIN STREET
GOATS HEAD SOUP
SOME GIRLS
EMOTIONAL RESCUE
TATTOO YOU
UNDERCOVER

Everyone in the world except you knows that not to be true.

Keep inhaling.

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It depends on the amount of newly written and/or recorded material. EOMS (and other albums) have lots of new songs and were recorded as a band. In case of TY there is not enough newly written/recorded material to call it a regular album and apart from MJ the other band members were hardly involved in the production of TY. It is a compilation of reworked previously unreleased material - just like the SG-bonus-CD is. No one would refer to the SG-Bonus-CD as a regular album. Just like TY it isn´t.

Wrong.

Again.

As usual.

Your opinion is not fact, and as a matter of fact, your opinion is wrong.

Oh and the reissue of SOME GIRLS with the bonus album makes it, officially, a double album.

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We have been fooled with this release. It should have had a sticker saying: "contains two new songs and re-worked previously unreleased material from 1972-80"

It is a compilation of polished old material. Marketing this compilation as a new studio album is like selling a used car with new paint as brandnew. It is not honest.

On my shelve it sits seperated from their original studio-albums in the corner reservated for compilations.

The correct order for their studio-albums is:
....
Some Girls (1978)
Emotional Rescue (1980)
Undercover (1983)
...
TY belongs to their compilation albums.
...no matter what rubbish most discographies are saying - I don´t care ´cause I know I´m right.

What 2 new songs are on TATTOO YOU?

All the songs on TATTOO YOU were finished in 1981, making them... new songs... because they were finished.

You're not right. That fact has been established over and over.

Nothing on TY was "reworked".

What would be classified as "reworked" would be if they took the masters from THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST and updated them with new instrumentation and vocals and changed things.

The Stones have never done that post-release. There for, every studio album they've released has been of new original news upon release, regardless of when the songs were recorded.

Brown Sugar recorded in 1969... and worked on in 1970... but by your flat earthing, STICKY FINGERS is a compilation album because when it was released it wasn't "new" anymore.

Breathe deep, chemtrailer.

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Album: a collection of songs released on a format such as vinyl, compact disc or download. Also known as a Long Player, regardless of format.

Start Me Up is on their last great LP, which is a studio album comprised (aka compiled) of studio recordings. If you want to call TATTOO YOU a compilation, then all of their albums are compilations... of tracks they recorded, when having no relevance.


It doesn't matter WHEN it's released, it's HOW it's released, and if it's on a studio album/LP, it's an album track. What do you consider Shattered or Beast Of Burden or Waiting On A Friend? Album tracks, like Start Me Up and Love Is Strong and Highwire, released as singles.

I dont know why you dont get the difference between album and compilation. Your definition of an album has a too wide range, everything would fit in there.

There is a clear line between studio-album, live-album and compilation album. "Compilation album" is the most fitting term for an album like TY.

...and of course it has a immense relevance when a song was recorded. It is a musical statement at a certain point of time - that is why it matters to know when a song was recorded and when it was released.

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Brown Sugar recorded in 1969... and worked on in 1970... but by your flat earthing, STICKY FINGERS is a compilation album because when it was released it wasn't "new" anymore.

No one would say SF is a compilation album because Brown Sugar was recorded in 1969.

But in case of TY we have half of the "album" originally recorded in the early-mid-70s, almost a decade before TY was released. You cant say that makes no difference.

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Nothing on TY was "reworked".

What would be classified as "reworked" would be if they took the masters from THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST and updated them with new instrumentation and vocals and changed things.

The Stones have never done that post-release. There for, every studio album they've released has been of new original news upon release, regardless of when the songs were recorded.

You dont seem to get the difference between "old" and "new".

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What 2 new songs are on TATTOO YOU?

Dont know.
This is what wikipedia says (maybe it´s rubbish):
Along with two new songs, the Rolling Stones put together this collection to have a new album to promote for their worldwide American Tour 1981/European Tour 1982 beginning that September.

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Album: a collection of songs released on a format such as vinyl, compact disc or download. Also known as a Long Player, regardless of format.

Start Me Up is on their last great LP, which is a studio album comprised (aka compiled) of studio recordings. If you want to call TATTOO YOU a compilation, then all of their albums are compilations... of tracks they recorded, when having no relevance.


It doesn't matter WHEN it's released, it's HOW it's released, and if it's on a studio album/LP, it's an album track. What do you consider Shattered or Beast Of Burden or Waiting On A Friend? Album tracks, like Start Me Up and Love Is Strong and Highwire, released as singles.

