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DandelionPowderman
'X factor is the competent Waddy Wachtel'
Nuff said...
Keith put together a fantastic live band and Waddy is the X factor in that live band to me. Keith himself shines when he is challenged. Keith needs the competence and the versatility of a Waddy to keep him focussed on the music. The Winos sound exactly like what we want them to sound like - loose and seemingly falling apart but are pulled tight just in the nick of time and somehow holding the groove together. It is what many of us have wanted from the Stones for along time. It is but one of the key missing ingredients in the professional and competent Jagger solo outfit. The Stones havent had a guitarist with the versatility or the caliber of Waddy Wachtel in a long time.
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DandelionPowderman
'X factor is the competent Waddy Wachtel'
Nuff said...
Keith put together a fantastic live band and Waddy is the X factor in that live band to me. Keith himself shines when he is challenged. Keith needs the competence and the versatility of a Waddy to keep him focussed on the music. The Winos sound exactly like what we want them to sound like - loose and seemingly falling apart but are pulled tight just in the nick of time and somehow holding the groove together. It is what many of us have wanted from the Stones for along time. It is but one of the key missing ingredients in the professional and competent Jagger solo outfit. The Stones havent had a guitarist with the versatility or the caliber of Waddy Wachtel in a long time.
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This is like when Frank,Dean and Sammy when out on the road in the late 80s I think it was. Years past their prime. Dean new it was a joke and left the tour. They got Liza to fill in and still all are moms and dads paid big money to relive the past! Frank kept it up till he had to read a prompter for the lyrics... sad really. Lennon said they'd be congratulating the Stones on being together 100the years cause they can't hack it on their own.
Here is Jagger doing great!!! What do you mean can't hack it on their opwn!! What a base insult!!! (/sarcasm) You gotta love his corny schtick before his singing starts. The Japanese loved it!!!! To pieces!!!
The guitarist/rest of the band is playing great too imo. Jagger returning to the Stones must have been for financial reasons only.
I think the band play much sharper and tighter than the Stones play, and perhaps have ever (and not in a good way) but they also sound somehow soulless, and just haven't got any kind of swing, and especially from a drumming perspective. I think Charlie as a drummer is often very undervalued by fans because he's not a flamboyant type of player (like for example Keith Moon), and yet this live version proves just how vital he is to the effectiveness of the overall Stones sound. The drummer here seems just intent on maintaining a constant (and irritating) beat, but Charlie really allows the song to open up and breathe within the economy of his playing. As i read somewhere once, it's not just what you play that matters, sometimes it's what you leave out that's just as important.
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kleermaker
Anyone expecting something special regarding Taylor? I mean him playing on more than his two regulars? I don't think so. The American tour will end quite normal I guess. Maybe, maybe a surprise in good old England.
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kleermaker
Anyone expecting something special regarding Taylor? I mean him playing on more than his two regulars?
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I agree on the drummer, as I wrote in my previous post here, SP is no Charlie, although he rocks. Indeed the band is sharper and tighter than they where with Keith and Wood, completely drugged out. To me these guys have soul, they swing, are more to the point -just more professional musicians, and the crowd went crazy. Just a relief to hear Jagger sing a Stones song with different musicians. The Rolling Stones sound isn't necessarily the standard to me, apart from Jagger's voice. Now people will kill me here for this, but I just love the eightees sound these guys produce. A matter of taste I'm afraid.
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Anyone expecting something special regarding Taylor? I mean him playing on more than his two regulars? I don't think so. The American tour will end quite normal I guess. Maybe, maybe a surprise in good old England.
I read somewhere Taylor couldn't find his slide when he played love in vain. I would love to hear how he solved that problem.
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I agree on the drummer, as I wrote in my previous post here, SP is no Charlie, although he rocks. Indeed the band is sharper and tighter than they where with Keith and Wood, completely drugged out. To me these guys have soul, they swing, are more to the point -just more professional musicians, and the crowd went crazy. Just a relief to hear Jagger sing a Stones song with different musicians. The Rolling Stones sound isn't necessarily the standard to me, apart from Jagger's voice. Now people will kill me here for this, but I just love the eightees sound these guys produce. A matter of taste I'm afraid.
Jagger sounds more vital, for sure, than he has ever since, perhaps. However, i don't agree with you with regard to the sound these musicians make. For me, their playing is too clinical, predictable, and soul LESS here, and part of the magic for me of the Stones playing, when they were at their best, was they were loose, and perhaps to a degree chaotic, in terms of their overall sound, but somehow, they still pretty much managed to hold it all together. I believe they managed to build a career out of playing on the edge, but rarely, if ever, crossing that line. They were, perhaps, pretty disciplined at making themselves appear to sound undisciplined, if you see what i mean. This group, for me, are just too well ordered by comparison, and lack a true rock 'n' roll spirit.
However, if you are talking strictly of the Stones today, i'm not necessarily of the view that their playing is especially unique, and incomparable. I believe it is possible to find Stones tribute bands who can approximate the sound of the Stones when they were in their prime, better the the Stones themselves can today, within their own brand of conservatism (or the bigger question is whether the Stones would ever really want to immitate their former live selves, live to such a degree, anyway!). That being said, of course, Jagger is irreplaceable as a singer/frontman, whoever was given his role, and Taylor's renewed playing within the group is also, for me, something that can still stand on its own merits. However, as many would say, who really wants a reproduction when you can have the real thing, even if they are still not even a shadow of their former selves.
