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An even more odd and curious thing would be the fact that 11 of YOUR last 12 posts on this site have, guess what, been on "OT" threads.
Woad is an excellent record,albeit not as great as its predecessor.It's very understated and that may be the reason why it's not very well received by many.However, it has some amazing arrangement.If only the songs were as good as on Magic....
I'll give WOAD another listen ... although I'd rather Van Gogh my ear than listen to Surprise, Surprise again (I can't actually believe someone REQUESTED that ... he must have been so shocked he played it).
Agree with you Gazza, Outlaw Pete live was a monster.
I've heard rumours that the next album will be another solo album, although the next tour will be part solo, part small band. I also suspect that we may have seen the last E Street Band tour. This one does have an air of finality to it. I know it's a bit like the "is this the last tour?" debate that goes on here whenever the Stones announce a tour, but a lot of the long-term fans are saying it's all over after this. Steve's comment - "See us while you can" - playing his three core albums in their entirety, Danny's death, the shots of the youthful band playing on the screens, Max's Conan gig, and Father Time ....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 00:12 by Nikolai.
Do you actually have any point, to anything, in life?
Or does life "suck"?
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when posters, having been corrected, change their view of an artist from "the last three albums all sound the same" to "no, he just sucks", I cannnot help but get the feeling that:
a) they don't know what they're talking about;
b) they don't actually have an opinion;
c) they have difficulty articulating anything other than "sucks";
d) they have absolutely nothing to add to any discussion beyond the kind of predictive-text-message toilet babble that an average street-corner, brain-dead nomark could conjure up.
Then again, I'm probably not too far off the mark in believing that such drivel might actually be YOUR idea of intelligent discourse.
I don't get the feeling that it's the last E-Street Band tour. I get the sense that maybe it's a band that's a bit road weary after nearly 3 straight years of touring. Bruce himself is a relatively young 60. Give them another 2-3 years. Hopefully a strong studio album and I think they'll be back at it.(I hope).
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Great points. Now there have been plenty of posts on here about bands I thoroughly LOATHE - Coldplay, Simple Minds (yeah, I know - they were supposedly good once ... I missed those three seconds of glory), Oasis, etc etc - but I won't waste my time contributing my opinions - variations of "shite", and "you must be a seriously joyless lump of humanity to dig them", because, well, who needs to read that? I will read the posts for amusement though. Especially about Coldplay.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 02:51 by Nikolai.
Do you think your a) thru d) list can hold up when applied to the insults hurled at mickcarey. I do.
Why do you think it holds up?
Could you explain?
I'm the one who said it. Yes I stand by it. Rather than being a dick and saying zzzzz. Make a stab at being an intelligent human being and offer real reasons why you don't like the music. Or better yet,move on to something you do like. Besides mickscary is aslecs or some other person who does nothing but change names and use the internet as an instrument of hate. For that alone he needs to be called on. What are you,his agent, wife,lover,apologist? I don't hurl insults at people unless they hurl first. Either go back and do your homework or stay out of it.
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Methinks thou dost protest too much. I dont see any criticism of anyone just for not liking Bruce Springsteen. Perfectly legitimate standpoint. The criticism is for the constant banal trolling, which - if you care to take a look at the poster's posting history on various threads - is something he specialises in. Odd that you choose to defend it by merely saying its 'terse and to the point'. Or could it be that it's just THIS subject you choose to tolerate his 'posting style'?
If mickscarey happens to find Springsteen's or the Beatles' music as boring or whatever, then why does he (and "yourself", for that matter) have to post so many one-line insulting comments on these threads, especially when none of these moronic jibes have anything whatsoever to do with music. Can it be for any other reason than a childish attempt at trying to disrupt an otherwise intelligent and interesting discussion?
Is this what YOU want IORR to become? Namely, a series of hate-filled unintelligent, half-complete sentences by morons without the brain capacity to conjour up even a single argument from their heads?
And anyway, why ARE you so keen to defend him/her/it/yourself?
It's gonna take The Wild The Innocent and The E Street Shuffle to get Gazza back across the pond.
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
A very unholy trinity, there. Two into one won't go.
