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Two mediocre solos. I'm sure both guitarists involved would agree
But one of those "mediocre solos" is a pearl compared to the real mediocre one.
Mediocre?? What are you smoking?
This solo is genius exemplified. After stating the opening theme from the Sticky Fingers version with a subtle and clever variation, Mick Taylor invents a stunningly unexpected and mind blowing minor third trill at :49 that is off the graph (it will influence a generation of rock guitarists should they hear it, that cannot be denied)... and what follows that?? ...roughly thirty seconds of awe. Note the delicacy of the descension employing the uber difficult 'pull-off' technique (1:03 to 1:07). It makes me say to myself 'YES!...only the man who played the solo on Time Waits For No One could do that!...again.
This passage is followed by another Mick Taylor signature move; the deceptively simple sounding triplets (1:07 to 1:12) One wishes to hear more of this innovative passage but Mick Taylor is only getting started. The next fifteen seconds take the solo to another creative high (like discovering an unexpected pastoral glen on your way to the summit of the mountain) as Mick Taylor takes advantage of the seldom used guitaristic technique of playing fretted notes in conjunction with open strings in the 'solo' setting. You can literally smell the fertile wheatgrass and red cedar. What will Mick Taylor think of next?
Well, the next fifteen or so seconds is yet another clever nod to the album version that ends somewhere around the D note at 1:46. Unfortunately it's at this point that the band starts to occasionally drop time (doubtless they are now paying more attention to the majesty of what they're hearing rather than concentrate on keeping rhythm- which I blame Daryl Jones for...after all, he hasn't heard this kind of soloing since he played with Miles Davis). 1:48 to 1:50 is indicative of this as Mick Taylor plays a few very melodic bended phrases as the band noticeably slows down.
Mick Taylor is a master of constructing a solo and in the next fifteen or so seconds, rather than heading for the 'summit '(if I may speak euphemistically)
he leads the team slightly back DOWN the mountain! Realizing the band has faltered he uses the next twenty five seconds (1:50 to 2:28) to allow Daryl Jones the chance to regain his footing by playing just enough to assure the latter that he's not in over his head. Daryl Jones was probably thinking to himself, 'that sounds really ordinary..okay, I can hang with Mick Taylor, all I have to do is concentrate!'). But then, at around 2:30, Mick Taylor explodes off the fretboard with a flurry of unparalleled lyricism (those descending pull-offs are sublime!) and a sustained climax (2:38 to 3:00) featuring the C and Ab/A notes in tandem. The aforementioned bend for most of twenty-two glorious seconds! Two words...GUITAR HEAVEN! Look at Keith Richards jealously roll his eyes at 2:53-ish. Envy.
Mick Taylor shows us his jazz chops from 3:00 to 3:06 (the path from the A note to the C -3:04- has John Coltrane written all over it) and he starts the band up the mountain again (3:07 to 3:14) with his revolutionary use of a C to D bend on the B string whilst simultaneously fretting the D on the E string. Seven seconds that seem an eternity yet pass by in a wink...my God! Mick Taylor then unleashes a torrent of triplet infused blues burn (he is a master of the pentatonic scale after all), gives another couple examples of the jazz minor scale...all of which resolves into a brilliant beautifully executed F-triplet(D-C-A), F- triplet, F- triplet, F-triplet, F-triplet..etc. F-triplet, F-triplet (3:25-3:34) so, so forth. The loopy Ron Wood could never do anything so learned.
From 3:35 to 3:40 Mick Taylor looks around as if to say, 'boys, I'm taking us home! ...and from 3:40 to 4:02 he carries the whole band to the summit with those scorching bends infused with rhythmic articulations worthy of Earl Palmer. Again the band seems to falter rhythmically as they are probably not used to 'playing with time' like someone who is as brilliant with rhythm as Mick Taylor is.
I'm of the belief that The Stones need to fire Daryl Jones, move Ron Wood to bass and unplug Keth's guitar and let Mick Taylor handle all the guitar work. The sooner the better.
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They have to be judged within their own standards, like I wrote earlier. This is about aquired taste, not a contest. It's the Taylorites who want to make it a contest - in a Ronnie thread. Even now, when we have a Taylor-thread, you keep on comparing. It's this behaviour that is moronic, not mine. Has it crossed your minds that maybe 50 percent of the fans prefer Ronnie?
Take it to the other thread, please.
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They have to be judged within their own standards, like I wrote earlier. This is about aquired taste, not a contest. It's the Taylorites who want to make it a contest - in a Ronnie thread. Even now, when we have a Taylor-thread, you keep on comparing. It's this behaviour that is moronic, not mine. Has it crossed your minds that maybe 50 percent of the fans prefer Ronnie?
Take it to the other thread, please.
Great argument, even decisive.
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They have to be judged within their own standards, like I wrote earlier. This is about aquired taste, not a contest. It's the Taylorites who want to make it a contest - in a Ronnie thread. Even now, when we have a Taylor-thread, you keep on comparing. It's this behaviour that is moronic, not mine. Has it crossed your minds that maybe 50 percent of the fans prefer Ronnie?
Take it to the other thread, please.
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They have to be judged within their own standards, like I wrote earlier. This is about aquired taste, not a contest. It's the Taylorites who want to make it a contest - in a Ronnie thread. Even now, when we have a Taylor-thread, you keep on comparing. It's this behaviour that is moronic, not mine. Has it crossed your minds that maybe 50 percent of the fans prefer Ronnie?
Take it to the other thread, please.
What percentage of non-fans prefer Ronnie? I think that is the bigger question.
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They have to be judged within their own standards, like I wrote earlier. This is about aquired taste, not a contest. It's the Taylorites who want to make it a contest - in a Ronnie thread. Even now, when we have a Taylor-thread, you keep on comparing. It's this behaviour that is moronic, not mine. Has it crossed your minds that maybe 50 percent of the fans prefer Ronnie?
