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i agree that is an unbelievable review of sticky fingers
I think you're right about Sticky Fingers. I must say that I've always considered Exile quite lame as well. There's just isn't many good songs on it. Ever heard Let it Bleed album? Mediocre at best. Beggars? Amateuristic. Ya-Ya's? Sounds like a bootleg.
Give me Tales from Topographic Oceans anytime.
Mathijs
I'm all for freedom of speech but you should be baned from here. No just jocking as I'm sure you are too.
Well if you are for freedom of speech then let me enjoy mine
. actually Im not joking, I think Cant you hear me knocking is good but not one of the great ones. Keith has come up with much better riffs, the minimalistic Hot Stuff, the perfect IYCRM, the solid Dance little sister. Many fans consider Sticky to be the best album but I don't. It's not bad but I never listen to it. Could be that Keith was missing, sort of. Beggars, Let is bleed and Exile have Keith co-piloting with Mick.
Its not a bad album, because it's a Stones album, but as such its not great and I dont care for it anymore.
That doesnt mean I havent played it I just don't listen to it anymore. It lacks something and I always felt it did. Maybe it's Keith? (please dont report me)
Let's just leave it at that then.
He's had his share of co-writing credits. Sometimes, to me anyway, it works, like with Hey Negrita, Dance, Everything's Turning To Gold ... and sometimes it doesn't, like I see he is credited on Fight, Dirty Work, Had It With You.
It's one of my favourites, but knowing where you're coming from musically (75/76) I can sort of understand what you're saying.
When that is said, there are gems like BS, WH, YGM, Bitch, IGTB, DF and MM on this album, so...
Keith is only missing in action on MM (paradoxically the best song on the album, imo). Mick Taylor is absent on more songs than Keith on SF (BS, SM and maybe Bitch).
...and this is why Stones fans rule!>
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Here it is:
[www.youtube.com]
Kinda like the long studio jams they cut down to make Some Girls tracks.
video: [www.youtube.com]
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Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
straycatblues73
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Date: January 1, 2011 18:48
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slew
I have to respond to redhotcarpet's take on Sticky Fingers and go off topic as he or she did. To each his own but CYHMK a boring riff ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? One of the best riffs I've ever heard! Wild Horses is in my top ten.
It is far superior to B&B even though I love B&B!
i agree that is an unbelievable review of sticky fingers
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: January 2, 2011 12:10
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Redhotcarpet
I know it sounds stupid to claim that B&B was their biggest effort in the 70s but if you listen to the whole album, the production, the musicianship and the songs it's not a bad album at all. Too short but had they included Worried bout you, Slave, and maybe one real rocker ("Never stop"?) it would have been a classic.
And I gotta say, to me Sticky is not a great album, I never listen to it. Brown Sugar is a great song but I prefer the live versions of 1972 and the Altamont version. Or the birthday version. Sway is a great track but I've heard it and thats enough, it's just too much somehow. Wild horses is overrated and all too melodramatic. I hate it. There I said it.
Cant you hear me knocking is a stiff overrated rocker, the riff is just boring and it doesnt go anywhere.
You gotta move was a highlight in 1975/76 but the studio version is a joke, Mick does it tongue in cheek. Bitch is good, a solid track, but the production is lame. I got the blues is a pointless pastich. Sister Morphine too, doesnt go anywhere, I dont believe Mick when he sings it. Angie is much better. Dead flowers is a great country track but would have suited their best album ever; Let it Bleed. Moonlight Mile is very nice indeed and maybe the only "deep" song, a song where you feel the singer wants to express something.
Sorry but that's how I feel about Sticky, it's not a bad album, how could it be, but I prefer B&B. Yayas? Keith is great but it sounds a bit dated and I prefer the Jagger of 1972-1978. Exile is the ultimate album I guess but how often do you listen to it? B&B is not better than Exile but had it been a real LP with ten or twelve songs from that period and with that production it would have been a true classic. If you take Miss You from Some Girls you have a boring rock album with maybe two good songs.
