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Now you may say anything you want about Mick Taylor.

Let's save it for a Taylor thread...

- Doxa

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I guess this new term "Richardite" is just pseudonym a for "Woodite" or "Woodist". The logic of "Woodism" is that there is no other effective musical force than Richards (and Jagger in lesser degree) in The Rolling Stones, which could have something significant to offer to their music. Ronnie Wood is a perfect Rolling Stone for them, since he doesn't challenge The Big Boys any way, but is their humble servant. "Woodism" does not have directly a substance of its own, but expresses certain blind worship of The Glimmer Twins, and owns a very simple but "official" interpretation of band's music and history. Whereas "Taylorism" and "Brianjonesism" seriously challenge the picture of Richards and Jagger being alone responsible for the greatness of the music of The Rolling Stones. The typical feature of "Woodism" in practise is systematically belittle the contributions and significance of Brian Jones and Mick Taylor in the history of The Rolling Stones. Now and then.

- Doxa

I love it ><



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-16 09:41 by MarkSchneider.

In the last sentence, Doxa, you mistake Taylorites for Woodites.

What about us, who love them all - where do we "belong"?

Seriously, that was as funny back then, as it is now

You didn't mention the Chuck-ites, btw. He is the one challenging them now, after all.

On a musical note: You don't think playing with Ronnie is a challenge in any way?

Love You Live:

Happy
You Gotta Move
You Cant Always Get What You Want
Mannish Boy
Cracking Up
Mannish Boy
Sympathy For The Devil

Atlantic City 1989

Start Me Up
Undercover
Tumbling Dice
Miss You
Terrifying
Rock And a Hard Place
Mixed Emotions

Hampton 1981

Shattered
Neighbors
Black Limo
Imagination
Beast Of Burden
Let It Bleed

LA Friday 1975

If You Cant Rock Me
Gimme Shelter
You Cant Always Get...
Angie
Wild Horses
Rip This Joint
Street Fighting Man
Midnight Rambler
Jummpin Jack Flash

4 Flix / Live Licks

Cant You Hear Me Knocking
Beast Of Burden
Worried About You
Dont Stop
No Expectations
Before They Make Me Run
Hand of Fate

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What about us, who love them all - where do we "belong"?

A conditional (so called) love with regards to one particular guitarist.

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The analysis is not correct in any way, either

Please, do tell.

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The analysis is not correct in any way, either

Please, do tell.

"Please do tell" means Substantiate your assertion. Debunk the analysis.

Show that there is substance to your powderbrain.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-17 23:30 by Deluxtone.

Haven't looked at this for a few days. Did everyone forget the topic here? It's not Who was better: MT or RW. It's not Let's talk about how wonderful Mick Taylor was. It's not Let's bash Woody for being sloppy. Sometimes I wonder why I join certain forums and/or facebook groups. People want to turn whatever topic there is into an excuse to talk about something somewhat related but not really the subject they're supposed to be talking about. I'm glad to see someone a few posts back bothered to actually list what they feel are The Greatest Ron Wood Solos. What an oddball. He's out there standing alone and taking the topic for what it's supposed to be, and BTW, where in the title of the topic does it even remotely imply it's got anything to do with Mick Taylor. OK, I'm done.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-05-17 01:05 by FanOfGRARBITW.

Haven't looked at this for a few days. Did everyone forget the topic here? It's not Who was better: MT or RW. It's not Let's talk about how wonderful Mick Taylor was. It's not Let's bash Woody for being sloppy. Sometimes I wonder why I join certain forums and/or facebook groups. People want to turn whatever topic into an excuse to talk about something somewhat related but not really the subject they're supposed to be talking about. I'm glad to someone a few posts back bothered to actually list what they feel are The Greatest Ron Wood Solos. What an oddball. He out there standing alone and taking the topic for what it's supposed to be, and BTW, where in the title of the topic does it even remotely imply it's got anything to do with Mick Taylor. OK, I'm done.

Why did that post twice?

"Gonna find my way to heaven because I did my time in hell"
- Dan -
Fan of The Greatest Rock and Roll Band in The World

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Why did that post twice?

It's not supposed to happen...you must have some magic.

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Why did that post twice?

It's not supposed to happen...you must have some magic.

I do....Everything I touch turns to shit!

"Gonna find my way to heaven because I did my time in hell"
- Dan -
Fan of The Greatest Rock and Roll Band in The World

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Why did that post twice?

It's not supposed to happen...you must have some magic.

I do....Everything I touch turns to shit!

Well, at least you still have your sense of humor.

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The analysis is not correct in any way, either

Please, do tell.

"Please do tell" means Substantiate your assertion. Debunk the analysis.

Show that there is substance on your powderbrain.

Your tone has lost its sustain. Is this really the best you can do in this thread?

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Your tone has lost its sustain. Is this really the best you can do in this thread?

So, rather than explain where the analysis is awry, you fling a euphemism my way.

I on the other hand submit that any and all of Mick Taylor's solo's will feature a trill, ascending AND descending pull-offs, liberal use of the M2nd to m3rd triplet and a trip around either the major penatonic or m7sus4 scale (that's music parlance for minor pentatonic) ... is likely to include a whole tone bend to the 3rd whilst SIMULTANEOUSLY fretting the 5th, and will, nearly every time, begin and end on the downbeat ...and furthermore, that none of the aforementioned can be disputed or diparaged as 'incorrect analysis'

Thank you.



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Why did that post twice?

It's not supposed to happen...you must have some magic.

I do....Everything I touch turns to shit!

Well, at least you still have your sense of humor.

Without that it would be rough here...

- Doxa

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FanOfGRARBITW
Why did that post twice?

It's not supposed to happen...you must have some magic.

