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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
C
I jumped in my chair when I read that, too, but I've learned through the years here that taste is hard to discuss.
I think many don't like or appreciate the surprising maturity of the track, though.
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
C
I jumped in my chair when I read that, too, but I've learned through the years here that taste is hard to discuss.
I think many don't like or appreciate the surprising maturity of the track, though.
Lol it's a weak track imo, crucify me all you want!
Surprising maturity?
"Oh, there's twenty-thousand grandmas
Wave their hankies in the air
All burning up their pensions
And shouting, "It's not fair!"
Hmm...ok if you say so.
I'm also surprised that people actually praise the tune Emotional Rescue.
On the other hand, some people can't relate to why I think Crosseyed Heart is better than all Stones albums since Tattoo You!
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
C
I jumped in my chair when I read that, too, but I've learned through the years here that taste is hard to discuss.
I think many don't like or appreciate the surprising maturity of the track, though.
Lol it's a weak track imo, crucify me all you want!
Surprising maturity?
"Oh, there's twenty-thousand grandmas
Wave their hankies in the air
All burning up their pensions
And shouting, "It's not fair!"
Hmm...ok if you say so.
I'm also surprised that people actually praise the tune Emotional Rescue.
On the other hand, some people can't relate to why I think Crosseyed Heart is better than all Stones albums since Tattoo You!
Musically, it is indeed a surprising mature track for the Stones.
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And you prove my point with the other examples
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
C
I jumped in my chair when I read that, too, but I've learned through the years here that taste is hard to discuss.
I think many don't like or appreciate the surprising maturity of the track, though.
Lol it's a weak track imo, crucify me all you want!
Surprising maturity?
"Oh, there's twenty-thousand grandmas
Wave their hankies in the air
All burning up their pensions
And shouting, "It's not fair!"
Hmm...ok if you say so.
I'm also surprised that people actually praise the tune Emotional Rescue.
On the other hand, some people can't relate to why I think Crosseyed Heart is better than all Stones albums since Tattoo You!
Musically, it is indeed a surprising mature track for the Stones.
Please don't jump out of your chair, but I respectfully disagree. I originally stated it's my least favorite tune on Beggars- that it's lyrically and musically clunky . Within the context of the album, it sticks out like a sore thumb imo. In comparison to every other original track on BB, it doesn't really fit in to the "puzzle" of the album as a whole. Keiths guitar playing is interesting on it, but nothing really memorable. In certain ways, Jigsaw is like a precursor to Memo From Turner, very similar imo, but that latter tune was more fully realized...or mature. Not every Stones song on their best albums deserve to be worshipped. I remember getting flak for saying Ventilator Blues was filler on Exile! Jump out of you chair over that comment!Quote
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And you prove my point with the other examples
Sorry, what was your point?
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OK it's all good......but out of curiosity, if you HAD to pick a least favorite tune off of Beggars, which would you choose?
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OK it's all good......but out of curiosity, if you HAD to pick a least favorite tune off of Beggars, which would you choose?
Off my favourite Stones album? That's hard, man..
Well, it might be Dear Doctor (but it hurts me to say)...
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
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I remember getting flak for saying Ventilator Blues was filler on Exile! Jump out of you chair over that comment!
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I remember getting flak for saying Ventilator Blues was filler on Exile! Jump out of you chair over that comment!
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ARGH!!! *CRASH* (I just threw my chair through the window)
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I find Street Fighting Man the weakest song on that album
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It seemed the right moment to throw that bomb in the thread.
But you're right that the studio version is not bad, it's somewhat saved by the production, and I like Bill's bass. But I'm glad it's the last song on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out, coming just after the moment when I stop the music.
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It seemed the right moment to throw that bomb in the thread.
But you're right that the studio version is not bad, it's somewhat saved by the production, and I like Bill's bass. But I'm glad it's the last song on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out, coming just after the moment when I stop the music.
I think it's Keith.
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
C
I jumped in my chair when I read that, too, but I've learned through the years here that taste is hard to discuss.
I think many don't like or appreciate the surprising maturity of the track, though.
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liddas
So many interesting things here since the last time I checked the thread.
I'll try to catch up later, as soon as I recover from the shock for reading on a Stones allegedly "fan" site that Jigsaw Puzzle is one of the weakest tracks on Beggars and a clear example of, what?, Jagger still being a novice at songwriting ...
Puzzle is not Beggars' best track only because we have Devil and Street Fighting man on the same album. Yet it remains one of the most brilliant pieces of music ever put on tape by the stones.
And - since this is a Jagger thread - one of Mick's best vocal interpretations ever. You do not even need to understand what he is raving about with the lyrics, he gets across THAT FEEL just right and perfect!
C
I jumped in my chair when I read that, too, but I've learned through the years here that taste is hard to discuss.
I think many don't like or appreciate the surprising maturity of the track, though.