I think you're right about Sticky Fingers. I must say that I've always considered Exile quite lame as well. There's just isn't many good songs on it. Ever heard Let it Bleed album? Mediocre at best. Beggars? Amateuristic. Ya-Ya's? Sounds like a bootleg.
Give me Tales from Topographic Oceans anytime.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: January 2, 2011 13:17
And that's an understatement.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-01-03 11:55 by Amsterdamned.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-01-03 11:55 by Amsterdamned.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
leteyer
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Date: January 2, 2011 14:03
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Redhotcarpet
I know it sounds stupid to claim that B&B was their biggest effort in the 70s but if you listen to the whole album, the production, the musicianship and the songs it's not a bad album at all. Too short but had they included Worried bout you, Slave, and maybe one real rocker ("Never stop"?) it would have been a classic.
And I gotta say, to me Sticky is not a great album, I never listen to it. Brown Sugar is a great song but I prefer the live versions of 1972 and the Altamont version. Or the birthday version. Sway is a great track but I've heard it and thats enough, it's just too much somehow. Wild horses is overrated and all too melodramatic. I hate it. There I said it.
Cant you hear me knocking is a stiff overrated rocker, the riff is just boring and it doesnt go anywhere.
You gotta move was a highlight in 1975/76 but the studio version is a joke, Mick does it tongue in cheek. Bitch is good, a solid track, but the production is lame. I got the blues is a pointless pastich. Sister Morphine too, doesnt go anywhere, I dont believe Mick when he sings it. Angie is much better. Dead flowers is a great country track but would have suited their best album ever; Let it Bleed. Moonlight Mile is very nice indeed and maybe the only "deep" song, a song where you feel the singer wants to express something.
Sorry but that's how I feel about Sticky, it's not a bad album, how could it be, but I prefer B&B. Yayas? Keith is great but it sounds a bit dated and I prefer the Jagger of 1972-1978. Exile is the ultimate album I guess but how often do you listen to it? B&B is not better than Exile but had it been a real LP with ten or twelve songs from that period and with that production it would have been a true classic. If you take Miss You from Some Girls you have a boring rock album with maybe two good songs.
I'm all for freedom of speech but you should be baned from here. No just jocking as I'm sure you are too.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: January 2, 2011 14:16
Quoted: Redhotcarpet
And I gotta say, to me Sticky is not a great album, I never listen to it.
it's not a bad album, how could it be.......
?
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And I gotta say, to me Sticky is not a great album, I never listen to it.
it's not a bad album, how could it be.......
?
__________________________
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: January 2, 2011 14:18
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leteyer
I'm all for freedom of speech but you should be baned from here. No just jocking as I'm sure you are too.
Well if you are for freedom of speech then let me enjoy mine
. actually Im not joking, I think Cant you hear me knocking is good but not one of the great ones. Keith has come up with much better riffs, the minimalistic Hot Stuff, the perfect IYCRM, the solid Dance little sister. Many fans consider Sticky to be the best album but I don't. It's not bad but I never listen to it. Could be that Keith was missing, sort of. Beggars, Let is bleed and Exile have Keith co-piloting with Mick.Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: January 2, 2011 14:34
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NICOS
Quoted: Redhotcarpet
And I gotta say, to me Sticky is not a great album, I never listen to it.
it's not a bad album, how could it be.......
?
Its not a bad album, because it's a Stones album, but as such its not great and I dont care for it anymore.
That doesnt mean I havent played it I just don't listen to it anymore. It lacks something and I always felt it did. Maybe it's Keith? (please dont report me)
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
LeonidP
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Date: January 3, 2015 06:12
Official promo vid, that I've never seen before:
Love this track, how great are the guitars on this?!
Love this track, how great are the guitars on this?!
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Brown Moses
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Date: January 3, 2015 06:47
Black and Blue was the first Stones album I bought when I was old enough to be able to afford to buy an album.So the whole album is a soft spot for me but this tune is just excellent from start to finish.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: January 3, 2015 06:53
...nice words BM... Ya laid ya $$$$$dollars down just fine boy .....just fine
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: January 3, 2015 17:13
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Redhotcarpet
I know it sounds stupid to claim that B&B was their biggest effort in the 70s....
