i'm wondering about Bliss's comment that Tara was born 'addicted to heroin'..

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I find it very disrespectful to humiliate older people and I hate gossip!

Why are you here then ? ><

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i'm wondering about Bliss's comment that Tara was born 'addicted to heroin'..

Meaning that Anita was using heroin throughout her pregnancy.

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And please, do get to know some adult women, who do not fit your view of every woman having a little girl inside. Some of us are mature, high-functioning human beings.

The concept of the inner child is alive and well among many mature, high functioning and very intelligent and creative people. It is a metaphor for the part of us which is truly alive, energetic, creative and fulfilled. Maybe you are all of these things and unlike Anita have not had any problems with addiction, creative expression, personal relationships and other such things.. If so, you are one of the few. Congratulations. The concept is often used to help heal problems of people who come from dysfunctional families or just to help people understand themselves better and live more healthy fulfilling lives.

Having, knowing, accepting and healing the "inner child" is perfectly compatible with being a mature, functioning human being and many would say is even necessary for us to be our best selves. I hope you can understand the concept of this metaphor even if you don't agree with it, but thanks for the recommendation on my choice of female friends..., if you only knew..

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Naturalust....Is there any chance your real name is Ruth Westheimer ??



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Naturalust....Is there any chance your real name is Ruth Westheimer ??

Lol. No, but we probably both have the same preoccupation with sex.

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OH!!! .. in that case then do you know how to say I want Bang-Bang in Indonesian?



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The language of love is universal mate, but you can always use hand signals....love charades so to speak. If that doesn't work try a few bars of Magadlena .

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It is fair to disparage the "gossip". I admit that I don't know Anita and only know here from what I have read. So I shouldn't judge. Lord knows I have no right to judge anyone. She seems to have "recovered" and done well for herself. So good on her.

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And please, do get to know some adult women, who do not fit your view of every woman having a little girl inside. Some of us are mature, high-functioning human beings.

The concept of the inner child is alive and well among many mature, high functioning and very intelligent and creative people. It is a metaphor for the part of us which is truly alive, energetic, creative and fulfilled. Maybe you are all of these things and unlike Anita have not had any problems with addiction, creative expression, personal relationships and other such things.. If so, you are one of the few. Congratulations. The concept is often used to help heal problems of people who come from dysfunctional families or just to help people understand themselves better and live more healthy fulfilling lives.

Having, knowing, accepting and healing the "inner child" is perfectly compatible with being a mature, functioning human being and many would say is even necessary for us to be our best selves. I hope you can understand the concept of this metaphor even if you don't agree with it, but thanks for the recommendation on my choice of female friends..., if you only knew..

peace

Bravo, very well said , i really respect your view . Anita is truly a survivor of this juggarnut that is the stones . the highways are littered with poor lost souls that thought they could keep up with the glimmers.

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It is fair to disparage the "gossip". I admit that I don't know Anita and only know here from what I have read. So I shouldn't judge. Lord knows I have no right to judge anyone. She seems to have "recovered" and done well for herself. So good on her.

You and me both, whitem8. But, let's all admit it...who doesn't like a bit of juicy gossip now and then? Okay, time to stifle my inner child and go to work.

For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

And here's Bianca

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

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don't know who the second pic is..it doesn't look like Shirley Watts..

Charlie and Shirley..

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

There's one big difference - Anita had no other responsibilities apart from looking after her children, whereas Keith also had his musical career, the band, and financial responsibility for his family. Her neglect of them and the reported squalor in which they lived is less excusable than Keith's part, especially given that there was no shortage of money.

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

There's one big difference - Anita had no other responsibilities apart from looking after her children, whereas Keith also had his musical career, the band, and financial responsibility for his family. Her neglect of them and the reported squalor in which they lived is less excusable than Keith's part, especially given that there was no shortage of money.

As far as I know, she was an actress up till 1976. She didn't have the same safety net as Keith had, when she was by herself.

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

There's one big difference - Anita had no other responsibilities apart from looking after her children, whereas Keith also had his musical career, the band, and financial responsibility for his family. Her neglect of them and the reported squalor in which they lived is less excusable than Keith's part, especially given that there was no shortage of money.