Thanks for the thought, though and good luck with it!
I didnt actually SAY it was hateful, nor did I wish any malice on him. I personally have a low tolerance of trolls, regardless of what thread theyre posting in.
Seriously - if someone has nothing to add to a thread and sees a topic that they arent interested in, why hijack it with inane crap? The only point to that seems to be to wind people up. This guy has done this under various names for years - he was previously banned under another username.
There's plenty of threads here that should be of interest that he can contribute to. Like I said earlier, its a bit rich for someone to complain about OT threads when most of that person's recent posts are actually MADE in those threads.
Now if you want to debate 'fraud outside the music', I think you'll soon be opening up a whole other can of worms !
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 21:37 by Gazza.
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Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: October 14, 2009 22:55
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mickscarey
now now. like the beetles i never "got" springsteen and it is curious to me why people spend SO MUCH time on these subjects on a STONES site. Just seems quite odd and curious to me.
An even more odd and curious thing would be the fact that 11 of YOUR last 12 posts on this site have, guess what, been on "OT" threads.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
stones_serb
()
Date: October 14, 2009 22:57
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NikolaiQuote
Elmo Lewis
Actually, I think Magic is the best one in years - much better than The Rising, IMHO.
What did you make of WOAD, Elmo? I only like three or four songs on it - Outlaw Pete in particular. But it's got some serious crap on it (Surprise Surprise is as bad as Real Man). Bruce barely played any of it on tour either. Granted, much of it wouldn't translate too well in big venues, but it's hardly a ringing artistic endorsement of the album. He's always played the bulk of a new album on tour.
Woad is an excellent record,albeit not as great as its predecessor.It's very understated and that may be the reason why it's not very well received by many.However, it has some amazing arrangement.If only the songs were as good as on Magic....
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: October 14, 2009 23:03
A step down from the last couple of albums no doubt, but there's some quality music on it (and admittedly a couple of turds). I think, as Nikolai says, the big arrangements wouldnt have worked as easily in a live setting, which is maybe why some of the songs didnt get played. That said, he managed to do 'Outlaw Pete' pretty well.
Cant wait til the next one. My money's on a more stripped down storytellingt-style album a la Devils and Dust.
Cant wait til the next one. My money's on a more stripped down storytellingt-style album a la Devils and Dust.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
mickscarey
()
Date: October 14, 2009 23:06
Right, you see my point then?
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Nikolai
()
Date: October 15, 2009 00:12
Quote
Gazza
A step down from the last couple of albums no doubt, but there's some quality music on it (and admittedly a couple of turds). I think, as Nikolai says, the big arrangements wouldnt have worked as easily in a live setting, which is maybe why some of the songs didnt get played. That said, he managed to do 'Outlaw Pete' pretty well.
Cant wait til the next one. My money's on a more stripped down storytellingt-style album a la Devils and Dust.
I'll give WOAD another listen ... although I'd rather Van Gogh my ear than listen to Surprise, Surprise again (I can't actually believe someone REQUESTED that ... he must have been so shocked he played it).
Agree with you Gazza, Outlaw Pete live was a monster.
I've heard rumours that the next album will be another solo album, although the next tour will be part solo, part small band. I also suspect that we may have seen the last E Street Band tour. This one does have an air of finality to it. I know it's a bit like the "is this the last tour?" debate that goes on here whenever the Stones announce a tour, but a lot of the long-term fans are saying it's all over after this. Steve's comment - "See us while you can" - playing his three core albums in their entirety, Danny's death, the shots of the youthful band playing on the screens, Max's Conan gig, and Father Time ....
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 00:12 by Nikolai.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
LOGIE
()
Date: October 15, 2009 00:57
Quote
mickscarey
Right, you see my point then?
Do you actually have any point, to anything, in life?
Or does life "suck"?
