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I read the comments about not liking or missing Bill or Mick Taylor and I am quite astounded. Perhaps these folks should have a separate site for Vegas-era Stones only.
exactly....it's incomprehensible how any true Stones fan does not understand or recognize that MT allowed the band to expand it's musical boundaries and made them a guitar driven, harder rocking band...
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I read the comments about not liking or missing Bill or Mick Taylor and I am quite astounded. Perhaps these folks should have a separate site for Vegas-era Stones only.
exactly....it's incomprehensible how any true Stones fan does not understand or recognize that MT allowed the band to expand it's musical boundaries and made them a guitar driven, harder rocking band...
How did Taylor make the Stones a 'guitar driven' band?
What had been driving the band's sound previously?
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Mick and Keith decided to become a guitar driven, harder rockening band, because this kind of music was in demand. Mick Taylor has almost nothing to do with that, he was never the man to decide which way to go. It´s Mick and Keith and will always be. Any other skillful guitar player could have done what Taylor has done. And Taylor is a blues-based player, not so much a classic rocker imho. So if the Stones turned from Rhytm n Blues to harder Rock, it is hardly Taylor´s influence.
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Mick and Keith decided to become a guitar driven, harder rockening band, because this kind of music was in demand. Mick Taylor has almost nothing to do with that, he was never the man to decide which way to go. It´s Mick and Keith and will always be. Any other skillful guitar player could have done what Taylor has done. And Taylor is a blues-based player, not so much a classic rocker imho. So if the Stones turned from Rhytm n Blues to harder Rock, it is hardly Taylor´s influence.
exactly.
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Doing their own thing back then, following their muses? It´s not that simple, I believe. If you look close, the Stones in some way always delivered what was "in demand"
First Rhythm n Blues, followed by Pop-Songs. Then the psychodelic experiments in answer to the Beatles and Pink Floyd. They became a Rockband, when Rock was in demand. Sure, they developed their own unique style, but always kept an eye open for what was trendy. With Prog-Rock-Bands having success, the stones included long guitar solos in their music. The included funk, when funk was popular.
Then came Punk and the Stones reacted with songs we can find on Some Girls and Emotional Rescue. The included even Disco. If they made their own thing than at least not without being aware of what was going on musically. They always asked what sells best at the moment.
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I think the problem the older fans, like myself, have, is that they didn't replace Bill with a rock bassist. For all his alleged technical proficiency, Darryl Jones plays, with the Stones, like a soulless hired gun. I don't think the Stones themselves really understood how good Bill was. Although I think you'll notice going over albums like Goats Head Soup that Mick seemed to make sure Bill was on most of his songs to give them the highest quality, especially in the melody. (You'll notice now that Mick must not value Darryl's bass playing that much if he's willing to push him aside and play it himself.)
I think Charlie said he didn't miss Bill's playing as much as he missed his sense of humor. And after Bill quit, and he had to go over some parts with Darryl, he realized how clever Bill had been. So don't go overboard on Charlie picking Darryl. Charlie doesn't seem to hear what went on in front of him for three decades.
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Doing their own thing back then, following their muses? It´s not that simple, I believe. If you look close, the Stones in some way always delivered what was "in demand"
First Rhythm n Blues, followed by Pop-Songs. Then the psychodelic experiments in answer to the Beatles and Pink Floyd. They became a Rockband, when Rock was in demand. Sure, they developed their own unique style, but always kept an eye open for what was trendy. With Prog-Rock-Bands having success, the stones included long guitar solos in their music. They included funk, when funk was popular.
Then came Punk and the Stones reacted with songs we can find on Some Girls and Emotional Rescue. They included even Disco. If they made their own thing then at least not without being aware of what was going on musically. They always asked what sells best at the moment.
If they really made their best music with Taylor around, than rather because they reached their creative peak at that point than because of Taylor hanging around. Masterpieces like Sticky Fingers or Exile would exist even if Taylor was never born. Some people said the Stones were washed-up without Brian Jones, but they became more successful AFTER Brian Jones. AND the became even more successful AFTER Mick Taylor. Its mainly Mick and Keith, all other members were/are soldiers, even Charlie is a soldier, just like Bill was a soldier. Anyway, Mick Taylor was not the main reason for the Stones being able to create some of the greatest music in Rock History.
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No parlez vouz francais. Can someone help out here and tell us what the interview says? Thank you. Merci.
