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john lomax wrtote:

(A) "I think all this talk about SMU and Keith's playing is getting totally out of hand.....yes, the intro was messed up, but the rest of the song was fine. The gig was great - there was lots of energy and lots of great interaction and smiles between band members (...) The sound quality at the gig was crystal clear, Mick's singing was fantastic and Keith's plain was brilliant on HTW, Midnight Rambler, All Down the Line, Its only Rock n Roll, Tumbling Dice, just to name a few."

I would name also Gimme Shelter, John. I wathched the clips once again and my opinion has been comfirmed. It got stronger: Yes, Keith was fine. It's incredible how a messed up intro can activate so much musical, medical or phsychological "analysis" (whether it's scarf's "mistake" or not) and so much underestimate as for Keith's overall performance and contribution to the gig.

The Stones are getting older, but they still play well, with lots if energy. Some fans are getting not only older, but also older farts. Nothing wrong with criticism itself, i mean it. I' m just saying that some people are bringing all this "drama" and "eschatology" here, while the occasion is mistakes (botched intros) like those which happened in 2003, 1994-94 or 1981-82. Are now many fans demanding perfection, as they didn't in the past years? I don't think so. Simply, the farts are older now...

( "...The average age of the audience around me would have been around 25 (I am 42). THey were all singing, dancing ad going crazy to the Stones - they clearly loved every second of the show"

That's what happens when the Stones are playing in big venues! Come on guys, don't play only arenas in Europe... Add up some big venues. The atmosphere will be really enthousiastic.

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It was a great show. As has already been stated, there were a huge amount of young people in the audience and this was their first Stones gig. I lost count of the number of times I heard people remarking that this was the best show they had ever experienced. It was a great crowd and a fantastic atmosphere throughout the day. The sound was crystal clear and the band on cracking form. I can't believe the setlist whiners criticising from afar. The setlist was wholly appropriate to the occasion. This was not a crowd of connoisseurs, it probably had more first-timers than any other UK show I've ever seen and they had a ball!

So Keith fluffed a couple of notes? Big deal. Don't think I've ever seen a show in which he he hasn't in nearly forty years of seeing them live. The truth is that he's playing much better than he did on the last tour. He's much more focused, locking in with Charlie rather than mugging at the crowd. And with a sober Ronnie too!

Great to see Mick Taylor on Rambler. Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

Anyway, I had a ball. Being a Scot, I found the heat a problem and didn't risk alcohol until after the gig and it was fun to see them completely sober! A fantastic show and hi to all the fans - old and new - that I met on Saturday and a special thanks to Belld for arranging tix, train, hotel and whisky. Ya Ya Ya.

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It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 70.
If you're on stage you've got to deliver. People paid money to see you.
There won't be any excuses for me if I'm 70 and advising people to buy terrible funds.

If you know you can't do it anymore... Well, you can only do one thing. But that's up to him. As long he thinks he can still do it, I'll go and watch him.

He can still give a decent performance, but it's becoming a rarity I'm afraid.

I think the biggest problem is that he's just so damn lazy and still floats on the thought 'I'm Keith Richards'.

With the excuse that he's 70; it sounds like a freak show.
Look boy, this man is 70 and plays guitar.

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Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

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It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 70.
If you're on stage you've got to deliver. People paid money to see you.
There won't be any excuses for me if I'm 70 and advising people to buy terrible funds.

If you know you can't do it anymore... Well, you can only do one thing. But that's up to him. As long he thinks he can still do it, I'll go and watch him.

He can still give a decent performance, but it's becoming a rarity I'm afraid.

I think the biggest problem is that he's just so damn lazy and still floats on the thought 'I'm Keith Richards'.

With the excuse that he's 70; it sounds like a freak show.
Look boy, this man is 70 and plays guitar.

Well I hope you dont get arthritis! A family friend got it, was a jeweller, made cool silver jewellery, but in the end had to stop cos her hands cannot work properly.

eventualy if it gets worse it spreads to all your body and you cannot dress yourself or leave the house without help.

Keith & me shook hands a few years ago, and his hands are pretty knobbly then! poor guy. I can't imagine anything worse for someone who works with their hands.

there is no cure, no matter how much money you have.

anyway, so lighten up maybe?

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It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 70.
If you're on stage you've got to deliver. People paid money to see you.
There won't be any excuses for me if I'm 70 and advising people to buy terrible funds.

If you know you can't do it anymore... Well, you can only do one thing. But that's up to him. As long he thinks he can still do it, I'll go and watch him.