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
LOGIE
()
Date: October 15, 2009 01:17
Quote
MKjan
Why all the malice towards mickscary? You espouse your right to talk about B. but fail to either understand or accept that someone may not like B and you can't tolerate this indifference, For me, B is boring, and his whole blue collar thing is very silly, but to insult mickscarey for having voiced a legit opinion.....is too much anger from ya's, and wasn't it posted that those that anger you control you. cheers.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when posters, having been corrected, change their view of an artist from "the last three albums all sound the same" to "no, he just sucks", I cannnot help but get the feeling that:
a) they don't know what they're talking about;
b) they don't actually have an opinion;
c) they have difficulty articulating anything other than "sucks";
d) they have absolutely nothing to add to any discussion beyond the kind of predictive-text-message toilet babble that an average street-corner, brain-dead nomark could conjure up.
Then again, I'm probably not too far off the mark in believing that such drivel might actually be YOUR idea of intelligent discourse.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: October 15, 2009 01:24
Quote
NikolaiQuote
Gazza
A step down from the last couple of albums no doubt, but there's some quality music on it (and admittedly a couple of turds). I think, as Nikolai says, the big arrangements wouldnt have worked as easily in a live setting, which is maybe why some of the songs didnt get played. That said, he managed to do 'Outlaw Pete' pretty well.
Cant wait til the next one. My money's on a more stripped down storytellingt-style album a la Devils and Dust.
I'll give WOAD another listen ... although I'd rather Van Gogh my ear than listen to Surprise, Surprise again (I can't actually believe someone REQUESTED that ... he must have been so shocked he played it).
Agree with you Gazza, Outlaw Pete live was a monster.
I've heard rumours that the next album will be another solo album, although the next tour will be part solo, part small band. I also suspect that we may have seen the last E Street Band tour. This one does have an air of finality to it. I know it's a bit like the "is this the last tour?" debate that goes on here whenever the Stones announce a tour, but a lot of the long-term fans are saying it's all over after this. Steve's comment - "See us while you can" - playing his three core albums in their entirety, Danny's death, the shots of the youthful band playing on the screens, Max's Conan gig, and Father Time ....
I don't get the feeling that it's the last E-Street Band tour. I get the sense that maybe it's a band that's a bit road weary after nearly 3 straight years of touring. Bruce himself is a relatively young 60. Give them another 2-3 years. Hopefully a strong studio album and I think they'll be back at it.(I hope).
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: October 15, 2009 01:27
I agree. While Steve did make that remark that Nikolai quoted, Springsteen himself has said that retiring the ESB isnt remotely on the agenda. 'We'll play another 30 years' 
.
Like some bands we know, they're in it for the long haul.
.Like some bands we know, they're in it for the long haul.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Nikolai
()
Date: October 15, 2009 02:39
I hope it isn't the last E Street Band tour. I've never seen a bad Springsteen show in the 20 + times I've seen him (even the Other Band gigs had their moments), but no one backs him like the E Street Band.
I think think we're due a few archive releases next year. The Darkness box is supposedly almost ready, and there's a Devils & Dust tour DVD/CD in the pipeline. That may come out first.
I think think we're due a few archive releases next year. The Darkness box is supposedly almost ready, and there's a Devils & Dust tour DVD/CD in the pipeline. That may come out first.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Nikolai
()
Date: October 15, 2009 02:46
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LOGIEQuote
MKjan
Why all the malice towards mickscary? You espouse your right to talk about B. but fail to either understand or accept that someone may not like B and you can't tolerate this indifference, For me, B is boring, and his whole blue collar thing is very silly, but to insult mickscarey for having voiced a legit opinion.....is too much anger from ya's, and wasn't it posted that those that anger you control you. cheers.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when posters, having been corrected, change their view of an artist from "the last three albums all sound the same" to "no, he just sucks", I cannnot help but get the feeling that:
a) they don't know what they're talking about;
b) they don't actually have an opinion;
c) they have difficulty articulating anything other than "sucks";
d) they have absolutely nothing to add to any discussion beyond the kind of predictive-text-message toilet babble that an average street-corner, brain-dead nomark could conjure up.
Then again, I'm probably not too far off the mark in believing that such drivel might actually be YOUR idea of intelligent discourse.
