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If someone had gotten up from the audience with a saw and started cutting off one of the legs on the stool, it probably would've sounded better.
Not to mention the added benefit of being even easier to google...
You are right. I think the studio work is the only possibility to get something new from the band after seeing this video.
I still think Keith deserves a break here. This was a very impromptu thing, being handed a guitar he was not used to and playing something on the spur of the moment with little or no preperation.
Doens't matter. This song isn't the typical Chuck Berry tune. The changes and turnarounds are quicker and can easily throw off any player who's used to the typical 12 bar changes (I know it did with me when I played it a year ago with a couple people). This unfamiliarity eliminates Keith playing any effective rhythm. This leaves just the leads.
The lead work is shotty, yes, but that's because Keith is desperate to find a groove. Playing an "acoustic" version of a Chuck Berry song is no easy task without a rhythm section under you. Keith is overcompensating for the missing sound by going all over the fretboard, unfortunately, it's a bunch of cluttered notes everywhere. I know how Keith plays, and when I hear him on this clip, I hear a nervous, unprepared, excited dude who wants to play his heart out. But all this BS that he can't play anymore? Doubt it.
Not sure why I went out of my way to explain this when you'll probably just say "Who cares?! he still sucks!"
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-05 20:41 by GumbootCloggeroo.
I agree
Woopss, this is really bad!!
I think you nailed it with the "nervous, excited...wants to play his heart out". That's exactly what I see. he's trying to follow the chords and gets lost in the wrong key at one point, but finds his way back. After a slow start he turns it on at the end, like a veteran boxer finding that extra flicker of energy at the end of a round.
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Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
tomcat2006
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Date: April 5, 2012 15:57
Ouch!
That's it. No tour. They can't cover that up even with the back-up.
That's it. No tour. They can't cover that up even with the back-up.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
ROPENI
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Date: April 5, 2012 15:59
This can be no good,pitiful,and the people in the background seem to be totally uninterested.. Sad to watch..
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
GOO
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Date: April 5, 2012 16:53
Maybe he needs mick
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
windmelody
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Date: April 5, 2012 16:59
KR cannot play anymore and I wonder how one can imagine him playing a concert these days.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
SweetThing
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Date: April 5, 2012 17:12
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backstreetboy1
upon watching a newly resurfaced of keith and elvis costello playing several weeks back in st louis,im convinced its not his ability to play,watch the video and see what you all think,its on you tube,its the one were you see his side.
If someone had gotten up from the audience with a saw and started cutting off one of the legs on the stool, it probably would've sounded better.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
SweetThing
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Date: April 5, 2012 17:13
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SweetThingQuote
backstreetboy1
upon watching a newly resurfaced of keith and elvis costello playing several weeks back in st louis,im convinced its not his ability to play,watch the video and see what you all think,its on you tube,its the one were you see his side.
If someone had gotten up from the audience with a saw and started cutting off one of the legs on the stool, it probably would've sounded better.
Not to mention the added benefit of being even easier to google...
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
bam
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Date: April 5, 2012 17:22
Not St. Louis. This was the Boston event.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
rebelrebel
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Date: April 5, 2012 17:34
I think Keith very much is the reason for no 2012 tour, and no 2013 tour too. He can't play any more. Period. These fabulous archive downloads remind us all just how sublime the band once were and Keith's contribution is impossible to overstate. How amazing it is to listen to them when any additional keyboards and brass merely added to the core band rather than covered for them? (Them being a polite euphemism for Keith.) This is the legacy. I desperately hope they don't ruin it with another tour.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
GOO
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Date: April 5, 2012 17:54
They certainly could do a studio album
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
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Date: April 5, 2012 18:02
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GOO
They certainly could do a studio album
You are right. I think the studio work is the only possibility to get something new from the band after seeing this video.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
stones78
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Date: April 5, 2012 18:46
I had not seen that clip with Costello, was pretty bad, but I thought it would be worse, no way he can play a 2 hours gig.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
stonesdan60
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Date: April 5, 2012 19:08
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stones78
I had not seen that clip with Costello, was pretty bad, but I thought it would be worse, no way he can play a 2 hours gig.
I still think Keith deserves a break here. This was a very impromptu thing, being handed a guitar he was not used to and playing something on the spur of the moment with little or no preperation.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: April 5, 2012 19:11
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stonesdan60Quote
stones78
I had not seen that clip with Costello, was pretty bad, but I thought it would be worse, no way he can play a 2 hours gig.