Lol it's a weak track imo, crucify me all you want!
Surprising maturity?
"Oh, there's twenty-thousand grandmas
Wave their hankies in the air
All burning up their pensions
And shouting, "It's not fair!"
Hmm...ok if you say so.
I'm also surprised that people actually praise the tune Emotional Rescue.
On the other hand, some people can't relate to why I think Crosseyed Heart is better than all Stones albums since Tattoo You!
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matxil
It seemed the right moment to throw that bomb in the thread.
But you're right that the studio version is not bad, it's somewhat saved by the production, and I like Bill's bass. But I'm glad it's the last song on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out, coming just after the moment when I stop the music.
I think it's Keith.
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matxil
It seemed the right moment to throw that bomb in the thread.
But you're right that the studio version is not bad, it's somewhat saved by the production, and I like Bill's bass. But I'm glad it's the last song on Get Yer Ya Ya's Out, coming just after the moment when I stop the music.
I think it's Keith.
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Let's not forget that there are tongue in cheek-numbers on Beggars as well
Dear Doctor and Parachute Woman sound like they're coming from a different band that made Jig Saw Puzzle.
The maturity I'm referring to has to do with perfecting the arranging and orchestration they tried out on Buttons and Satanic. The balance between the playfulness and psychedelic trips, the englishness and the american blues is all to be found in JSP, imo.
The lovely mix of Mick's Dylan-personna, Brian's freaky mellotron and Keith's blues guitar is quite unique.
So, I would rather explain it this way than calling the track «artifical». It can be different, somewhat new AND real – for me.
Nevertheness, it's a lovely track
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Funny how you all think JigSaw Puzzle is so different from the other songs. I never thought about it like that. I also don't see the connection between JigSaw and Between the Buttons. For me, it fits in perfectly with the rest, Parachute Woman, Salt of the Earth, Prodigal Song, some more blues, some more country, some more "folk". The Dylan influence is clear on JigSaw Puzzle, especially in the lyrics, but the overall feel is perfect Beggars Banquet: decadent, sexy rock n roll, with the emphasis on roll.
And I like the bass here too (Keith's?, Bill's?, Charlie's?). Actually, coming to think of it, the bass is consistently great on Beggars Banquet.
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Let's not forget that there are tongue in cheek-numbers on Beggars as well
Dear Doctor and Parachute Woman sound like they're coming from a different band that made Jig Saw Puzzle.
The maturity I'm referring to has to do with perfecting the arranging and orchestration they tried out on Buttons and Satanic. The balance between the playfulness and psychedelic trips, the englishness and the american blues is all to be found in JSP, imo.
The lovely mix of Mick's Dylan-personna, Brian's freaky mellotron and Keith's blues guitar is quite unique.
So, I would rather explain it this way than calling the track «artifical». It can be different, somewhat new AND real – for me.
Nevertheness, it's a lovely track
I just want to point out that when I was discussing of its artificality or novicy, I had only the 'bare' song, something Jagger has done by himself, in mind, and not the final recording in the album. What you describe here by maturity I could't agree more.
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Funny how you all think JigSaw Puzzle is so different from the other songs. I never thought about it like that. I also don't see the connection between JigSaw and Between the Buttons. For me, it fits in perfectly with the rest, Parachute Woman, Salt of the Earth, Prodigal Song, some more blues, some more country, some more "folk". The Dylan influence is clear on JigSaw Puzzle, especially in the lyrics, but the overall feel is perfect Beggars Banquet: decadent, sexy rock n roll, with the emphasis on roll.
And I like the bass here too (Keith's?, Bill's?, Charlie's?). Actually, coming to think of it, the bass is consistently great on Beggars Banquet.
Do you hear Brian adding colour to those other songs? I think the aswer lies there..
Who's Been Sleeping Here was what I was referring to on Buttons. That might have been the first Dylan-esque tune they wrote.
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Funny how you all think JigSaw Puzzle is so different from the other songs. I never thought about it like that. I also don't see the connection between JigSaw and Between the Buttons. For me, it fits in perfectly with the rest, Parachute Woman, Salt of the Earth, Prodigal Song, some more blues, some more country, some more "folk". The Dylan influence is clear on JigSaw Puzzle, especially in the lyrics, but the overall feel is perfect Beggars Banquet: decadent, sexy rock n roll, with the emphasis on roll.
And I like the bass here too (Keith's?, Bill's?, Charlie's?). Actually, coming to think of it, the bass is consistently great on Beggars Banquet.
Do you hear Brian adding colour to those other songs? I think the aswer lies there..
Who's Been Sleeping Here was what I was referring to on Buttons. That might have been the first Dylan-esque tune they wrote.
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Let's not forget that there are tongue in cheek-numbers on Beggars as well
Dear Doctor and Parachute Woman sound like they're coming from a different band that made Jig Saw Puzzle.