Great points. Now there have been plenty of posts on here about bands I thoroughly LOATHE - Coldplay, Simple Minds (yeah, I know - they were supposedly good once ... I missed those three seconds of glory), Oasis, etc etc - but I won't waste my time contributing my opinions - variations of "shite", and "you must be a seriously joyless lump of humanity to dig them", because, well, who needs to read that? I will read the posts for amusement though. Especially about Coldplay.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 02:51 by Nikolai.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: October 15, 2009 02:47
Quote
LOGIEQuote
MKjan
Why all the malice towards mickscary? You espouse your right to talk about B. but fail to either understand or accept that someone may not like B and you can't tolerate this indifference, For me, B is boring, and his whole blue collar thing is very silly, but to insult mickscarey for having voiced a legit opinion.....is too much anger from ya's, and wasn't it posted that those that anger you control you. cheers.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when posters, having been corrected, change their view of an artist from "the last three albums all sound the same" to "no, he just sucks", I cannnot help but get the feeling that:
a) they don't know what they're talking about;
b) they don't actually have an opinion;
c) they have difficulty articulating anything other than "sucks";
d) they have absolutely nothing to add to any discussion beyond the kind of predictive-text-message toilet babble that an average street-corner, brain-dead nomark could conjure up.
Then again, I'm probably not too far off the mark in believing that such drivel might actually be YOUR idea of intelligent discourse.
Do you think your a) thru d) list can hold up when applied to the insults hurled at mickcarey. I do.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Elmo Lewis
()
Date: October 15, 2009 03:11
Yeah, WOAD wasn't as good as Magic, but a couple or three really good ones on there.
Thanks, charmed for "The Last Time".
Wish I could change my signature to "I told ya once and I told ya twice....."
Thanks, charmed for "The Last Time".
Wish I could change my signature to "I told ya once and I told ya twice....."
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
LOGIE
()
Date: October 15, 2009 03:25
Quote
MKjanQuote
LOGIEQuote
MKjan
Why all the malice towards mickscary? You espouse your right to talk about B. but fail to either understand or accept that someone may not like B and you can't tolerate this indifference, For me, B is boring, and his whole blue collar thing is very silly, but to insult mickscarey for having voiced a legit opinion.....is too much anger from ya's, and wasn't it posted that those that anger you control you. cheers.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, but when posters, having been corrected, change their view of an artist from "the last three albums all sound the same" to "no, he just sucks", I cannnot help but get the feeling that:
a) they don't know what they're talking about;
b) they don't actually have an opinion;
c) they have difficulty articulating anything other than "sucks";
d) they have absolutely nothing to add to any discussion beyond the kind of predictive-text-message toilet babble that an average street-corner, brain-dead nomark could conjure up.
Then again, I'm probably not too far off the mark in believing that such drivel might actually be YOUR idea of intelligent discourse.
Do you think your a) thru d) list can hold up when applied to the insults hurled at mickcarey. I do.
Why do you think it holds up?
Could you explain?
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: October 15, 2009 03:56
mickscarey's "zzzzz" comment is terse and to the point. It is a legit characterization of music that he finds boring. I find B's music to be boring as well, it doesn't move me. It was for this(zzzzz)post that he was called "a little piece of Sh#t". Do you think he should have been called that for this post?
I think the a-d list is a better fit for those who hurl insults than for those who express an opinion albeit on the other side of the fence from others' musical tastes. As for discourse, I suppose he was more interested in just voicing his opinion than trying to change anyone's mind.
I think the a-d list is a better fit for those who hurl insults than for those who express an opinion albeit on the other side of the fence from others' musical tastes. As for discourse, I suppose he was more interested in just voicing his opinion than trying to change anyone's mind.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
magenta
()
Date: October 15, 2009 05:25
As much as I dig the Boss. He should not ever ever attempt to cover 'Dark End Of The Street"
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: October 15, 2009 06:06
Quote
MKjan
mickscarey's "zzzzz" comment is terse and to the point. It is a legit characterization of music that he finds boring. I find B's music to be boring as well, it doesn't move me. It was for this(zzzzz)post that he was called "a little piece of Sh#t". Do you think he should have been called that for this post?