I still think Keith deserves a break here. This was a very impromptu thing, being handed a guitar he was not used to and playing something on the spur of the moment with little or no preperation.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
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Date: April 5, 2012 19:52
That is absolutely no excuse. Keith is a professional. He's played hundreds of guitars in his life time.Quote
stonesdan60
I still think Keith deserves a break here....being handed a guitar he was not used to
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
Justin
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Date: April 5, 2012 20:05
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GumbootCloggerooThat is absolutely no excuse. Keith is a professional. He's played hundreds of guitars in his life time.Quote
stonesdan60
I still think Keith deserves a break here....being handed a guitar he was not used to
Doens't matter. This song isn't the typical Chuck Berry tune. The changes and turnarounds are quicker and can easily throw off any player who's used to the typical 12 bar changes (I know it did with me when I played it a year ago with a couple people). This unfamiliarity eliminates Keith playing any effective rhythm. This leaves just the leads.
The lead work is shotty, yes, but that's because Keith is desperate to find a groove. Playing an "acoustic" version of a Chuck Berry song is no easy task without a rhythm section under you. Keith is overcompensating for the missing sound by going all over the fretboard, unfortunately, it's a bunch of cluttered notes everywhere. I know how Keith plays, and when I hear him on this clip, I hear a nervous, unprepared, excited dude who wants to play his heart out. But all this BS that he can't play anymore? Doubt it.
Not sure why I went out of my way to explain this when you'll probably just say "Who cares?! he still sucks!"
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
Midnight Toker
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Date: April 5, 2012 20:05
When someone is almost 70 and smokes and drinks like Keith, you can expect a rapid decline in health at some point in time. Add arthritis and what do you get? When I met him in 2006, he looked like a walking corpse. My first impression was " zombie mummy". I can only imagine whY he is like now. His mind tells him he can still do it. The body, however, cannot.
It will require and act of God and some help from Mick Taylor and Ronnie to pick up the slack for two hours a night.
It will require and act of God and some help from Mick Taylor and Ronnie to pick up the slack for two hours a night.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
ROPENI
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Date: April 5, 2012 20:06
He could also have said,l just came to see Chuck, not to play,l mean he is Keith Richards,is not like he needed that showcase or anything.Quote
GumbootCloggerooThat is absolutely no excuse. Keith is a professional. He's played hundreds of guitars in his life time.Quote
stonesdan60
I still think Keith deserves a break here....being handed a guitar he was not used to
"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
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Date: April 5, 2012 20:40
If he doesn't know the chord changes, then yes, that's one thing. But to say we should give him a break because he was handed a guitar that he's not used to? That's a total cop out. Professionals adapt to whatever guitar they are using. I highly doubt Jeff Beck's talent would be greatly diminished if he were playing a foreign guitar.Quote
JustinQuote
GumbootCloggerooThat is absolutely no excuse. Keith is a professional. He's played hundreds of guitars in his life time.Quote
stonesdan60
I still think Keith deserves a break here....being handed a guitar he was not used to
Doens't matter. This song isn't the typical Chuck Berry tune. The changes and turnarounds are quicker and can easily throw off any player who's used to the typical 12 bar changes (I know it did with me when I played it a year ago with a couple people). This unfamiliarity eliminates Keith playing any effective rhythm. This leaves just the leads.
The lead work is shotty, yes, but that's because Keith is desperate to find a groove. Playing an "acoustic" version of a Chuck Berry song is no easy task without a rhythm section under you. Keith is overcompensating for the missing sound by going all over the fretboard, unfortunately, it's a bunch of cluttered notes everywhere. I know how Keith plays, and when I hear him on this clip, I hear a nervous, unprepared, excited dude who wants to play his heart out. But all this BS that he can't play anymore? Doubt it.
Not sure why I went out of my way to explain this when you'll probably just say "Who cares?! he still sucks!"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-05 20:41 by GumbootCloggeroo.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: April 5, 2012 20:44
The only weird thing was when he was playing lead in the wrong key. But it was a casual unrehearsed situation, and my feeling is we shouldn't judge him too harshly based on this.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
KRiffhard
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Date: April 5, 2012 20:45
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jamesfdouglas
This is so sad to watch.
I agree
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
vermontoffender
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Date: April 5, 2012 23:04
If this was the only clip of post-2007 Keith being a bit ragged, most people would cut him some slack.
Sadly, that's hardly the case.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-06 01:30 by vermontoffender.