As far as I know, she was an actress up till 1976. She didn't have the same safety net as Keith had, when she was by herself.

No. After Performance (1970), she had one small part in 1976 and after that, nothing til 1998, all small parts. Anita's film roles

Performance (1970)
Umano non umano (1972)
Le berceau de cristal (1976)

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

There's one big difference - Anita had no other responsibilities apart from looking after her children, whereas Keith also had his musical career, the band, and financial responsibility for his family. Her neglect of them and the reported squalor in which they lived is less excusable than Keith's part, especially given that there was no shortage of money.

As far as I know, she was an actress up till 1976. She didn't have the same safety net as Keith had, when she was by herself.

No. After Performance (1970), she had one small part in 1976 and after that, nothing til 1998, all small parts. Anita's film roles

I get what you are saying Bliss, there is really no excuse for her neglect of her children. But, it was a different time and the idea of women having their own careers was still a novelty. Anita has been quoted as saying that Keith did not want her to work and it was very difficult for her when she did because of his disapproval, so eventually she just stopped fighting it.

I wonder if the not wanting her to work was a bit tied up with her film work on Performance ...

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

No better or worse than our boys were, right?

There's one big difference - Anita had no other responsibilities apart from looking after her children, whereas Keith also had his musical career, the band, and financial responsibility for his family. Her neglect of them and the reported squalor in which they lived is less excusable than Keith's part, especially given that there was no shortage of money.

As far as I know, she was an actress up till 1976. She didn't have the same safety net as Keith had, when she was by herself.

No. After Performance (1970), she had one small part in 1976 and after that, nothing til 1998, all small parts. Anita's film roles

I get what you are saying Bliss, there is really no excuse for her neglect of her children. But, it was a different time and the idea of women having their own careers was still a novelty. Anita has been quoted as saying that Keith did not want her to work and it was very difficult for her when she did because of his disapproval, so eventually she just stopped fighting it.

I am not criticising Anita for not working or saying (as others have) that she should be villified for sponging off others. My point is that, given that her only job was to raise her children, her neglect of them, the condition in which they lived, and the things to which they were exposed, are deplorable. AFAIK, the other RS children were well looked-after and properly bought up, including Keith's other two.

didn't Keith have Marlon with him on tour, when Marlon was a child..

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For heaven's sake, there is a big difference between the outmoded 1960's concept of the 'inner child' and saying 'every woman has a little girl inside her'.

Nice attempt at back-pedaling however.

Whatever Anita Palleneberg may be now, there is a lot of evidence to support the idea that in the past she was a destructive, toxic force to those around her. Kudos to her for surviving, but I see no reason to idealise her.

Actually Bliss there is no difference, I was referring to the inner child concept when I suggested every woman has a little girl inside her. Instead of back-pedaling I was trying to move forward and explain the metaphor. The concept was popularized in the late 1980's and continues to be an important tool for people in the healing profession. Far from being outmoded it continues to be used and developed in 2015, very specifically to heal things like destructive behavior and evil deeds, the very things you believe Anita was at one time so capable of.

And I'm not idealizing her by any means, just maybe trying to humanize her a bit. Although I do believe she deserves a lot more respect for overcoming her addictions and other issues, surviving the Rolling Stones helping to raise what has become a a pretty nice nice family from my perspective.

Here is a link to a short, fairly recent article which talks about the inner child, explained better than I could. If you are a parent Bliss, it wouldn't hurt to give it a quick read for your kids sake and if not it's still pretty interesting.

[www.psychologytoday.com]

I suspect most of us will be thoroughly exercising our inner children at the Stones shows, at least in terms of wonder, awe, joy, and playfulness, but thankfully we can also drink some beer!

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Thanks NL, but truly, pop psychology holds zero interest for me.

This may be the dumbest discussion ever..and that's quite an accomplishment.

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This may be the dumbest discussion ever..and that's quite an accomplishment.

can't top the todger discussions...

btw why did you QUIT USING ALL CAPS?