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Anyone expecting something special regarding Taylor? I mean him playing on more than his two regulars? I don't think so. The American tour will end quite normal I guess. Maybe, maybe a surprise in good old England.
I read somewhere Taylor couldn't find his slide when he played love in vain. I would love to hear how he solved that problem.
Ronnie played it for him, from what I´ve heard. I don´t remember the name of the poster who was there, though.
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lazzzybones
Might as well remove this thread now.
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lazzzybones
Might as well remove this thread now.
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lazzzybones
Might as well remove this thread now.
Why is that, with concerts in London coming up?
Quite the contrary, I for one want to repeat my support to the plea of this thread:
We want Mick Taylor on more songs, please! For my own part, I want to add: If possible, on varying songs!
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I agree on the drummer, as I wrote in my previous post here, SP is no Charlie, although he rocks. Indeed the band is sharper and tighter than they where with Keith and Wood, completely drugged out. To me these guys have soul, they swing, are more to the point -just more professional musicians, and the crowd went crazy. Just a relief to hear Jagger sing a Stones song with different musicians. The Rolling Stones sound isn't necessarily the standard to me, apart from Jagger's voice. Now people will kill me here for this, but I just love the eightees sound these guys produce. A matter of taste I'm afraid.
Jagger sounds more vital, for sure, than he has ever since, perhaps. However, i don't agree with you with regard to the sound these musicians make. For me, their playing is too clinical, predictable, and soul LESS here, and part of the magic for me of the Stones playing, when they were at their best, was they were loose, and perhaps to a degree chaotic, in terms of their overall sound, but somehow, they still pretty much managed to hold it all together. I believe they managed to build a career out of playing on the edge, but rarely, if ever, crossing that line. They were, perhaps, pretty disciplined at making themselves appear to sound undisciplined, if you see what i mean. This group, for me, are just too well ordered by comparison, and lack a true rock 'n' roll spirit.
However, if you are talking strictly of the Stones today, i'm not necessarily of the view that their playing is especially unique, and incomparable. I believe it is possible to find Stones tribute bands who can approximate the sound of the Stones when they were in their prime, better the the Stones themselves can today, within their own brand of conservatism (or the bigger question is whether the Stones would ever really want to immitate their former live selves, live to such a degree, anyway!). That being said, of course, Jagger is irreplaceable as a singer/frontman, whoever was given his role, and Taylor's renewed playing within the group is also, for me, something that can still stand on its own merits. However, as many would say, who really wants a reproduction when you can have the real thing, even if they are still not even a shadow of their former selves.
Wait a minute Edward, are you talking about the Stones when they played with Taylor in let's say, '69 ? Then they where loose, sleazy, sounded unsurpassed and intuitive. Absolutely my favorite Stones sound. The htw version played in Japan is a different era. This band sounds more abstract, strictly arranged, not to be mixed up with clinical. The htw intro takes a bit longer here, the tempo a bit faster, so the guitarist has to play a bit more tight, but the basic fills he plays do the trick, they equal Keith's feel to me. The same goes for the drummer, it's all faster and more flashy, just like the guitar solo. The backing vocals are splendid, and the dynamics in this song are well calculated. Just a different approach, a different generation of musicians. Typically eightees.
As for the Stones today, no, I don't want to compare them to any era, I think they lack the energy to impress. And although all the musicians have their moments, they never seem to happen at the same time.
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So this is done and now: Mick Taylor ON AT LEAST 4 SONGS IN HYDE PARK!!!!! This is such a special place for a little special gig!!!
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svt22
Wait a minute Edward, are you talking about the Stones when they played with Taylor in let's say, '69 ? Then they where loose, sleazy, sounded unsurpassed and intuitive. Absolutely my favorite Stones sound. The htw version played in Japan is a different era. This band sounds more abstract, strictly arranged, not to be mixed up with clinical. The htw intro takes a bit longer here, the tempo a bit faster, so the guitarist has to play a bit more tight, but the basic fills he plays do the trick, they equal Keith's feel to me. The same goes for the drummer, it's all faster and more flashy, just like the guitar solo. The backing vocals are splendid, and the dynamics in this song are well calculated. Just a different approach, a different generation of musicians. Typically eightees.
As for the Stones today, no, I don't want to compare them to any era, I think they lack the energy to impress. And although all the musicians have their moments, they never seem to happen at the same time.
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Might as well remove this thread now.
Why is that, with concerts in London coming up?
Quite the contrary, I for one want to repeat my support to the plea of this thread:
We want Mick Taylor on more songs, please! For my own part, I want to add: If possible, on varying songs!
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Christmas in July, Hyde Park with MT :
Jumping Jack Flash (Paris 1970 style)
Gimme Shelter (Philadelphia 1972 style)
Sympathy for the Devil (Ya Ya's style)
Can't You hear Me Knocking (L.A. 2013 style)
Midnight Rambler (Philadelphia 2013 style)
Doo Doo Doo Doo (London 1973 style)
Street Fighting Man (Brussels 1973 style)
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Thrylan
RJ owned it, everything else is a variation on a theme, baby.....
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RJ owned it, everything else is a variation on a theme, baby.....
True enough! Apologies to the RJ, RIP.
But you know what I mean