I do....Everything I touch turns to shit!

Well, at least you still have your sense of humor.

Without that it would be rough here...

- Doxa

Well said Doxa!

"Gonna find my way to heaven because I did my time in hell"
- Dan -
Fan of The Greatest Rock and Roll Band in The World

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Your tone has lost its sustain. Is this really the best you can do in this thread?

So, rather than explain where the analysis is awry, you fling a euphemism my way.

I on the other hand submit that any and all of Mick Taylor's solo's will feature a trill, ascending AND descending pull-offs, liberal use of the M2nd to m3rd triplet and a trip around either the major penatonic or m7sus4 scale (that's music parlance for minor pentatonic) and is likely to include a whole tone bend to the 3rd whilst SIMULTANEOUSLY fretting the 5th... and furthermore, that none of the aforementioned can be disputed or diparaged as 'incorrect analysis'

Thank you.

Yes I think you have to explain your denial Dandie. Only stating that an analysis isn't correct just doesn't satisfy any interested reader.

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Your tone has lost its sustain. Is this really the best you can do in this thread?

So, rather than explain where the analysis is awry, you fling a euphemism my way.

I on the other hand submit that any and all of Mick Taylor's solo's will feature a trill, ascending AND descending pull-offs, liberal use of the M2nd to m3rd triplet and a trip around either the major penatonic or m7sus4 scale (that's music parlance for minor pentatonic) and is likely to include a whole tone bend to the 3rd whilst SIMULTANEOUSLY fretting the 5th... and furthermore, that none of the aforementioned can be disputed or diparaged as 'incorrect analysis'

Thank you.

BANG !

Open string pull-offs aren't difficult at all, Tony. Mick Taylor doesn't have profound knowledge about any of the techniques, scales or runs you are describing. Nor is he in any way alone in partly mastering those.

What Mick Taylor indeed knows is parts of scales, a little fragment of pull-off techniques and he has some knowledge about every music style he superficially touches and blends it in his solos. That is also his main strength. That makes him a searching guitarist, and his stuff becomes more interesting.

He knows the blues, some jazz and some other stuff. He is no scholar, professor or schooled musician. He is a self-taught, albeit great, guitar player with great feeling, and with a nice sense for picking parts of different styles in the songs he solos in.

I hope BV removes this post and the other posts from people who obviously can't read, write or comprehend simple posting rules here TO THE APPROPRIATE THREAD.

Did I hear a little Beatle-bug crack over there, btw?

I agree with Doxa's Keith analysis, but no harm intended Dandelion. I think Doxa has a point and I believe it's about the idea of Keith as a solitary genius. I believed that for a long time and gradually had to accept, yes, he may be that, I consider him one, but there were others who contributed - a lot - and Keith was heavily inspired and also copied others - like Cooder.

And to my ears, he found his unique style in 1972 (listen to his ingenious rhythm playing on YCAGWYW)



and developed even more in the mid and late 70s. Like HTW on LYL. That's where the song no longer has Cooder in it, it becomes Keith.

Why not analyze Ronnies style, his solos. I find it very hard to copy solos like his great Brown Sugar solo from Les Abattoirs 1976. Same goes for Shattered Hampton 1981. They shouldnt be hard to play, but they are. Something about timing maybe.

Anybody know how to play Ronnies BS solo note for note? I never get it right.

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The analysis is not correct in any way, either

Please, do tell.

"Please do tell" means Substantiate your assertion. Debunk the analysis.

Show that there is substance on your powderbrain.

Your tone has lost its sustain. Is this really the best you can do in this thread?

"The analysis is not correct in any way either"

Is that the best you could do?

Edit - I see that TonyMo has already taken you to task.

Your with sustained, glowing, rounded and melodious tone,

MT.



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Haven't looked at this for a few days. Did everyone forget the topic here? It's not Who was better: MT or RW. It's not Let's talk about how wonderful Mick Taylor was. It's not Let's bash Woody for being sloppy. Sometimes I wonder why I join certain forums and/or facebook groups. People want to turn whatever topic into an excuse to talk about something somewhat related but not really the subject they're supposed to be talking about. I'm glad to someone a few posts back bothered to actually list what they feel are The Greatest Ron Wood Solos. What an oddball. He out there standing alone and taking the topic for what it's supposed to be, and BTW, where in the title of the topic does it even remotely imply it's got anything to do with Mick Taylor. OK, I'm done.

You missed the opening post before it was edited not to include Taylor comparisons.
i.e. this post unnecessarily (sp?) started life with a swipe at Taylor.
Nevertheless it has had a fairly spicey and not completely predictable life ...

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FanOfGRARBITW
Haven't looked at this for a few days. Did everyone forget the topic here? It's not Who was better: MT or RW. It's not Let's talk about how wonderful Mick Taylor was. It's not Let's bash Woody for being sloppy. Sometimes I wonder why I join certain forums and/or facebook groups. People want to turn whatever topic into an excuse to talk about something somewhat related but not really the subject they're supposed to be talking about. I'm glad to someone a few posts back bothered to actually list what they feel are The Greatest Ron Wood Solos. What an oddball. He out there standing alone and taking the topic for what it's supposed to be, and BTW, where in the title of the topic does it even remotely imply it's got anything to do with Mick Taylor. OK, I'm done.

You missed the opening post before it was edited not to include Taylor comparisons.
i.e. this post unnecessarily (sp?) started life with a swipe at Taylor.
Nevertheless it has had a fairly spicey and not completely predictable life ...

Thank you for clearing things up.

"Gonna find my way to heaven because I did my time in hell"
- Dan -
Fan of The Greatest Rock and Roll Band in The World

After all the unnecessary distractions I think it's time for some good Woody-solos!