I don't think the VILLAGE GREEN PRESENTATION SOCIETY album is psychedelic in the slightest.
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Quotesvt22 QuoteDandelionPowderman Ronnie's lead was indeed beautiful. As for Taylor, it seems he could at least use a bit more distortion, don't you think? Absolutely, but his playing skills have diminished drastically. I cannot make myself listen to him anymore - only some of his recent moments. That goes for the entire band actually, although it's great to see that Ron and Kei
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QuoteDandelionPowderman I think BAB was a step in the right direction after two so so albums. Yes, there are only 8 songs on the album. Then again, some of them are quite long. I don't agree on Keith being a spent force as a song writer, though. MM, HS, HOF, FTC, CM are all great, imo. But the most important thing with BAB is the fantastic production. GHS and IORR had a muddy (GHS) and
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QuoteDandelionPowderman I think the rockers on GHS are just as forced-sounding, Edward. RO, ADTL and RTJ, however, all have the energy and that little extra something which the rockers on GHS and IORR (apart from IYCRM and IORR) have, imo. I would disagree with you slightly there, Dandelion. 'Silver Train' and 'Star Star' in my opinion are preferable to rockers like '
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QuoteDandelionPowderman Dancing, Star Star and Silver Train were quite dominant tracks on GHS, and imo they are archetypical by numbers tracks. Yes, Dandelion, and 'All Down The Line', 'Rocks Off', and 'Rip This Joint' on EXILE ON MAIN STREET too. However, that's really besides the point that i'm trying to make. My feeling is the rocking songs on ITS
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IT'S ONLY ROCK 'N' ROLL is perhaps the first Stones album where the stones-by-numbers approach first came into play on a large scale. In other words the Stones were recording typical sounding Stones songs (many of the rocking variety) but without any real sense of conviction or inspiration behind their creation. 'If You Can't Rock Me', the cover 'Ain't Too
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QuoteDandelionPowderman PS: I see you omitted the line about MJ when you quoted my post, presenting it as I knock Taylor alone for not liking the SFM 73 versions. That's not true. There are several reason for that, Taylor is only one of them. Yes Dandelion, because your knocking of Taylor appears to be a constant, and with Jagger (and the rest of the band) it isn't. The autumn 73 show
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QuoteDandelionPowderman If I want noodling in maj-chords or some other semi-fusion approach I'd rather put on Time Waits For No One or the real thing; Santana from the early 70s. Again Dandelion, you keep knocking Taylor. Now, according to you, he's not the 'real thing', whatever that's supposed to mean. If you can't knock him in terms of the perceived decline i
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteStoneage Of course we all would have wanted Taylor to lift the whole band and sent it back to the days before Vegas. But that is just dreaming. It's not possible. If this is Vegas - then I really love Vegas You are of course entitled to your opinion, Dandelion, although i must say you are using a completely different criteria in which to judge the Stones
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QuoteDandelionPowderman but they still put on a more than fine show. Fine in your eyes, Dandelion, but what constitutes a fine show - them all showing up? (except for the inclusion of Taylor who may spoil things from time to time!). I don't find anything from this tour seriously worth a second listen, aside from a few of the extras Taylor brought back with him. Maybe there is a sens
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Quotesvt22 But then how do you want to define "loose" in musical terms? If you listen to Love in vain on ya ya's, it is played very loose, maybe the word relaxed is a better one, but at the same time it is well organized, meticulous as you put it, those two concepts can merge in one song. But I get your point, at least I think so. When they started performing with Taylor, a beau
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Quotesvt22 The '72/'73 tours were more loose, and Taylor started noodling more, which I like very much - the Taylor era is my favorite anyway, but we have to be careful. It's better to compare the same songs from different tours than comparing entire tours. In '69, they played JJF rather tight, (ya ya'), but when you listen to JJF Essen'70, it's as loose as you
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Quotesvt22 Wait a minute Edward, are you talking about the Stones when they played with Taylor in let's say, '69 ? Then they where loose, sleazy, sounded unsurpassed and intuitive. Absolutely my favorite Stones sound. The htw version played in Japan is a different era. This band sounds more abstract, strictly arranged, not to be mixed up with clinical. The htw intro takes a bit longer
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Quotesvt22 I agree on the drummer, as I wrote in my previous post here, SP is no Charlie, although he rocks. Indeed the band is sharper and tighter than they where with Keith and Wood, completely drugged out. To me these guys have soul, they swing, are more to the point -just more professional musicians, and the crowd went crazy. Just a relief to hear Jagger sing a Stones song with different musi
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QuoteJumpinJackOLantern QuotePaul Kersey His voice is too 'thin' now. He is a much better singer today though. I think his voice was at it's best probably in the early to mid sixties. I don't know how you can say that, JumpinJack. Jagger's voice has lost its raw vitality. Paul is correct - Jagger's voice is too thin now, and irritating. Back in the day his voice
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Quotesvt22 Quotetriceratops QuoteMisterDDDD This is like when Frank,Dean and Sammy when out on the road in the late 80s I think it was. Years past their prime. Dean new it was a joke and left the tour. They got Liza to fill in and still all are moms and dads paid big money to relive the past! Frank kept it up till he had to read a prompter for the lyrics... sad really. Lennon said they'd b
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QuoteDandelionPowderman A band without its muse, that writes Down In The Hole, Emotional Rescue, All About You and She's So Cold really has a better potential than most bands Dandelion, 'began to lose their muse' is what i actually wrote. The Stones were still recording some worthwhile material, and EMOTIONAL RESCUE, for me is more interesting than the Stones previous low point
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteEdward Twining QuoteDandelionPowderman I don't get the "too fast-thing", as songs like JJF and SFM were played in a neck-breaking speed in 1972... Yes, but they had SOUL. They had flash, not soul. IMO, this has soul, charm, the will to explore on stage, as well as interplay based on equality: No Dandelion, i don't quite agree. It is t
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QuoteDandelionPowderman I don't get the "too fast-thing", as songs like JJF and SFM were played in a neck-breaking speed in 1972... Yes, but they had SOUL.