I dont know why you dont get the difference between album and compilation. Your definition of an album has a too wide range, everything would fit in there.

Because it's the definition of an album. Which, unlike you, I and everyone else here understands.

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There is a clear line between studio-album, live-album and compilation album. "Compilation album" is the most fitting term for an album like TY.

Yet you refuse to acknowledge the "clear line between a studio-album, live-album and compilation album".

Compilations consist of PREVIOUSLY RELEASED MATERIAL, hence them being an anthology, regardless of its duration. TATTOO YOU is all original recordings.

If the Stones recorded all new takes of what comprises REWIND, what would that be called? It's not a compilation anymore by the standard of previously release material. It would be... a new album.

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...and of course it has a immense relevance when a song was recorded. It is a musical statement at a certain point of time - that is why it matters to know when a song was recorded and when it was released.

That is brilliant, so illuminating, simply unparalelled.

Shit. Now ABBEY ROAD isn't an album, it's a compilation. HOUSES OF THE HOLY and PHYSICAL GRAFFITI aren't albums. They're compilations.

All because of someone's complete lack of logic.

What about lyrical statement? Does it matter when the lyrics were written?

Everyone knows the correct answer to that is no... so you'll say yes, making you wrong... oh, I dunno, I've lost track.

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Brown Sugar recorded in 1969... and worked on in 1970... but by your flat earthing, STICKY FINGERS is a compilation album because when it was released it wasn't "new" anymore.

No one would say SF is a compilation album because Brown Sugar was recorded in 1969.

But in case of TY we have half of the "album" originally recorded in the early-mid-70s, almost a decade before TY was released. You cant say that makes no difference.

Just going by your "rule", which makes SF a compilation. Because, you know, Brown Sugar is old. It wasn't recorded in 1971 or 70. So, by that, YOU say that SF is a compilation.

It makes no difference when tracks are recorded.

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Nothing on TY was "reworked".

What would be classified as "reworked" would be if they took the masters from THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST and updated them with new instrumentation and vocals and changed things.

The Stones have never done that post-release. There for, every studio album they've released has been of new original news upon release, regardless of when the songs were recorded.

I dont seem to get the difference between "old" and "new".

I fixed it for ya to present your true reality.

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What 2 new songs are on TATTOO YOU?

Dont know.
This is what wikipedia says (maybe it´s rubbish):
Along with two new songs, the Rolling Stones put together this collection to have a new album to promote for their worldwide American Tour 1981/European Tour 1982 beginning that September.

Huh.

No surprise that you would go by something that isn't factual.

I can't even follow this thread anymore

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I can't even follow this thread anymore

HA HA!

Hurrrrrrggggggggh. Derailed, somehow, by ignorance.

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I can't even follow this thread anymore

HA HA!

Hurrrrrrggggggggh. Derailed, somehow, by ignorance.

lol


calling TY a compilation is a bit silly. now if they want to say its more of an archive release than an album of songs composed mostly at the same sessions that's different. I'd agree its more like an archive release but an archive release and a compilation are different things



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You can call TY a compilation or an (updated) archive release for good reasons but you never can call it a "new album" for good reasons.

GLS just does not want to confess that one of his favorite albums isn´t really an album (of new songs) but a compilation (of old songs) hence all this hair-splitting. I think we ve done this once before, a few years ago.

btw if the stones dont hurry up with their new album it wont be a new album but a compilation.



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It makes no difference when tracks are recorded.

Not to you but to me and millions of others. As a part of an artists credibility the liner notes of an album should always include recording dates. Especially in case of TY compiling songs from 1972-81.
It is a matter of honesty.

You have a point there, HMS. But 99 percent of those who bought the album never took that into consideration. To them, and I, it was a brand new Stones album. Nothing else.

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Compilations consist of PREVIOUSLY RELEASED MATERIAL

NO.
That´s not an excuse for TY.
A compilation might as well consist of previously unreleased material. As a matter of fact Metamorphosis is a compilation of previously unreleased material. Bruce Springsteen´s Tracks is a compilation of previously unreleased material,TY is a compilation of previously unreleased (updated) material. Voodoo Lounge was a "new album" by definition. Everyone can see the difference between a release like Voodoo Lounge and a release like Tattoo You.

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All the songs on TATTOO YOU were finished in 1981, making them... new songs... because they were finished.

You´re Wrong, wrong, helplessly wrong all over...
finishing an old song does not make it automatically a new song.
Plundered My Soul isn´t a new song, it´s a finished old song (at best). Worried About You wasn´t a new song in 1981 it was an finished old song. You missed the thin line between new song and finished old song it seems... although the line in fact isn´t that thin.

