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stonesdan60
I think Keith's work throughout the film is top notch, especially his chord work - even if his solos are leaner than in younger years.
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Mathijs
Chuck Berry style is really not rocket science.Mathijs
This guy has nailed it:
Can it get any better? He has other Berry covers and also some great covers of The Stones
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Britney
The video's show he's somewhat struggling with the ballance of the guitar.
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paulm
man, that was happening < 2 hours from me...imagine tix were pretty dear.
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The video's show he's somewhat struggling with the ballance of the guitar.
Well heck if you can't even hold a guitar anymore, how can you expect to play it decently?
I'll look at the clips later and make my own judgement, but from reading some comments here I have a bad, bad feeling that's it's all over now.
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stonesdan60
I think Keith's work throughout the film is top notch, especially his chord work - even if his solos are leaner than in younger years.
Maybe you should watch Shine A Light and Seattle Supersonic back to back. The set lists have many songs in common.
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stonesdan60
I think too many people are unfairly writing him off too soon.
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paulm
I don't think the Stones will ever retire. But something's gonna have to change regarding how MJ and KR resolve something that is gone, and evolve. I am perfectly happy watching KR play an L5 in open tuning, put 1 finger on the fretboard every once in a while then throw his hand up for effect. I think it's great. But how is MJ gonna adjust to that is the question? Surely not by running around pointing his finger everywhere.
interesting time...
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There is a bit of a "When Jams Go Wrong" thing about it and Keith goes into a few unrelated keys for a short bit but if Keith can still bend strings and play Chuck Berry licks then where is the problem.
The only problem with Keith is his arthritis and that's not stopping him doing string bends or chords, so he can still play.
Keith might not be practicing much at the moment, who knows.
From some of the comments I read at IORR, you would think Keith can't play at all which is not true judging by this video.
What worries me though is that to play in the Chuck Berry style is really not rocket science. There's a dozen or so standard licks, which can be played in any key. These licks are really not difficult at all -brilliant, but not difficult. Once you've learned how to play these licks, something Richards did in the very early 60's and played ever since, it's just like swimming or riding a bicycle: you well always be able to play them, even when you didn't touch a guitar for 5 years. Sure it will be less fluid then, but that actually is part of the attraction of Chuck Berry styled playing.
I have said it before in a Shine a Light thread –what worries me is that his mind appears to be the problem. Ever since his brain attacks his mind seems to work slower than his fingers. On Shine a Light you can see him thinking: ‘I know this song, I’ve played it a million times, here we go to a C chord’, but at that moment the band has moved to a D chord already.
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stonesdan60
I think too many people are unfairly writing him off too soon.
i agree. way too many. i think it should be left to a handful of us who really understand the situation. you get some of these amateur bashers and it dilutes things for us professionals.
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howled
There is a bit of a "When Jams Go Wrong" thing about it and Keith goes into a few unrelated keys for a short bit but if Keith can still bend strings and play Chuck Berry licks then where is the problem.
The only problem with Keith is his arthritis and that's not stopping him doing string bends or chords, so he can still play.
Keith might not be practicing much at the moment, who knows.
From some of the comments I read at IORR, you would think Keith can't play at all which is not true judging by this video.
What worries me though is that to play in the Chuck Berry style is really not rocket science. There's a dozen or so standard licks, which can be played in any key. These licks are really not difficult at all -brilliant, but not difficult. Once you've learned how to play these licks, something Richards did in the very early 60's and played ever since, it's just like swimming or riding a bicycle: you well always be able to play them, even when you didn't touch a guitar for 5 years. Sure it will be less fluid then, but that actually is part of the attraction of Chuck Berry styled playing.
I have said it before in a Shine a Light thread –what worries me is that his mind appears to be the problem. Ever since his brain attacks his mind seems to work slower than his fingers. On Shine a Light you can see him thinking: ‘I know this song, I’ve played it a million times, here we go to a C chord’, but at that moment the band has moved to a D chord already.
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Mathijs, while I truly believe you are a guitarist a hundred times better than I, I need to take exception of your statement on Chuck Berry guitar playing. Yes, Chuck Berry music can be easy to play, but to nail it correctly, it ain't so easy; on those early recordings, there is way more there than what memory of those songs brings to mind. Wouldn't you agree?
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stonesdan60
Factor X.
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I think too many people are unfairly writing him off too soon.
i agree. way too many. i think it should be left to a handful of us who really understand the situation. you get some of these amateur bashers and it dilutes things for us professionals.
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stonesdan60
What worries me though is that to play in the Chuck Berry style is really not rocket science. There's a dozen or so standard licks, which can be played in any key. These licks are really not difficult at all -brilliant, but not difficult. Once you've learned how to play these licks, something Richards did in the very early 60's and played ever since, it's just like swimming or riding a bicycle: you well always be able to play them, even when you didn't touch a guitar for 5 years. Sure it will be less fluid then, but that actually is part of the attraction of Chuck Berry styled playing.
I have said it before in a Shine a Light thread –what worries me is that his mind appears to be the problem. Ever since his brain attacks his mind seems to work slower than his fingers. On Shine a Light you can see him thinking: ‘I know this song, I’ve played it a million times, here we go to a C chord’, but at that moment the band has moved to a D chord already.
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stonesdan60
I think too many people are unfairly writing him off too soon.
i agree. way too many. i think it should be left to a handful of us who really understand the situation. you get some of these amateur bashers and it dilutes things for us professionals.
