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The main acoustic riff strikes me as being the work of pretty much a guitar novice. It's really easy to play and reminds me of the kind guitar noodling absolute beginners come up with as they find their way around the fretboard.
Thats why I never bothered to listen before. Love the song but the intro is a typical beginner noodlings
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Silver Dagger
The main acoustic riff strikes me as being the work of pretty much a guitar novice. It's really easy to play and reminds me of the kind guitar noodling absolute beginners come up with as they find their way around the fretboard.
Thats why I never bothered to listen before. Love the song but the intro is a typical beginner noodlings
All part of it's charm.
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too spacey and ethereal...where's the backbeat? where's keith's chugging guitar and mick's wailing harp????
Unfortunately they had already used that up on the previous album, on Midnight Rambler.
that's the problem when you let the tape keep running...if rambler were short and sweet at 3 minutes, moonlight mile coulda been saved....
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The main acoustic riff strikes me as being the work of pretty much a guitar novice. It's really easy to play and reminds me of the kind guitar noodling absolute beginners come up with as they find their way around the fretboard.
Thats why I never bothered to listen before. Love the song but the intro is a typical beginner noodlings
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Just because the opening guitar part is not technically difficult to play does mean it is not beautiful, or even brilliant. I think the drone strings in the riff are musically interesting. Keith's open G guitar riffs for Brown Sugar, Tumbling Dice, et al are not technically difficult to play either, but someone has to create these things before anyone can play them. Therein lies the true value of the great Stones guitar parts. The fact that people continue to confuse technical virtuosity with creativity after all this time is quite amazing to me.
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Just did a search and there seems to be many consistent references to MM starting out as an accoustic demo by Keith Richards and then Taylor worked it up from there. No one argued that point for many years. What I'd like to know is if anyone heard demo? I don'ti think any one believes this was all Mick Jagger.
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Just did a search and there seems to be many consistent references to MM starting out as an accoustic demo by Keith Richards and then Taylor worked it up from there. No one argued that point for many years. What I'd like to know is if anyone heard demo? I don'ti think any one believes this was all Mick Jagger.
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- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
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- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
If its on wikipedia than you know at least half is wrong.
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DandelionPowderman
- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
If its on wikipedia than you know at least half is wrong.
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- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
If its on wikipedia than you know at least half is wrong.
Mathijs
Really? Not sure I agree with you there Mathijis. Like it or not, Wikpedia exhaustively, and impressively researches its entries, and provide adequate footnotes. The entry for Moonlight Mile has two footnotes quoting other sources. I often use Wiki for medical research and track down the footnotes and primary sources, and it is very accurate.
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The trouble with Stones research is that the sources quote each other so much
that seemingly well-sourced statements turn out all to be based on some single remark
that may well have been confused, misremembered, misinterpreted, misheard or whatever.
I recall reading an interview where Bill said that Moonlight Mile started off as "Keith's Japanese Thing",
but the jumble of contradictory statements that Mathijs quoted from [www.timeisonourside.com]
is pretty clear evidence that at this point we can find firsthand eyewitness accounts
in support of whatever we want to believe about the track.
Which is gorgeous in any case.
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Hello.
The last 5 seconds are my favourite ending to any album ever.
Declan.
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- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
If its on wikipedia than you know at least half is wrong.
Mathijs
Really? Not sure I agree with you there Mathijis. Like it or not, Wikpedia exhaustively, and impressively researches its entries, and provide adequate footnotes. The entry for Moonlight Mile has two footnotes quoting other sources. I often use Wiki for medical research and track down the footnotes and primary sources, and it is very accurate.
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- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
If its on wikipedia than you know at least half is wrong.
Mathijs
How long did this Japanese thing take, 5 odd major pentatonic tones he finally discovered having an oriental origin? Is it recorded, can I hear it, can Keith remember anything at all ? It's basically Keith who bashes Mick T on his lack of skills and imput. One thing is for sure, Keith didn't play a single note on it, and still it is one of the greatest tunes the Stones ever recorded. It's the singer, not the song.
Really? Not sure I agree with you there Mathijis. Like it or not, Wikpedia exhaustively, and impressively researches its entries, and provide adequate footnotes. The entry for Moonlight Mile has two footnotes quoting other sources. I often use Wiki for medical research and track down the footnotes and primary sources, and it is very accurate.