Let's just leave it at that then.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
emotionalbarbecue
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Date: January 4, 2015 00:16
In spanish negrita is used to refer a girl of black race. Colloquially and with respect. Literally "little black girl". (I am no an english speaker and as far as I know words like "black" or "negro" or similiar are extremely dangerous and it is better to never use them).
And then...every spanish speaking country has its own nuances...in Puerto Rico means just a nice bloke/girl, regardless the colour of his/her skin.
And then...every spanish speaking country has its own nuances...in Puerto Rico means just a nice bloke/girl, regardless the colour of his/her skin.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
strat72
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Date: January 4, 2015 04:25
Love Hey Negrita. Great funky groove!
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Rip This
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Date: January 4, 2015 05:01
wonderful groove. too bad RW doesn't get the opportunity to write more with these guys...
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
LeonidP
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Date: January 4, 2015 16:38
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Rip This
wonderful groove. too bad RW doesn't get the opportunity to write more with these guys...
He's had his share of co-writing credits. Sometimes, to me anyway, it works, like with Hey Negrita, Dance, Everything's Turning To Gold ... and sometimes it doesn't, like I see he is credited on Fight, Dirty Work, Had It With You.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Pietro
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Date: January 4, 2015 22:22
Ronnie Wood's greatest contribution to the Rolling Stones. The way I heard it, Woods came up with the slide riffs.
I like how some of the words are in Spanish. And it tells a universal story (poor man seeks sexual gratification at a discount rate and is repelled by haughty streetwalker).
The outtake is better than the version on Black and Blue, IMHO.
I like how some of the words are in Spanish. And it tells a universal story (poor man seeks sexual gratification at a discount rate and is repelled by haughty streetwalker).
The outtake is better than the version on Black and Blue, IMHO.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
jp.M
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Date: January 4, 2015 22:23
..a very good bridge (flash of gold in your ears,child....)...but only one time !
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 5, 2015 14:54
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RedhotcarpetQuote
leteyer
I'm all for freedom of speech but you should be baned from here. No just jocking as I'm sure you are too.
Well if you are for freedom of speech then let me enjoy mine
It's one of my favourites, but knowing where you're coming from musically (75/76) I can sort of understand what you're saying.
When that is said, there are gems like BS, WH, YGM, Bitch, IGTB, DF and MM on this album, so...
Keith is only missing in action on MM (paradoxically the best song on the album, imo). Mick Taylor is absent on more songs than Keith on SF (BS, SM and maybe Bitch).
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
beachbreak
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Date: January 5, 2015 17:01
Love it. I like the entire album.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
andrewt
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Date: January 5, 2015 17:14
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Pietro
Ronnie Wood's greatest contribution to the Rolling Stones. The way I heard it, Woods came up with the slide riffs.
I like how some of the words are in Spanish. And it tells a universal story (poor man seeks sexual gratification at a discount rate and is repelled by haughty streetwalker).
The outtake is better than the version on Black and Blue, IMHO.
...and this is why Stones fans rule!>
<Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 5, 2015 18:27
Why haven't I heard an outtake version of this??? Outtake or semi-finished?
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
runaway
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Date: January 5, 2015 19:04
I enjoy listening to Hey Negrita of the album Black and Blue that I bought when it came out and went straight to one of The Stones concerts in the Hague in 1976.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
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Date: January 5, 2015 20:01
One of my favourite Stones songs. For me it epitomises what the Stones were all about; Raunchy guitar sound, funky as @#$%&, sleaze in gallons and a great production/mix. I;m not surprised they took it off Ron Wood. I bought Black and Blue on the day of it;s release (on holiday with mum and dad in Bournemouth of all places!) and at the time thought it was a passable album, over the years it has proved to be a fantastic album and now one I listen to on a weekly basis - love it.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Pietro
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Date: January 5, 2015 20:21
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DandelionPowderman
Why haven't I heard an outtake version of this??? Outtake or semi-finished?