He can still give a decent performance, but it's becoming a rarity I'm afraid.

I think the biggest problem is that he's just so damn lazy and still floats on the thought 'I'm Keith Richards'.

With the excuse that he's 70; it sounds like a freak show.
Look boy, this man is 70 and plays guitar.

Well I hope you dont get arthritis! A family friend got it, was a jeweller, made cool silver jewellery, but in the end had to stop cos her hands cannot work properly.

eventualy if it gets worse it spreads to all your body and you cannot dress yourself or leave the house without help.

Keith & me shook hands a few years ago, and his hands are pretty knobbly then! poor guy. I can't imagine anything worse for someone who works with their hands.

there is no cure, no matter how much money you have.

anyway, so lighten up maybe?

Why bring that up? I didn't say anything about that.
I don't see that as the main problem Keith has.
It's his timing and his unawareness of what to play.
As I said, probably his laziness.

May I add... I never said Keith is a disgrace on stage (well except for 2007). Not at all. I thought he was great at Glastonbury. And I enjoyed his playing last year at the O2 concerts. He can still do it. But not gig after gig anymore.
I just said that age can't be an excuse to judge someones performance.

I know what arthritis is btw. My mom has it.
It must be terrible.

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Wow, and that's all? I am disappointed, I was expecting something a bit more dramatic. It probably was his scarf, and he fixed it in a few seconds. Not a big deal at all, even when watching it at home.
My favourite Stones f-up of all time is still "She's So Cold, 1982" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPQEbL1IAx8). After all, the only way to see how a watch works is by taking it apart. That, and the smile of Bill Wyman is enough reason to love it.

By the way, thanks to everyone who is taking all the effort to put all these videos onto YouTube. It's the only way for me to listen to these concerts, and I think they are doing great. From the Hyde Park concert, I thought Midnight Rambler and Gimme Shelter sound fantastic.

Cheers.

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It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 70.
If you're on stage you've got to deliver. People paid money to see you.
There won't be any excuses for me if I'm 70 and advising people to buy terrible funds.

If you know you can't do it anymore... Well, you can only do one thing. But that's up to him. As long he thinks he can still do it, I'll go and watch him.

He can still give a decent performance, but it's becoming a rarity I'm afraid.

I think the biggest problem is that he's just so damn lazy and still floats on the thought 'I'm Keith Richards'.

With the excuse that he's 70; it sounds like a freak show.
Look boy, this man is 70 and plays guitar.

Well I hope you dont get arthritis! A family friend got it, was a jeweller, made cool silver jewellery, but in the end had to stop cos her hands cannot work properly.

eventualy if it gets worse it spreads to all your body and you cannot dress yourself or leave the house without help.

Keith & me shook hands a few years ago, and his hands are pretty knobbly then! poor guy. I can't imagine anything worse for someone who works with their hands.

there is no cure, no matter how much money you have.

anyway, so lighten up maybe?

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"Being a Scot, i found the heat problem and i didn't risk alcohol until after the gig"

So, teleblsater, you had to suffer two tortures... Which was the worst?

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In defence of Keith, I've done exactly the same thing at a gig before. I remember plaing an intro in G to what should have been in A and then looking around the rest of the band and thinking WTF, why are they all playing in the wrong key! I then realised it was me and quickly adjusted. We all had a laugh about it afterwards and I had to take a few good humoured jibes afterwards!

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Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

Mick J's been playing a third guitar on a number of tracks for years.

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Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

Mick J's been playing a third guitar on a number of tracks for years.

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Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

Mick J's been playing a third guitar on a number of tracks for years.

Yes, but he's usually barely audible and, besides, he's playing rhythm.


Keith Richards still don't need no rhythm guitarist.

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What is Let it Be as referenced in this advert? Please tell me the film is getting a proper release?

Sadly not. It's a stage show by the looks of the advert.

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What would we do without Scarfgate!

The only reason it's a talking point is cos it was the show's opening riff

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teleblaster
Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

Mick J's been playing a third guitar on a number of tracks for years.

Yes, but he's usually barely audible and, besides, he's playing rhythm.


Keith Richards still don't need no rhythm guitarist.

Jagger has played some traditional rhythm guitar, Keith is not a traditional rhythm player, it's hard to put Keith in some category, there is not really anyone who plays guitar like Keith, there should be a third category for his type of playing.