I think the a-d list is a better fit for those who hurl insults than for those who express an opinion albeit on the other side of the fence from others' musical tastes. As for discourse, I suppose he was more interested in just voicing his opinion than trying to change anyone's mind.
I'm the one who said it. Yes I stand by it. Rather than being a dick and saying zzzzz. Make a stab at being an intelligent human being and offer real reasons why you don't like the music. Or better yet,move on to something you do like. Besides mickscary is aslecs or some other person who does nothing but change names and use the internet as an instrument of hate. For that alone he needs to be called on. What are you,his agent, wife,lover,apologist? I don't hurl insults at people unless they hurl first. Either go back and do your homework or stay out of it.
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: October 15, 2009 06:29
Philly #2 10/14
Another barn burner at the Spectrum. Bruce has raised his game (and put the GS shows to shame already)
8:31
Patti and Max
1. Thundercrack
2. The Ties That Bind
3. WHAT LOVE CAN DO
4. Hungry Heart (smooth crowd surfing)
5. Working on a Dream
6. Badlands
7. Adam Raised a Cain (killer solo by Bruce)
8. Something in the Night
9. Candy’s Room
10. Racing in the Street
11. The Promised Land
12. Factory
13. Streets of Fire
14. Prove It All Night (Nils solo)
15. Darkness on the Edge of Town
16. Waitin’ on a Sunny Day
17. Sherry Darling w/ three accordions (request)
18. Human Touch
19. Long Walk Home
20. The Rising
21. Born to Run
22. Ramrod (birthday request)
23. Detroit Medley
24. American Land
25. Dancing in the Dark
26. Short, trumpet version of Gonna Fly Now (Theme from Rocky) --> Rosalita
11:14
Another barn burner at the Spectrum. Bruce has raised his game (and put the GS shows to shame already)
8:31
Patti and Max
1. Thundercrack
2. The Ties That Bind
3. WHAT LOVE CAN DO
4. Hungry Heart (smooth crowd surfing)
5. Working on a Dream
6. Badlands
7. Adam Raised a Cain (killer solo by Bruce)
8. Something in the Night
9. Candy’s Room
10. Racing in the Street
11. The Promised Land
12. Factory
13. Streets of Fire
14. Prove It All Night (Nils solo)
15. Darkness on the Edge of Town
16. Waitin’ on a Sunny Day
17. Sherry Darling w/ three accordions (request)
18. Human Touch
19. Long Walk Home
20. The Rising
21. Born to Run
22. Ramrod (birthday request)
23. Detroit Medley
24. American Land
25. Dancing in the Dark
26. Short, trumpet version of Gonna Fly Now (Theme from Rocky) --> Rosalita
11:14
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: October 15, 2009 07:25
No, I don't know mickscarey, who he/she is. My post was about the issue, not the person. I find it odd that you call for intelligent comments and then resort to such insults. Your insult was in response to his zzzzzzz, at least thats the quote you used with your response. I wouldn't call a comment that B is boring a hateful one.This thread is called Bruce Springsteen 2009, not the "Gotta Love Bruce or You're a piece of Sh#t" thread.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: October 15, 2009 14:41
Quote
MKjan
No, I don't know mickscarey, who he/she is. My post was about the issue, not the person. I find it odd that you call for intelligent comments and then resort to such insults. Your insult was in response to his zzzzzzz, at least thats the quote you used with your response. I wouldn't call a comment that B is boring a hateful one.This thread is called Bruce Springsteen 2009, not the "Gotta Love Bruce or You're a piece of Sh#t" thread.
Methinks thou dost protest too much. I dont see any criticism of anyone just for not liking Bruce Springsteen. Perfectly legitimate standpoint. The criticism is for the constant banal trolling, which - if you care to take a look at the poster's posting history on various threads - is something he specialises in. Odd that you choose to defend it by merely saying its 'terse and to the point'. Or could it be that it's just THIS subject you choose to tolerate his 'posting style'?
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
LOGIE
()
Date: October 15, 2009 14:41
Quote
MKjan
mickscarey's "zzzzz" comment is terse and to the point. It is a legit characterization of music that he finds boring. I find B's music to be boring as well, it doesn't move me. It was for this(zzzzz)post that he was called "a little piece of Sh#t". Do you think he should have been called that for this post?
