Beautiful track, let's hope they play it in Japan next year. Taylor on slide.

Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

Like Taylor have said as well... Anyway, I have lost the track along the thread who wrote and what...

- Doxa

Keith is said to have "written" the orchestra parts at the very end, not the "stabby" guitar riffs.

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Keith is said to have "written" the orchestra parts at the very end, not the "stabby" guitar riffs.

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

Like Taylor have said as well... Anyway, I have lost the track along the thread who wrote and what...

- Doxa

"At least it was my decision to have strings on it" - that's how he corrected his own statement

You Taylorites never give up, do you? I praise the man, I praise the song and I'm just quoting Keith here. Why so jumpy?

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

Like Taylor have said as well... Anyway, I have lost the track along the thread who wrote and what...

- Doxa

"At least it was my decision to have strings on it" - that's how he corrected his own statement

You Taylorites never give up, do you? I praise the man, I praise the song and I'm just quoting Keith here. Why so jumpy?

The question is whether he corrected a wrong statement or changed a wrong statement into another wrong one. I'm afraid the latter is the case. But I do understand Keith, having credits for a song you didn't contribute to isn't easy, psychologically.

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

Like Taylor have said as well... Anyway, I have lost the track along the thread who wrote and what...

- Doxa

"At least it was my decision to have strings on it" - that's how he corrected his own statement

You Taylorites never give up, do you? I praise the man, I praise the song and I'm just quoting Keith here. Why so jumpy?

The question is whether he corrected a wrong statement or changed a wrong statement into another wrong one. I'm afraid the latter is the case. But I do understand Keith, having credits for a song you didn't contribute to isn't easy, psychologically.

How do you know he didn't contribute to the most important thing; writing it?

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

Like Taylor have said as well... Anyway, I have lost the track along the thread who wrote and what...


- Doxa

"At least it was my decision to have strings on it" - that's how he corrected his own statement

You Taylorites never give up, do you? I praise the man, I praise the song and I'm just quoting Keith here. Why so jumpy?

And I was also only referring to the quote by Taylor, and that makes me a "Taylorite" and "jumpy"...

But since you got me back to this shit again, tell me why it is so important for you to "prove" that Taylor had no hand in writing "Moonlight Mile". You seem to be certain of that, but where that certainty derives from? Some sort of privileged access by intuition to the creative processes of the guys? Does that shake your own account of The Rolling Stones, or what?

From the base you've written in this thread I can see you are trying to argue for two different claims:
(a) Mick Taylor did not contribute to the song writing anyhow.
(b) Keith Richards did wrote that certain part of the song.

Both claims might be true, but I am amazed why you are so certain about their truth. From the base of evidence we have, I am not.

- Doxa



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"At least it was my decision to have strings on it" - that's how he corrected his own statement

You Taylorites never give up, do you? I praise the man, I praise the song and I'm just quoting Keith here. Why so jumpy?

The question is whether he corrected a wrong statement or changed a wrong statement into another wrong one. I'm afraid the latter is the case. But I do understand Keith, having credits for a song you didn't contribute to isn't easy, psychologically.

Yep, Taylor have also said, in other occassion, that it was Jagger's idea to have the strings on it... pretty hard to make sense of his claims...

But as far that well-known Richards quote from 1971 goes, I doubt that Keith had any psychological issues there, because their deal with Jagger was already known fact by then; like Lennon and McCartney, they were known to write song's without partners involvement. The way I interpret Keith's saying there is that of genuine and surprised observation - damn, there actually is something familiar in the song, no matter that he was so "out of it" and having nothing to do with recording, or, like he thought, writing the song. I don't take that to be any claim of like 'look, my name in credition is thereby justified'. But seemingly for some people - you Kleerie and Dandie seem to agree here, even though for different reasons - the latter seems to be the whole point. I doubt mr. Richards sees the case like that. It is also doubtful if Keith sees that contribution being enough for a song-writing credit (he doesn't speak anything of credition). Well, he is in a position he doesn't need to worry things like that (since he gets the credition anyhow), but let's speculate if he would have recognized someone else - not him or Jagger - doing that, would that been enough to gain a credit in a Jagger/Richards original? Open questions...

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How do you know he didn't contribute to the most important thing; writing it?

How do you know Taylor didn't?

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Please pardon me if this was discussed earlier in this (long) thread, but who is that guitar doing the rhythmic stabs at the end of the song if it's not Keith? Sure sounds like Keith.

Taylor, but Keith has sad that he wrote that part.

Like Taylor have said as well... Anyway, I have lost the track along the thread who wrote and what...