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john lomax wrtote:

(A) "I think all this talk about SMU and Keith's playing is getting totally out of hand.....yes, the intro was messed up, but the rest of the song was fine. The gig was great - there was lots of energy and lots of great interaction and smiles between band members (...) The sound quality at the gig was crystal clear, Mick's singing was fantastic and Keith's plain was brilliant on HTW, Midnight Rambler, All Down the Line, Its only Rock n Roll, Tumbling Dice, just to name a few."

I would name also Gimme Shelter, John. I wathched the clips once again and my opinion has been comfirmed. It got stronger: Yes, Keith was fine. It's incredible how a messed up intro can activate so much musical, medical or phsychological "analysis" (whether it's scarf's "mistake" or not) and so much underestimate as for Keith's overall performance and contribution to the gig.

The Stones are getting older, but they still play well, with lots if energy. Some fans are getting not only older, but also older farts. Nothing wrong with criticism itself, i mean it. I' m just saying that some people are bringing all this "drama" and "eschatology" here, while the occasion is mistakes (botched intros) like those which happened in 2003, 1994-94 or 1981-82. Are now many fans demanding perfection, as they didn't in the past years? I don't think so. Simply, the farts are older now...

( "...The average age of the audience around me would have been around 25 (I am 42). THey were all singing, dancing ad going crazy to the Stones - they clearly loved every second of the show"

That's what happens when the Stones are playing in big venues! Come on guys, don't play only arenas in Europe... Add up some big venues. The atmosphere will be really enthousiastic.

Yes but it needs to be general admission. As soon as you put seats on the pitch it puts off the vast majority of people under 40.

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BowieStone
It doesn't matter if you're 18 or 70.
If you're on stage you've got to deliver. People paid money to see you.
There won't be any excuses for me if I'm 70 and advising people to buy terrible funds.

If you know you can't do it anymore... Well, you can only do one thing. But that's up to him. As long he thinks he can still do it, I'll go and watch him.

He can still give a decent performance, but it's becoming a rarity I'm afraid.

I think the biggest problem is that he's just so damn lazy and still floats on the thought 'I'm Keith Richards'.

With the excuse that he's 70; it sounds like a freak show.
Look boy, this man is 70 and plays guitar.

Well I hope you dont get arthritis! A family friend got it, was a jeweller, made cool silver jewellery, but in the end had to stop cos her hands cannot work properly.

eventualy if it gets worse it spreads to all your body and you cannot dress yourself or leave the house without help.

Keith & me shook hands a few years ago, and his hands are pretty knobbly then! poor guy. I can't imagine anything worse for someone who works with their hands.

there is no cure, no matter how much money you have.

anyway, so lighten up maybe?

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It wasn't the scarf.
He played the wrong chord (checking it on my guitar now, I have no clue if that can be catogorised as a chord) as someone explained here earlier.

no we have to pretend a scarf muted a guitar chord. thats one heavy duty scarf

If you look closely you see the scarf go back and to the left. Back. And to the left. That is one magic scarf.

Lol......killing me. Best Andrew ever!

Was there a "second scarf?"

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It was a great show. As has already been stated, there were a huge amount of young people in the audience and this was their first Stones gig. I lost count of the number of times I heard people remarking that this was the best show they had ever experienced. It was a great crowd and a fantastic atmosphere throughout the day. The sound was crystal clear and the band on cracking form. I can't believe the setlist whiners criticising from afar. The setlist was wholly appropriate to the occasion. This was not a crowd of connoisseurs, it probably had more first-timers than any other UK show I've ever seen and they had a ball!

So Keith fluffed a couple of notes? Big deal. Don't think I've ever seen a show in which he he hasn't in nearly forty years of seeing them live. The truth is that he's playing much better than he did on the last tour. He's much more focused, locking in with Charlie rather than mugging at the crowd. And with a sober Ronnie too!

Great to see Mick Taylor on Rambler. Am I The only one on this board who's glad he doesn't play on everything? It would just be too messy; the Stones have always been a two guitar band. You can't simply add a third electric no matter who it might be. You can add an acoustic to most tracks like they do in the studio and like Blondie did on previous tours and it works with Taylor on Satisfaction, although this, too, has attracted moaners.

Anyway, I had a ball. Being a Scot, I found the heat a problem and didn't risk alcohol until after the gig and it was fun to see them completely sober! A fantastic show and hi to all the fans - old and new - that I met on Saturday and a special thanks to Belld for arranging tix, train, hotel and whisky. Ya Ya Ya.