Take it to the other thread, please.
What percentage of non-fans prefer Ronnie? I think that is the bigger question.
Exactly! That's why the Taylorites' posts are so damaging...
Imagine how many who potentially could be converted from non-fandom
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They have to be judged within their own standards, like I wrote earlier. This is about aquired taste, not a contest. It's the Taylorites who want to make it a contest - in a Ronnie thread. Even now, when we have a Taylor-thread, you keep on comparing. It's this behaviour that is moronic, not mine. Has it crossed your minds that maybe 50 percent of the fans prefer Ronnie?
Take it to the other thread, please.
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Mediocre?? What are you smoking?
This solo is genius exemplified. After stating the opening theme from the Sticky Fingers version with a subtle and clever variation, Mick Taylor invents a stunningly unexpected and mind blowing minor third trill at :49 that is off the graph...................
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Mediocre?? What are you smoking?
This solo is genius exemplified. After stating the opening theme from the Sticky Fingers version with a subtle and clever variation, Mick Taylor invents a stunningly unexpected and mind blowing minor third trill at :49 that is off the graph...................
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No offense, but to me, this kind of analysis takes all the pleasure out of the solo.
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Two mediocre solos. I'm sure both guitarists involved would agree
But one of those "mediocre solos" is a pearl compared to the real mediocre one.
Of course, you are right. One doesn't need to understand much of music to see the difference in there. The difference in pure musicality, musical imagination, feeling, touch, technics, the ability to carry a band, and improvisation... That has nothing to do with personal taste, of how it moves one... I like Ronnie, and his stuff there, but jeez.... some perspect in subjectivity, people.. I do understand that Dandie is world's biggest Ronnie Wood fan, and doesn't much appreciate Mick Taylor, but c'mon...
- Doxa
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Thanks, Stoneburst. I have never seen that footage, and "Seven Days" is one of my favourite songs! Nice to hear a 'proper' singer singing it for a chance (sorry Bob & Ronnie...) And what a band!
But Ronnie... Eric gives him room, winks that now is time to do your solo thing, but Ronnie... freezes totally.><
But aside - or due to - that, the guys are having fun, and that is what matters.
- Doxa
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<I do understand that Dandie is world's biggest Ronnie Wood fan, and doesn't much appreciate Mick Taylor, but c'mon...>
LOL! You should join our newspaper - or wait, join a more tabloid one!
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<I do understand that Dandie is world's biggest Ronnie Wood fan, and doesn't much appreciate Mick Taylor, but c'mon...>
LOL! You should join our newspaper - or wait, join a more tabloid one!
Dandie is in the first place a Keith man. All those who serve Keith are his favourites, thus also Ronnie a lot. Taylor is of course his last 'favourite' (ex)Stone. It says all.
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<I do understand that Dandie is world's biggest Ronnie Wood fan, and doesn't much appreciate Mick Taylor, but c'mon...>
LOL! You should join our newspaper - or wait, join a more tabloid one!
Dandie is in the first place a Keith man. All those who serve Keith are his favourites, thus also Ronnie a lot. Taylor is of course his last 'favourite' (ex)Stone. It says all.
All of them are my favourites, but my call is to keep things within proportions. The Stones have never been Mick Taylor's backing group - an impression one easily gets by reading your posts, kleerie
But you're right about Keith. No Keith, no Stones.
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<I do understand that Dandie is world's biggest Ronnie Wood fan, and doesn't much appreciate Mick Taylor, but c'mon...>
LOL! You should join our newspaper - or wait, join a more tabloid one!
Dandie is in the first place a Keith man. All those who serve Keith are his favourites, thus also Ronnie a lot. Taylor is of course his last 'favourite' (ex)Stone. It says all.
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Strange impression? Who said "Mick Taylor and his Rolling Stones"?
Your obsession with Mick Taylor is unhealthy, try Ron Wood
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<I do understand that Dandie is world's biggest Ronnie Wood fan, and doesn't much appreciate Mick Taylor, but c'mon...>
LOL! You should join our newspaper - or wait, join a more tabloid one!
Dandie is in the first place a Keith man. All those who serve Keith are his favourites, thus also Ronnie a lot. Taylor is of course his last 'favourite' (ex)Stone. It says all.
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Well, this reminds me a tongue-in-cheek profile of "Woodite" I did a year ago here, pretty much having certain certain strong writers here in my mind... I trust the sense of humour of Dandie, Mathijs and other respected contributors here to copypaste it here:
I guess this new term "Richardite" is just pseudonym a for "Woodite" or "Woodist". The logic of "Woodism" is that there is no other effective musical force than Richards (and Jagger in lesser degree) in The Rolling Stones, which could have something significant to offer to their music. Ronnie Wood is a perfect Rolling Stone for them, since he doesn't challenge The Big Boys any way, but is their humble servant. "Woodism" does not have directly a substance of its own, but expresses certain blind worship of The Glimmer Twins, and owns a very simple but "official" interpretation of band's music and history. Whereas "Taylorism" and "Brianjonesism" seriously challenge the picture of Richards and Jagger being alone responsible for the greatness of the music of The Rolling Stones. The typical feature of "Woodism" in practise is systematically belittle the contributions and significance of Brian Jones and Mick Taylor in the history of The Rolling Stones. Now and then.
A pure tabloid stuff, no?><
But I have an idea to illustrate "Taylorite" in such terms as well (Dandie gave a good hint for that), so laugh while you can Kleerie... But there are other interesting profiles to construct as well, such as "Anti-Vegasism"... We Stones fans are a funny bunch of people...
- Doxa