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My view is that Mick and Keith should've put Bill into the credits because without Bill there possibly wouldn't be JJF (or it would exist in different form). People say that Bill's not a good song writer and I agree. His solo songs are quite mediocre but I believe every cloud has a silver lining. Mick and Keith must have realised then that they have a great back-to-the-roots song in their hands and Bill had hit the once-in-a-lifetime jackpot. If he had not played that riff that day then Mick and Keith would have probably never had written such a great song. I agree that The Glimmer Twins wrote most of it but they should have showed their gratitude to Bill for inventing such an iconic riff. I put Keef's stories aside because I don't buy everything he says. I trust Bill and I can't see a reason why he would lie about this. It's Keith who tends to stretch the truth
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My view is that Mick and Keith should've put Bill into the credits because without Bill there possibly wouldn't be JJF (or it would exist in different form). People say that Bill's not a good song writer and I agree. His solo songs are quite mediocre but I believe every cloud has a silver lining. Mick and Keith must have realised then that they have a great back-to-the-roots song in their hands and Bill had hit the once-in-a-lifetime jackpot. If he had not played that riff that day then Mick and Keith would have probably never had written such a great song. I agree that The Glimmer Twins wrote most of it but they should have showed their gratitude to Bill for inventing such an iconic riff. I put Keef's stories aside because I don't buy everything he says. I trust Bill and I can't see a reason why he would lie about this. It's Keith who tends to stretch the truth
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Haha. My my. Well Mick and Keith absolutely loved what Bill was playing on keyboards. To them that was something really special. With Brian on guitar and Charlie on drums. Of course it's a great riff. Of course you get credits for stuff like that if that's the deal. That was not the deal within the Rolling Stones. Many of the best riffs in rock are based on just a few notes.
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Does anybody know if and when Stone Alone part two comes? His book.
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Haha. My my. Well Mick and Keith absolutely loved what Bill was playing on keyboards. To them that was something really special. With Brian on guitar and Charlie on drums. Of course it's a great riff. Of course you get credits for stuff like that if that's the deal. That was not the deal within the Rolling Stones. Many of the best riffs in rock are based on just a few notes.
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Haha. My my. Well Mick and Keith absolutely loved what Bill was playing on keyboards. To them that was something really special. With Brian on guitar and Charlie on drums. Of course it's a great riff. Of course you get credits for stuff like that if that's the deal. That was not the deal within the Rolling Stones. Many of the best riffs in rock are based on just a few notes.
Just like that.
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can we all agree that **none** of us forgive bill for leaving the stones but we respect him for doing so?
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can we all agree that **none** of us forgive bill for leaving the stones but we respect him for doing so?
Nothing to forgive.
It would have been to the detriment of everyone had he stayed.
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
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can we all agree that **none** of us forgive bill for leaving the stones but we respect him for doing so?
Nothing to forgive.
It would have been to the detriment of everyone had he stayed.
It may be fortuitous, but for me his departure coincided with the beginning of the band's finest decade as a live act.
i haven't been around for a couple days- did i miss the announcement that today was opposite day?
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It was 37 years ago they recorded their last great tracks.
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HMS
Some people said the Stones were washed-up without Brian Jones, but they became more successful AFTER Brian Jones. AND the became even more successful AFTER Mick Taylor.
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Some people said the Stones were washed-up without Brian Jones, but they became more successful AFTER Brian Jones. AND the became even more successful AFTER Mick Taylor.
On the recent "Warhorses As of 2015" thread there seemed to be a relative consensus that the following could best be described as current "warhorses," i.e., the songs The Stones play at every gig, presumably to keep the arenas and stadia filled:
Satisfaction
Jumpin'Jack Flash
Sympathy For The Devil
Honky Tonk Women
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock 'N Roll
Miss You
Start Me Up
8 of these 13 songs are Taylor-era, 3 are Brian-era, and 2 are Wood-era. By the measure of being able to produce songs they feel they need to play night in and night out, The Stones have become decidedly less successful since the Taylor era.
Admittedly, Taylor had very little to do with many of those "Taylor-era" warhorses.
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Some people said the Stones were washed-up without Brian Jones, but they became more successful AFTER Brian Jones. AND the became even more successful AFTER Mick Taylor.
On the recent "Warhorses As of 2015" thread there seemed to be a relative consensus that the following could best be described as current "warhorses," i.e., the songs The Stones play at every gig, presumably to keep the arenas and stadia filled:
Satisfaction
Jumpin'Jack Flash
Sympathy For The Devil
Honky Tonk Women
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Brown Sugar
Tumbling Dice
Happy
It's Only Rock 'N Roll
Miss You
Start Me Up
8 of these 13 songs are Taylor-era, 3 are Brian-era, and 2 are Wood-era. By the measure of being able to produce songs they feel they need to play night in and night out, The Stones have become decidedly less successful since the Taylor era.
Admittedly, Taylor had very little to do with many of those "Taylor-era" warhorses.
It's really funny how people tend to include Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed in the Mick Taylor era. They should not, as you yourself admit as well. So:
Honky Tonk Women
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
You Can't Always Get What You Want
are actually from the only-Keith transition era. Also, I think the first version of IORR was actually with Ron Wood?
It would make more sense, dividing the songs in "Songs made when Mick and Keith still wrote together" and "The era when they came with their private songs to the studio". If you do that, indeed, you will see that their best work was done together.