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It makes no difference when tracks are recorded.

Not to you but to me and millions of others. As a part of an artists credibility the liner notes of an album should always include recording dates. Especially in case of TY compiling songs from 1972-81.
It is a matter of honesty.

Millions of others, unlike you, took it for what it was - a new studio album.

"Artists credibility"? You just keep making up fake facts.

Well, I just got fed up with writing all those credit lists out and everyone wants one above the other one, and then I couldn't remember who is playing, so I thought Oh, everyone got paid anyway. So it's much easier to leave the whole thing. I mean I didn't get any credits on it except for the songwriting... I mean it didn't mention my name and what I did and played on the album. If I remember well there is Sonny Rollins on three tracks, Nicky Hopkins on one. There's Pete Townshend.

Mick Jagger, 1981

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Compilations consist of PREVIOUSLY RELEASED MATERIAL

NO.
That´s not an excuse for TY.
A compilation might as well consist of previously unreleased material. As a matter of fact Metamorphosis is a compilation of previously unreleased material. Bruce Springsteen´s Tracks is a compilation of previously unreleased material,TY is a compilation of previously unreleased (updated) material. Voodoo Lounge was a "new album" by definition. Everyone can see the difference between a release like Voodoo Lounge and a release like Tattoo You.

Oh I see. Now you're cherry picking to fit your fake narrative. 99% of the Stones' compilations are previously released material.

FACT: TATTOO YOU is not a compilation.

Just like VOODOO LOUNGE, it consists of songs recorded in recording studios. As it has been unnecessarily established, except for your complete inadequateness, it doesn't matter when they were done, they're still new when they are released, partially because they've never been heard before.

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All the songs on TATTOO YOU were finished in 1981, making them... new songs... because they were finished.

You´re Wrong, wrong, helplessly wrong all over...
finishing an old song does not make it automatically a new song.
Plundered My Soul isn´t a new song, it´s a finished old song (at best). Worried About You wasn´t a new song in 1981 it was an finished old song. You missed the thin line between new song and finished old song it seems... although the line in fact isn´t that thin.

Nope. Unheard of = new. It's new now when it's released.

Since this unreleased new album that isn't finished and is apparently still stuck on the wall according to one blabbering critic, this album will only be a new compilation by the time it's released next December, since it was started in December of 2015.

So no new Stones album, just another compilation.

People people, relax. It doesn't matter whether you categorize TY as a compilation or a studio album. It's your categorizations, why should we care? Why should you care about ours? It's a great album! No matter how you think of it!

ok. it's new when it's finished, but not new really if it's non-finished stuff that gets finished later,
which would make it part new; but totally finished.
(Until the re-mastered re-release special edition, with a new extra track,
and a tongue toy).

That (those) extra track(s) was (is) finished at some point, of course,
or it wouldn't be new; tho we're not sure if it was finished later,
like the other new ones that were finished at a previous date.
At some point I think.
but if and when that's finished, it's new when we get it too, which makes it new on release date.
because it's finished. sorta.

as for release to market, my guess was before Christmas. 2008.
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They've got several finished and release dates stacked;
they're writing all the time and are really very close.
The way this whole feud was marketed was perfect.
they just tell ron to impregnate someone, keep doodling,
and they'll give him a jingle when it's show time.
(and not to give Chuck their phone numbers if he calls him for it).

Mick's a marketing specialist; they are just building suspense
until a lot of the original most loyal key market is dead.
that way they get the angry new kids. He's a step ahead of you, people.
They get to lay about, get record deal after record deal,
release the same stuff. Mick's writing soundtracks for car commercials
in the Philippines. They got a LOT of stuff goin' on, people.
this rock stuff was just the entree.

they were sitting around one day, our boys were,
(they are inseparable behind the press charade w the feud thing),
and Keith woke up and started muttering to rubber legs.
"hmmm, is there any way you could stop impregnating people and focus on business, Mick?
There must be some way to lay about for a few years;
then do a dozen shows w the same set and make, say, 80 billion a show or something; try to work it out."



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Perhaps Mick has one he's working on that's in code about Keith saying all this shit about him, he should get snipped, tiny fella, Brenda and all that, a sort of new Jealous Again kind of thing, not like The Black Crowes but perhaps to a good Keith riff, turn it all around on Keith, someone figures it out, maybe the record sells about 20,000 more copies than it would've.

…. No No ... Mick's got class … he aint no low-dog dobber …...



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