Sadly, that's hardly the case.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-04-06 01:30 by vermontoffender.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: April 5, 2012 23:06
Oops.....wish I'd never took a peak at that Costello/Richards clip...!
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
GravityBoy
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Date: April 5, 2012 23:06
He couldn't even do his "noodle riff" in the right key.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
Rik
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Date: April 5, 2012 23:14
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Redhotcarpet
He sounds better on this one. But then he starts to do a solo and that's where he's lost. Until 1.48! Better there. I just dont think this is enough.
Woopss, this is really bad!!
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
Justin
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Date: April 5, 2012 23:26
Well done backstreetboy1...just when we were just about getting over this performance you bring it up again with absolutely nothing new to add. Now we gotta have post after post reminding us how badly this performance went.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
lem motlow
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Date: April 6, 2012 00:48
it wasnt THAT bad.just a little impromtu thing they threw together and it has very little to do with the rolling stones onstage.
i will say keith needs to stay away from any kind of lead guitar playing,chuck berry or otherwise.
his strength is what it always was-hammering out those open chords.he only gets in trouble when he tries to break into some kind of lead,thats when the wheels come off.
his hands are in a bad way but if he sticks to his rhythm playing he should be alright.the problem is whos gonna tell him"do not try to play a lead under any circumstances" that might be a problem.
i will say keith needs to stay away from any kind of lead guitar playing,chuck berry or otherwise.
his strength is what it always was-hammering out those open chords.he only gets in trouble when he tries to break into some kind of lead,thats when the wheels come off.
his hands are in a bad way but if he sticks to his rhythm playing he should be alright.the problem is whos gonna tell him"do not try to play a lead under any circumstances" that might be a problem.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: April 6, 2012 01:13
I really didn't think it was that bad. Keith is old, and he is also very rusty. It seems that this new visibility is part of him to see what he's got in him. It wasn't a easy groove, but the Stones are notorious for sounding very, very bad at times; when jamming etc.
I don't think it is wise for Keith to carry a Stones gig anymore; not in the style he is used to playing. he has got to quit showboating, and find a simple solid niche of playing style.
I don't think it is wise for Keith to carry a Stones gig anymore; not in the style he is used to playing. he has got to quit showboating, and find a simple solid niche of playing style.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
jhat111
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Date: April 6, 2012 06:46
I totally agree that it's not as bad as most on here are saying..i wasn't there, but if it was an impromptu acoustic jam that looks almost like it was in some hotel conference room i don't see anything but maybe a little bit of rust and the two of them winging a chuck song that looks like i'd expect it to look and sound like by the two of them under those circumstances
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
JumpinJeppeFlash
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Date: April 6, 2012 07:14
No comments, everyone already knows what i think about this performance and Keiths current status as a guitarplayer. It's really sad to see him play this bad and there is no way he will be able to perform with the band for two hours. Last tour he played well was Licks, but now the fingers and head wont do the job well enough anymore and that's the big reason why they can't tour. O shit, now i made a comment, well ok.
Re: keiths not the reason for no 2012 tour
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: April 6, 2012 07:42
Quote
JustinQuote
GumbootCloggerooThat is absolutely no excuse. Keith is a professional. He's played hundreds of guitars in his life time.Quote
stonesdan60
I still think Keith deserves a break here....being handed a guitar he was not used to
Doens't matter. This song isn't the typical Chuck Berry tune. The changes and turnarounds are quicker and can easily throw off any player who's used to the typical 12 bar changes (I know it did with me when I played it a year ago with a couple people). This unfamiliarity eliminates Keith playing any effective rhythm. This leaves just the leads.
The lead work is shotty, yes, but that's because Keith is desperate to find a groove. Playing an "acoustic" version of a Chuck Berry song is no easy task without a rhythm section under you. Keith is overcompensating for the missing sound by going all over the fretboard, unfortunately, it's a bunch of cluttered notes everywhere. I know how Keith plays, and when I hear him on this clip, I hear a nervous, unprepared, excited dude who wants to play his heart out. But all this BS that he can't play anymore? Doubt it.
Not sure why I went out of my way to explain this when you'll probably just say "Who cares?! he still sucks!"
I think you nailed it with the "nervous, excited...wants to play his heart out". That's exactly what I see. he's trying to follow the chords and gets lost in the wrong key at one point, but finds his way back. After a slow start he turns it on at the end, like a veteran boxer finding that extra flicker of energy at the end of a round.
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