- Doxa

"At least it was my decision to have strings on it" - that's how he corrected his own statement

You Taylorites never give up, do you? I praise the man, I praise the song and I'm just quoting Keith here. Why so jumpy?

And I was also only referring to the quote by Taylor, and that makes me a "Taylorite" and "jumpy"...

But since you got me back to this shit again, tell me why it is so important for you to "prove" that Taylor had no hand in writing "Moonlight Mile". You seem to be certain of that, but where that certainty derives from? Some sort of privileged access by intuition to the creative processes of the guys? Does that shake your own account of The Rolling Stones, or what?

From the base you've written in this thread I can see you are trying to argue for two different claims:
(a) Mick Taylor did not contribute to the song writing anyhow.
(b) Keith Richards did wrote that certain part of the song.

Both claims might be true, but I am amazed why you are so certain about their truth. From the base of evidence we have, I am not.

- Doxa

I never said I was certain, hence I'm baffled by this ongoing saga.

It is kinda weird that some people think you can't have written something, only because you weren't there when it was recorded, though...

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How do you know he didn't contribute to the most important thing; writing it?

How do you know Taylor didn't?

I don't. The only thing I know is that Taylor said it was a Jagger song

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The only thing I know is that Taylor said it was a Jagger song

But do you take that mean that everything ever written in that song comes comes from Mick Jagger and from no one else, including the riff Keith Richards vaguesly remeber having written?

- Doxa



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Who played the intro on moonlight mile, was that Jagger?

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Who played the intro on moonlight mile, was that Jagger?

Yes.

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The only thing I know is that Taylor said it was a Jagger song

But do you take that mean that everything ever written in that song comes comes from Mick Jagger and from no one else, including the riff Keith Richards vaguesly remeber having written?

- Doxa

Most likely everything that was written was written by Jagger, perhaps with some arrangement exceptions. They might have used Keith's little part as well.

Taylor's contribution is brilliant, but not necessarily something you would "write" per se - more like something a great improviser would add - someone with a very musical mind.

I don't know why this view is so controversial for you. For me, it is common sense, very much in line with how the Stones have worked - before and after MM...

this is one of those 3am blue ridge el camino songs.

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this is one of those 3am blue ridge el camino songs.

Don't know what this means, but I love how it reads.

Most beautiful song the Glimmer Twins ever wrote, even though one hardly contributed to this track. Easily one of my top five favorite tracks of the Stones.

Thanks for posting the track talk thread on this beautiful song.

I think the Stones lost lot's more than just a producer when they lost Jimmy Millar.

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Who played the intro on moonlight mile, was that Jagger?

Yes.

He also did the vocals, wrote the lyrics(?). Its melody is inspired on the intro guitar. I assume it's a Jagger song then -- basically.

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The only thing I know is that Taylor said it was a Jagger song

But do you take that mean that everything ever written in that song comes comes from Mick Jagger and from no one else, including the riff Keith Richards vaguesly remeber having written?

- Doxa

Most likely everything that was written was written by Jagger, perhaps with some arrangement exceptions. They might have used Keith's little part as well.

Taylor's contribution is brilliant, but not necessarily something you would "write" per se - more like something a great improviser would add - someone with a very musical mind.

I don't know why this view is so controversial for you. For me, it is common sense, very much in line with how the Stones have worked - before and after MM...

It was much easier to follow who wrotes what in The Beatles as they simply sang the songs they had been written...I Think Mick wrote much more of Stones Music then we can ever guess...

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He also did the vocals, wrote the lyrics(?). Its melody is inspired on the intro guitar. I assume it's a Jagger song then -- basically.

yup.

Fantastic thread...within lies a true whodunnit mystery

It would be great to find the tape with the KR riff in question and compare it to what was finally recorded. Any chance of that ever emerging?

I always understood MT wrote the riff on which the strings were based. In interviews he seems very clear about that and it's a pretty bold assertion. If this was the KR "japanesey" riff in question, it hardly seems like something on which to base the melody of this song... It does not sound Japanesey at all to me anyway (it seems very KR actually)... Perhaps I missed something but was there another riff KR might have contributed? Other than that it seems that MJ formulated it for MT in that train ride. (Shades of Agatha Christie -- we need Hercule Poirot.)

I am not a musician so the research you've provided is really enlightening, in deciphering the song.

From purely a feeling pov, I love just before the end that quite, impressionistic mingling of guitars and piano notes which seem like moonbeams on water, lapping at the shore -- just sublime.

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He also did the vocals, wrote the lyrics(?). Its melody is inspired on the intro guitar. I assume it's a Jagger song then -- basically.

yup.

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