Open your eyes, you don´t understand the situation better than anyone else here, if you would be a professional you would have noticed that Keiths guitarplaying only have worsen during the last 10 years. It´s extremly painful to suffer from arthritis from time to time, look at his fingers, do you even in your wildest dreams think that he will be able to go on a tour and play acceptable for two hours after what everyone here have seen during the last days?
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howled
There is a bit of a "When Jams Go Wrong" thing about it and Keith goes into a few unrelated keys for a short bit but if Keith can still bend strings and play Chuck Berry licks then where is the problem.
The only problem with Keith is his arthritis and that's not stopping him doing string bends or chords, so he can still play.
Keith might not be practicing much at the moment, who knows.
From some of the comments I read at IORR, you would think Keith can't play at all which is not true judging by this video.
What worries me though is that to play in the Chuck Berry style is really not rocket science. There's a dozen or so standard licks, which can be played in any key. These licks are really not difficult at all -brilliant, but not difficult. Once you've learned how to play these licks, something Richards did in the very early 60's and played ever since, it's just like swimming or riding a bicycle: you well always be able to play them, even when you didn't touch a guitar for 5 years. Sure it will be less fluid then, but that actually is part of the attraction of Chuck Berry styled playing.
I have said it before in a Shine a Light thread –what worries me is that his mind appears to be the problem. Ever since his brain attacks his mind seems to work slower than his fingers. On Shine a Light you can see him thinking: ‘I know this song, I’ve played it a million times, here we go to a C chord’, but at that moment the band has moved to a D chord already.
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Mathijs - if you can read other peoples minds and you can read what they think - with your doctor skills in brain activity - then go ahead and guess what I'm thinkin about your bullshit analysis of Keith ?
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howled
There is a bit of a "When Jams Go Wrong" thing about it and Keith goes into a few unrelated keys for a short bit but if Keith can still bend strings and play Chuck Berry licks then where is the problem.
The only problem with Keith is his arthritis and that's not stopping him doing string bends or chords, so he can still play.
Keith might not be practicing much at the moment, who knows.
From some of the comments I read at IORR, you would think Keith can't play at all which is not true judging by this video.
What worries me though is that to play in the Chuck Berry style is really not rocket science. There's a dozen or so standard licks, which can be played in any key. These licks are really not difficult at all -brilliant, but not difficult. Once you've learned how to play these licks, something Richards did in the very early 60's and played ever since, it's just like swimming or riding a bicycle: you well always be able to play them, even when you didn't touch a guitar for 5 years. Sure it will be less fluid then, but that actually is part of the attraction of Chuck Berry styled playing.
I have said it before in a Shine a Light thread –what worries me is that his mind appears to be the problem. Ever since his brain attacks his mind seems to work slower than his fingers. On Shine a Light you can see him thinking: ‘I know this song, I’ve played it a million times, here we go to a C chord’, but at that moment the band has moved to a D chord already.
Mathijs
Mathijs, while I truly believe you are a guitarist a hundred times better than I, I need to take exception of your statement on Chuck Berry guitar playing. Yes, Chuck Berry music can be easy to play, but to nail it correctly, it ain't so easy; on those early recordings, there is way more there than what memory of those songs brings to mind. Wouldn't you agree?
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Maybe you saw a different SAL than I did, not to mention the audio CD for reference. I think you're reading things into what Keith is thinking and being behind the song. He looks very assured to me. Take perhaps the most Chuck Berry-style song in the set, She Was Hot. Keith is spot on and nails it from start to finish. There's no hesitation with chord changes and his Berry-inspired fills and solos are great. I think Keith's work throughout the film is top notch, especially his chord work - even if his solos are leaner than in younger years.
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71Tele
Mathjis, I've played guitar for 35 years and am very familiar with both the Stones' and Berry's canon. As with many things which seem simple (such as Keith's own open-G playing), it is easy to grasp the surface technical part. But there are nuances in Berry's playing that even as a pro I still don't get. Part of it had to do with his mammoth-sized hands, but there are subleties to the double-stop stuff he does that not even Keith got accurately. Yes, any mediocre bar mitzvah and wedding band guitar player can play a reasonable "Johnny B Goode", but Berry's was a master and only a few have really "got" him.
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71Tele
Mathjis, I've played guitar for 35 years and am very familiar with both the Stones' and Berry's canon. As with many things which seem simple (such as Keith's own open-G playing), it is easy to grasp the surface technical part. But there are nuances in Berry's playing that even as a pro I still don't get. Part of it had to do with his mammoth-sized hands, but there are subleties to the double-stop stuff he does that not even Keith got accurately. Yes, any mediocre bar mitzvah and wedding band guitar player can play a reasonable "Johnny B Goode", but Berry's was a master and only a few have really "got" him.
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71Tele
Mathjis, I've played guitar for 35 years and am very familiar with both the Stones' and Berry's canon. As with many things which seem simple (such as Keith's own open-G playing), it is easy to grasp the surface technical part. But there are nuances in Berry's playing that even as a pro I still don't get. Part of it had to do with his mammoth-sized hands, but there are subleties to the double-stop stuff he does that not even Keith got accurately. Yes, any mediocre bar mitzvah and wedding band guitar player can play a reasonable "Johnny B Goode", but Berry's was a master and only a few have really "got" him.