I think the a-d list is a better fit for those who hurl insults than for those who express an opinion albeit on the other side of the fence from others' musical tastes. As for discourse, I suppose he was more interested in just voicing his opinion than trying to change anyone's mind.
If mickscarey happens to find Springsteen's or the Beatles' music as boring or whatever, then why does he (and "yourself", for that matter) have to post so many one-line insulting comments on these threads, especially when none of these moronic jibes have anything whatsoever to do with music. Can it be for any other reason than a childish attempt at trying to disrupt an otherwise intelligent and interesting discussion?
Is this what YOU want IORR to become? Namely, a series of hate-filled unintelligent, half-complete sentences by morons without the brain capacity to conjour up even a single argument from their heads?
And anyway, why ARE you so keen to defend him/her/it/yourself?
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
sweet neo con
()
Date: October 15, 2009 16:59
Gazza...if you're interested, Springsteen will be playing Born to Run (album) at their
upcoming Milwaukee show. Just tried to win great tickets from a classic radio
station. Had to be caller 96..I was 73. I would've invited you to fly over & come with me.
Gazza, Bruce...and me...together.
I'll keep trying.
IORR............but I like it!
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upcoming Milwaukee show. Just tried to win great tickets from a classic radio
station. Had to be caller 96..I was 73. I would've invited you to fly over & come with me.
Gazza, Bruce...and me...together.
I'll keep trying.
IORR............but I like it!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 17:00 by sweet neo con.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
mickscarey
()
Date: October 15, 2009 17:09
"Hate filled? The only hate I have seen was the person wishing I were dead.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
()
Date: October 15, 2009 17:26
Quote
sweet neo con
Gazza...if you're interested, Springsteen will be playing Born to Run (album) at their
upcoming Milwaukee show. Just tried to win great tickets from a classic radio
station. Had to be caller 96..I was 73. I would've invited you to fly over & come with me.
Gazza, Bruce...and me...together.
I'll keep trying.
It's gonna take The Wild The Innocent and The E Street Shuffle to get Gazza back across the pond.
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: October 15, 2009 18:13
Quote
sweet neo con
Gazza...if you're interested, Springsteen will be playing Born to Run (album) at their
upcoming Milwaukee show. Just tried to win great tickets from a classic radio
station. Had to be caller 96..I was 73. I would've invited you to fly over & come with me.
Gazza, Bruce...and me...together.
I'll keep trying.
A very unholy trinity, there. Two into one won't go.
Thanks for the thought, though and good luck with it!Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: October 15, 2009 19:43
Quote
Gazza
Methinks thou dost protest too much. I dont see any criticism of anyone just for not liking Bruce Springsteen. Perfectly legitimate standpoint. The criticism is for the constant banal trolling, which - if you care to take a look at the poster's posting history on various threads - is something he specialises in. Odd that you choose to defend it by merely saying its 'terse and to the point'. Or could it be that it's just THIS subject you choose to tolerate his 'posting style'?[/quote
Gazza, you may be right that I protest too much, but I feel there is such a high tolerance for Stones bashing on this Stones site, and such a low tolerance for indignation about other artists that some feel a need to post almost daily about. I am not interested, and surely not others, in epic writings about why B is so boring to me, but it is sometimes hard to remain quiet, and so yeah I fire off the occasional shot. I also read and enjoy many of the posts here and respond with more than just a jibe. I never intend to personally insult other posters though. The comment I was only referring to was mickscarey's zzzzz and it is a stretch to say that it is hateful. The comments he got back were closer to being hateful imo. Can someone point out a mickscarey comment that is hateful, or more hateful than calling him a piece of sh#t or wishing him dead? I can be very critical of other artists. It is a one sided deal where they have the microphone and the press, and a lot of what they do is almost fraud to me, often beyond the music. mickscarey may just be a diehard Stones fan, who doesn't care for most other rock music out there. I don't have a problem with his/her Stones loyalty on this Stones site. Some of it is actually refreshing after all the Stones bashing,,.....