Here it is:
[www.youtube.com]
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Naturalust
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Date: January 5, 2015 20:29
Never quite got this one. Sounded like Keith was half asleep on his two chord guitar part. Preston's piano and Mick's raunchy vocal do well to make up for it but I never liked the guitar sounds. This could have been a warm up jam for the Stones but it hardly seemed good enough to put on the record. It just doesn't go anywhere, starts as a loose jam and ends as a loose jam.
I think Keith's addictions were at the point of "not working for the music" for this tune and pretty much all of Black and Blue. Thus they relied on Jagger, Billy Preston and Ronnie to carry the weight, and it shows.
peace
I think Keith's addictions were at the point of "not working for the music" for this tune and pretty much all of Black and Blue. Thus they relied on Jagger, Billy Preston and Ronnie to carry the weight, and it shows.
peace
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 5, 2015 20:40
That bridge has everything Sway (and MJ) lacks. Not to mention the second, almost Caribbean-esque, bridge. There aren't many Stones tracks with two distinct bridges, btw.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
andrewt
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Date: January 5, 2015 21:29
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Why haven't I heard an outtake version of this??? Outtake or semi-finished?
Kinda like the long studio jams they cut down to make Some Girls tracks.
video: [www.youtube.com]
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: January 5, 2015 22:39
Hmm... I seemingly hadn't said anything about this track yet...
Since the actual track of the week is "Sway", this gives me an opportunity to build a brief bridge between these two tracks. Let's put it it this way: "Hey Negrita" is for Wood what "Sway" is for Taylor - a showcase what he brings on the table, that is, adds to the band's sound by his idiosyncratic skills. Both numbers are structured to serve best their skills - the other pointing at classical blues rock with masterful guitar solos, the other to the more rhythm-oriented funky waters with hectic riffs.
Anyway, they seemingly had so much ear that they didn't quite believed on their power to carry a whole song with that one king rhythmic idea, and added two bridges to make the song more 'musical'. A decision which serves an arm-chair listener, but not the people at dance-floor to whom this songly, supposedly, was aimed for. In the latter sense, I think its brother song in the album, "Hot Stuff" works better.
But for Jagger the song offers a perfect template to do his thing. I love his way of making noises, just relying on his sense of sonical nuances of the words. The funkiest and sexiest thing in the song, finally, comes from his mouth. He is funny, wit, edgy, arrogant, but damn exciting... just compare that to the hopeless try later with "Sex Drive"... There surely was no need for viagra back then yet...
"Hey Negrita" is not my personal favourites, and I don't think it is very memorable song in the long run, but it is an interesting track from the days when they still were creative, and kept on reforming themselves.
- Doxa
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-05 22:42 by Doxa.
Since the actual track of the week is "Sway", this gives me an opportunity to build a brief bridge between these two tracks. Let's put it it this way: "Hey Negrita" is for Wood what "Sway" is for Taylor - a showcase what he brings on the table, that is, adds to the band's sound by his idiosyncratic skills. Both numbers are structured to serve best their skills - the other pointing at classical blues rock with masterful guitar solos, the other to the more rhythm-oriented funky waters with hectic riffs.
Anyway, they seemingly had so much ear that they didn't quite believed on their power to carry a whole song with that one king rhythmic idea, and added two bridges to make the song more 'musical'. A decision which serves an arm-chair listener, but not the people at dance-floor to whom this songly, supposedly, was aimed for. In the latter sense, I think its brother song in the album, "Hot Stuff" works better.
But for Jagger the song offers a perfect template to do his thing. I love his way of making noises, just relying on his sense of sonical nuances of the words. The funkiest and sexiest thing in the song, finally, comes from his mouth. He is funny, wit, edgy, arrogant, but damn exciting... just compare that to the hopeless try later with "Sex Drive"... There surely was no need for viagra back then yet...
"Hey Negrita" is not my personal favourites, and I don't think it is very memorable song in the long run, but it is an interesting track from the days when they still were creative, and kept on reforming themselves.
- Doxa
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-05 22:42 by Doxa.
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
mighty stork
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Date: January 5, 2015 23:42
How about this version:
Re: Track Talk: Hey Negrita
Posted by:
mighty stork
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Date: January 5, 2015 23:58
This live version from London in 1976 is pretty good too. I find Jagger's last comment at the end interesting.
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