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QuoteWitness QuoteEdward Twining Quotekleermaker They should have stopped after IORR of course, before all the stadium shit happened, the connection with big worldwide companies etc., which ended all artistic freedom and creativity (it was gone anyway). AFTER IT'S ONLY ROCK 'N' ROLL? I'd possibly say that was their most uninspiring album of the seventies. Maybe after SOME GI
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QuoteDandelionPowderman Horrible musically, really? Dandelion, what about 'Let Me Go', 'She's So Cold', 'Lets Spend The Night Together', 'Shattered' etc. I noticed you have picked a couple of those more downbeat and reflective songs, rather than the songs that are more of a true reflection of the 81 tour, where song after song is tossed off m
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Quotekleermaker They should have stopped after IORR of course, before all the stadium shit happened, the connection with big worldwide companies etc., which ended all artistic freedom and creativity (it was gone anyway). AFTER IT'S ONLY ROCK 'N' ROLL? I'd possibly say that was their most uninspiring album of the seventies. Maybe after SOME GIRLS and the 78 tour, perhaps, whe
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QuoteDoxa QuoteDandelionPowderman Or, turning things around a bit; how things became more versatile BECAUSE of the Mick and Keith conflict at the time. Rumours say that the album practically is their two solo albums... Well, I think that the best tracks in BRIDGES TO BABYLON - it is very uneven album - are so good because they are mainly solo efforts by Mick and Keith, That is, no cheap comprom
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Quotetriceratops QuoteStonesTod not quite up there with the officially-released one...and i have a few other shows mick did with carla & mac & compnay. - sway was a knockout everytime. you can see why jagger wouldn't want this "cluttering up" a perfectly good stones show, eh? People say this is Ian McLagen bashing away at the paino on the Mick+Carla Olson Sway? That is my
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteEdward Twining QuoteDandelionPowderman I know what was happening at the time musically. However, moving in the guitar hero direction (JJF, Texas 1972) made a unique band sound more similar to the vlassic rock bands and the early metal bands - a development I didn't particularly enjoy. This really doesn't have anything to do with taking risks, as Taylor in
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QuoteDandelionPowderman I know what was happening at the time musically. However, moving in the guitar hero direction (JJF, Texas 1972) made a unique band sound more similar to the vlassic rock bands and the early metal bands - a development I didn't particularly enjoy. This really doesn't have anything to do with taking risks, as Taylor in fact didn't improvise so much on stage
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QuoteDandelionPowderman What I don't like is when a musician is trying to become "bigger than the band or the song" in the soundscape - be it Wood or Taylor. It is the latter who, in his last year/couple of years on stage with the Stones, tended to go in that direction. Some of you like it, some don't. I prefer the 1969-tour, because I think they found the right balance back t
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QuoteDandelionPowderman What is "more musical" anyway? To me, Far Away Eyes is just as "musical" as Dead Flowers. That goes for the steel guitar solo vs Taylor's DF-solo as well. I can see the difference between Moonlight Mile and a more groove-based Beast Of Burden, though I believe you have just answered your own question, Dandelion. It's really not worth goi
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteEdward Twining QuoteDandelionPowderman You think so, I think otherwise For me, they're "obvious" in exactly the same way songs like Bitch, Rip This Joint and Star Star are... Those earlier albums, Dandelion, and especially the big 4 are just more musical, not just in a more elaborate sense, as in being more complex, but in all the components posse
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