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
Posted by:
Barn Owl
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Date: October 15, 2009 21:09
In isolation, "Band A sucks" isn't hateful, but when it is repeated continually, over and over again, it leaves most of us here with the impression that such obsessiveness is nothing more than vitriolic hatefulness.
...or put it another way; if he tried that in a bar, he'd soon end up getting killed.
...or put it another way; if he tried that in a bar, he'd soon end up getting killed.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
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Gazza
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Date: October 15, 2009 21:34
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Gazza
Methinks thou dost protest too much. I dont see any criticism of anyone just for not liking Bruce Springsteen. Perfectly legitimate standpoint. The criticism is for the constant banal trolling, which - if you care to take a look at the poster's posting history on various threads - is something he specialises in. Odd that you choose to defend it by merely saying its 'terse and to the point'. Or could it be that it's just THIS subject you choose to tolerate his 'posting style'?
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MKjan
Gazza, you may be right that I protest too much, but I feel there is such a high tolerance for Stones bashing on this Stones site, and such a low tolerance for indignation about other artists that some feel a need to post almost daily about. I am not interested, and surely not others, in epic writings about why B is so boring to me, but it is sometimes hard to remain quiet, and so yeah I fire off the occasional shot. I also read and enjoy many of the posts here and respond with more than just a jibe. I never intend to personally insult other posters though. The comment I was only referring to was mickscarey's zzzzz and it is a stretch to say that it is hateful. The comments he got back were closer to being hateful imo. Can someone point out a mickscarey comment that is hateful, or more hateful than calling him a piece of sh#t or wishing him dead? I can be very critical of other artists. It is a one sided deal where they have the microphone and the press, and a lot of what they do is almost fraud to me, often beyond the music. mickscarey may just be a diehard Stones fan, who doesn't care for most other rock music out there. I don't have a problem with his/her Stones loyalty on this Stones site. Some of it is actually refreshing after all the Stones bashing,,.....
I didnt actually SAY it was hateful, nor did I wish any malice on him. I personally have a low tolerance of trolls, regardless of what thread theyre posting in.
Seriously - if someone has nothing to add to a thread and sees a topic that they arent interested in, why hijack it with inane crap? The only point to that seems to be to wind people up. This guy has done this under various names for years - he was previously banned under another username.
There's plenty of threads here that should be of interest that he can contribute to. Like I said earlier, its a bit rich for someone to complain about OT threads when most of that person's recent posts are actually MADE in those threads.
Now if you want to debate 'fraud outside the music', I think you'll soon be opening up a whole other can of worms !
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-15 21:37 by Gazza.
Re: OT:Bruce Springsteen 2009
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MKjan
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Date: October 15, 2009 23:49
Seriously - if someone has nothing to add to a thread and sees a topic that they arent interested in, why hijack it with inane crap? The only point to that seems to be to wind people up. This guy has done this under various names for years - he was previously banned under another username.
Now if you want to debate 'fraud outside the music', I think you'll soon be opening up a whole other can of worms !
OK, I am not aware of past histories but I just did a search and while he/she takes a hardline with jabs, I still wonder if these jabs/opinions/inane crap are more readily dismissed than they actually hijack/ruin a thread. My occasional shot is more a reaction of frustration than just to wind someone up, although I realize that is probably an unintended result, and it is directed at the artist, not the poster.
As for the fraud debate,it is a sore spot for me, even affects my opinion about the music itself, but I will hold off, I am not here to piss people off, just want to have my voice, but this one is more like a can of snakes.
Now if you want to debate 'fraud outside the music', I think you'll soon be opening up a whole other can of worms !
OK, I am not aware of past histories but I just did a search and while he/she takes a hardline with jabs, I still wonder if these jabs/opinions/inane crap are more readily dismissed than they actually hijack/ruin a thread. My occasional shot is more a reaction of frustration than just to wind someone up, although I realize that is probably an unintended result, and it is directed at the artist, not the poster.
As for the fraud debate,it is a sore spot for me, even affects my opinion about the music itself, but I will hold off, I am not here to piss people off, just want to have my voice, but this one is more like a can of snakes.
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