I disagree. On the subjects I have a little knowledge, professionally or as a hobby, I notice many mistakes many times. The references quoted can be misleading, or downright wrong, even though they are considered trustworthy references. There are so many books written about the Stones by people who don't have a clue, and these books are used as references.
Take this Moonlight Mile entry: as a reference a review by Bill Janovitz is given. He states is 'facts' in a 'reportedly' way -and can be be 100% correct, completely incorrect, or anything in between. Janovitz does not give his references.
Many references use James Karnbach's book as reference, while we all know its full of mistakes. The article on Brian Jones uses many references from tabloid books, only written to prove he was a gift from god and murdered by Jagger personally. Then, the Brian Jones entry is written and edited by these so-called hardcore fans of the Stones, who truly believe he wrote all songs for the Stones.
Mick Taylor's entry has stated on many occasions he wrote a lot of songs, and any reference to his drug use was edited out by people close to him (hi!). It wasn't until the Crossfire Hurricane film, where Taylor stated himself heroin was part of the problem, that the drug reference wasn't edited out.
Concerning MM: I never trust these new statements. Taylor has a tendency to embellish his own actions and influence, Jagger pretends he can't remember, and Richards doesn't remember. I trust vintage interviews most, and from old remarks it seems it is a pure Jagger song, with the outro based on a piece Richards wrote.
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- Recording began in March 1970 at Stargroves. The song was the product of an all-night session between Jagger and guitarist Mick Taylor. Taylor had taken a short guitar piece recorded by Richards (entitled "Japanese Thing" ) and reworked it for the session. Jagger performs the song's prominent acoustic guitar riff. It was Taylor's idea to add a string arrangement by Paul Buckmaster to the song.
[en.wikipedia.org]
If its on wikipedia than you know at least half is wrong.
Mathijs
How long did this Japanese thing take, 5 odd major pentatonic tones he finally discovered having an oriental origin? Is it recorded, can I hear it, can Keith remember anything at all ? It's basically Keith who bashes Mick T on his lack of skills and imput. One thing is for sure, Keith didn't play a single note on it, and still it is one of the greatest tunes the Stones ever recorded. It's the singer, not the song.
Really? Not sure I agree with you there Mathijis. Like it or not, Wikpedia exhaustively, and impressively researches its entries, and provide adequate footnotes. The entry for Moonlight Mile has two footnotes quoting other sources. I often use Wiki for medical research and track down the footnotes and primary sources, and it is very accurate.
I disagree. On the subjects I have a little knowledge, professionally or as a hobby, I notice many mistakes many times. The references quoted can be misleading, or downright wrong, even though they are considered trustworthy references. There are so many books written about the Stones by people who don't have a clue, and these books are used as references.
Take this Moonlight Mile entry: as a reference a review by Bill Janovitz is given. He states is 'facts' in a 'reportedly' way -and can be be 100% correct, completely incorrect, or anything in between. Janovitz does not give his references.
Many references use James Karnbach's book as reference, while we all know its full of mistakes. The article on Brian Jones uses many references from tabloid books, only written to prove he was a gift from god and murdered by Jagger personally. Then, the Brian Jones entry is written and edited by these so-called hardcore fans of the Stones, who truly believe he wrote all songs for the Stones.
Mick Taylor's entry has stated on many occasions he wrote a lot of songs, and any reference to his drug use was edited out by people close to him (hi!). It wasn't until the Crossfire Hurricane film, where Taylor stated himself heroin was part of the problem, that the drug reference wasn't edited out.
Concerning MM: I never trust these new statements. Taylor has a tendency to embellish his own actions and influence, Jagger pretends he can't remember, and Richards doesn't remember. I trust vintage interviews most, and from old remarks it seems it is a pure Jagger song, with the outro based on a piece Richards wrote.
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How long did this Japanese thing take, 5 odd major pentatonic tones Keith finally discovered with having an oriental origin ? Is it recorded, can I hear it, can Keith remember anything at all ? It's basically Keith who bashes Mick T on his lack of imput, just like he bashes Jagger or Wood about other things. One thing is for sure, Keith didn't play a single note on it, and still it is one of the greatest tunes the Stones ever recorded. Get over it, all you Keith puppets. Jagger was the man here. It's the singer, not the song.
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I don't think it's meant to be nasty, it is my temperament.
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I don't think it's meant to be nasty, it is my temperament.
OK, well I won't comment on your temperament... I just get tired of comments that seem to be aimed at deliberately stirring up trouble where there is none. But, perhaps I just need another cup of coffee.