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Just watched this, interesting, but depressing look at the history of the war in Syria.
Thanks for that bloomer. Although of course I'm still confused who the good guys and the bad guys are and I have to smile because after all that analysis the narrator admits:
"So as it stands now, there are lots of different groups and outside countries involved in Syria's war. And even among allies there are big disagreements about who their enemies are, who to support and how to do it"
And to add to the confusion I've heard there are hundreds of different factions within the rebel groups who all have there own agendas, don't communicate with each other and are often at odds.
And France is going to insert itself into this mess? Yikes.
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Please do not use this thread to discuss domestic politics or religion or other difficult matters that will start another war right here on IORR. The same goes for gun control. Some like to own a gun, or may be twenty, others hate guns. I use a knife to cut my bread, others use a knife to kill.
If there are too many of those kind of political posts here then I have to start deleting, closing, acting like the real old Mr Censorship myself. I trust people are able to post with respect here.
On the personal side, I feel deep sadness for the pain our French friends are suffering right now. Like a young AUF girl said shortly after the terror attack in Norway July 22, 2011 attacks: "If one man can show so much hate, think how much love we could show, standing together."
I posted this in another thread, related to this "Paris" thread:
If there is an offending post then it takes anyone one second to use the "Report this message" link under the actual post. I never delete or moderate based on my own opinion. It always take an external "Report this message" for me to look into a post. Also, FYI, don't report many many posts, just one, two or three, then you will see if I react, or if I ignore it.
So far there has been may be two to four i.e. 2-4 reports from the Paris thread, while there are now close to four hundred posts in it. People are well behaved and reasonable toterate. Some say bomb and kill everyone, well that is the nature of instant affection. Some say blame it all on Obama or Mother Teresa or Ghandi or Bush. Again it is forgiven because it is clearly out of line, to out of line to be wasted time on. But I have deleted 2-4 because they were reported. Also see my comment in that thread.
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The Mez
CNN just reported an hour ago they estimate / guesstimate some 11,000 "jihadists" have infiltrated and are living in France. Insane if true. Peace all MEZ
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And France is going to insert itself into this mess? Yikes.
It's not their choice, the mess inserted itself into France.
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"It is because I am Beat. That is, I believe in beatitude. Who knows, but that the universe is not one vast sea of compassion, actually, the veritable holy honey, beneath all this show of personality and cruelty?"
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latebloomer
Just watched this, interesting, but depressing look at the history of the war in Syria.
Thanks for that bloomer. Although of course I'm still confused who the good guys and the bad guys are and I have to smile because after all that analysis the narrator admits:
"So as it stands now, there are lots of different groups and outside countries involved in Syria's war. And even among allies there are big disagreements about who their enemies are, who to support and how to do it"
And to add to the confusion I've heard there are hundreds of different factions within the rebel groups who all have there own agendas, don't communicate with each other and are often at odds.
And France is going to insert itself into this mess? Yikes.
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jpasc95
beyond the tragedy, I'm very happy that the soccer game between England and France will be played tonight in London.
I was not expecting that much from English people but I want to salute their great support. It is said that they will be singing the Marseillaise during the national anthems.
I've just heard the coach Roy Hugdson speaking in a very good French.
yes go ahead, let's play this game !
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jpasc95
beyond the tragedy, I'm very happy that the soccer game between England and France will be played tonight in London.
I was not expecting that much from English people but I want to salute their great support. It is said that they will be singing the Marseillaise during the national anthems.
I've just heard the coach Roy Hugdson speaking in a very good French.
yes go ahead, let's play this game !
Roy Hodgson was manager at Neuchatel in the French speaking part of Switzerland for a while and then manager of the Swiss National team in the 90's. Cosmopolitan guy.
It's going to be an emotional evening, which I will see later as I'm going to a concert in London tonight. We can't let these people win.
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The Sicilian
I'm kind of beyond the need to have musicians and bands issue statements. Same for the feel good songs. I actually don't care what they think because the message is pretty much the same filtered blather that is, in a lot of cases, put out by publicists. What is the need to have a musician/band issue a statement? None.
I get more relief from people on the ground or general discussions. Even the news media stories change from hour to hour. It has become so unreliable that while watching the events unfold on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC all had reported widely different death and injury totals along with erroneous reports of activity.
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HighwireC
We'll have to find a way to stop this insanity.
But it will be not so simple as some of us like to believe ...
Peace.
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Redhotcarpet
Is that why Gothenburg produces more ISIS terrorists than any other country? The Algerian war? I beg to differ.
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HighwireC
We'll have to find a way to stop this insanity.
But it will be not so simple as some of us like to believe ...
Peace.
HighwireC
Atheisation of muslims. The problem is it has to start from the inside, if it's forced from the outside it will only reinforce their radical beliefs. We can only educate them to try to keep away from religion.
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HighwireC
We'll have to find a way to stop this insanity.
But it will be not so simple as some of us like to believe ...
Peace.
HighwireC
Atheisation of muslims. The problem is it has to start from the inside, if it's forced from the outside it will only reinforce their radical beliefs. We can only educate them to try to keep away from religion.
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The Mez
CNN just reported an hour ago they estimate / guesstimate some 11,000 "jihadists" have infiltrated and are living in France. Insane if true. Peace all MEZ
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Stones50
Please. spare us. Tell that to the Jewish people who are constantly persecuted throughout Europe.For eons.
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HighwireC
We'll have to find a way to stop this insanity.
But it will be not so simple as some of us like to believe ...
Peace.
HighwireC
Atheisation of muslims. The problem is it has to start from the inside, if it's forced from the outside it will only reinforce their radical beliefs. We can only educate them to try to keep away from religion.
That's quite a paradox there franzk, to assert we have to educate them is starting the process from the outside, no? Just another way of saying conversion of belief system, something they seem to take pretty seriously. Not to say education isn't a good thing for all people. I think like most things, moderation and tolerance are the keys and yes from inside Islam.
But like HighwireC says, the solution isn't going to be easy or something gained in the short term here. We have to start looking for more long term solutions or I expect my grandkids will be inheriting this same problem, and their grandkids too. We might gain vengeance through bombing, temporary safety with tighter security, surveillance and immigration but it's totally naive, imo, to think these are effective long term solutions.
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RipThisBone
I am a believer too! I believe in THE ROLLING STONES. Long term enough for me. Glad I don't have kids.
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I am a believer too! I believe in THE ROLLING STONES. Long term enough for me. Glad I don't have kids.
A good education should cure you. LOL I think we're glad you don't too Ripper.