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Anyone know if the Les Paul which can be seen on the cover of Get Yer Ya Yas Out!, is the same he used on the 1972 American tour?

It's not completely sure. There are conflicting statements by Taylor, and varying stories on which guitars got lost. Story line is that Taylor had two bursts when he joined the Stones -the Bigsby burst, and a 1958. He used the 1958 as back up to his SG, and can be seen on some rare pics of the England 1969 gigs, and it is the Burst on the cover.

Then the conflicting stories begin: there is a story he forgot one of his guitars on a train platform during the 1970 tour, there's a story he sold both Les Paul’s as he needed the money for whatever reason in 1971, and there was the burglary in July 1971.

According to Ted Newman Jones, he arranged half a dozen of Les Pauls (Bursts, Custom, Junior) for the Stones in late 1971 and early 1972 to replace the stolen instruments. Pictures of the 1958 Burst he used on the 1972 tour and later on in the early 1980’s does seem to show a different guitar than the 1958 one he used in 1970 –the burst was less faded, less yellow with more brown and red color to the top. But this is still not conclusive. For the 1973 tour he used Keith’s 1959 burst. He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

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He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

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Anyone know if the Les Paul which can be seen on the cover of Get Yer Ya Yas Out!, is the same he used on the 1972 American tour?

It's not completely sure. There are conflicting statements by Taylor, and varying stories on which guitars got lost. Story line is that Taylor had two bursts when he joined the Stones -the Bigsby burst, and a 1958. He used the 1958 as back up to his SG, and can be seen on some rare pics of the England 1969 gigs, and it is the Burst on the cover.

Then the conflicting stories begin: there is a story he forgot one of his guitars on a train platform during the 1970 tour, there's a story he sold both Les Paul’s as he needed the money for whatever reason in 1971, and there was the burglary in July 1971.

According to Ted Newman Jones, he arranged half a dozen of Les Pauls (Bursts, Custom, Junior) for the Stones in late 1971 and early 1972 to replace the stolen instruments. Pictures of the 1958 Burst he used on the 1972 tour and later on in the early 1980’s does seem to show a different guitar than the 1958 one he used in 1970 –the burst was less faded, less yellow with more brown and red color to the top. But this is still not conclusive. For the 1973 tour he used Keith’s 1959 burst. He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

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Anyone know if the Les Paul which can be seen on the cover of Get Yer Ya Yas Out!, is the same he used on the 1972 American tour?

It's not completely sure. There are conflicting statements by Taylor, and varying stories on which guitars got lost. Story line is that Taylor had two bursts when he joined the Stones -the Bigsby burst, and a 1958. He used the 1958 as back up to his SG, and can be seen on some rare pics of the England 1969 gigs, and it is the Burst on the cover.

Then the conflicting stories begin: there is a story he forgot one of his guitars on a train platform during the 1970 tour, there's a story he sold both Les Paul’s as he needed the money for whatever reason in 1971, and there was the burglary in July 1971.

According to Ted Newman Jones, he arranged half a dozen of Les Pauls (Bursts, Custom, Junior) for the Stones in late 1971 and early 1972 to replace the stolen instruments. Pictures of the 1958 Burst he used on the 1972 tour and later on in the early 1980’s does seem to show a different guitar than the 1958 one he used in 1970 –the burst was less faded, less yellow with more brown and red color to the top. But this is still not conclusive. For the 1973 tour he used Keith’s 1959 burst. He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

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Anyone know if the Les Paul which can be seen on the cover of Get Yer Ya Yas Out!, is the same he used on the 1972 American tour?

It's not completely sure. There are conflicting statements by Taylor, and varying stories on which guitars got lost. Story line is that Taylor had two bursts when he joined the Stones -the Bigsby burst, and a 1958. He used the 1958 as back up to his SG, and can be seen on some rare pics of the England 1969 gigs, and it is the Burst on the cover.

Then the conflicting stories begin: there is a story he forgot one of his guitars on a train platform during the 1970 tour, there's a story he sold both Les Paul’s as he needed the money for whatever reason in 1971, and there was the burglary in July 1971.

According to Ted Newman Jones, he arranged half a dozen of Les Pauls (Bursts, Custom, Junior) for the Stones in late 1971 and early 1972 to replace the stolen instruments. Pictures of the 1958 Burst he used on the 1972 tour and later on in the early 1980’s does seem to show a different guitar than the 1958 one he used in 1970 –the burst was less faded, less yellow with more brown and red color to the top. But this is still not conclusive. For the 1973 tour he used Keith’s 1959 burst. He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

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Thanks a lot!! Interesting read, and I agree concerning the difference in colors. I also noticed that the '72 guitar didn't have humbuckers, but I guess he could have changed them anyway (on the sg he changed the tuners before the european tour).

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Anyone know if the Les Paul which can be seen on the cover of Get Yer Ya Yas Out!, is the same he used on the 1972 American tour?

It's not completely sure. There are conflicting statements by Taylor, and varying stories on which guitars got lost. Story line is that Taylor had two bursts when he joined the Stones -the Bigsby burst, and a 1958. He used the 1958 as back up to his SG, and can be seen on some rare pics of the England 1969 gigs, and it is the Burst on the cover.

Then the conflicting stories begin: there is a story he forgot one of his guitars on a train platform during the 1970 tour, there's a story he sold both Les Paul’s as he needed the money for whatever reason in 1971, and there was the burglary in July 1971.

According to Ted Newman Jones, he arranged half a dozen of Les Pauls (Bursts, Custom, Junior) for the Stones in late 1971 and early 1972 to replace the stolen instruments. Pictures of the 1958 Burst he used on the 1972 tour and later on in the early 1980’s does seem to show a different guitar than the 1958 one he used in 1970 –the burst was less faded, less yellow with more brown and red color to the top. But this is still not conclusive. For the 1973 tour he used Keith’s 1959 burst. He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

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Interesting, and thanks for the info on the slide.

What LP has he been using since the 90’s/early 2000’s?

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The way he sells his Les Paul's makes me wonder if he really loves them at all ? Myself I want to take them with me when I go (of course I can't do that and at the same time I treasure them with every breathe I take )

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Some players are also gear heads and/or guitar collectors ... but for others the guitar is just a tool of the trade.

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The way he sells his Les Paul's makes me wonder if he really loves them at all ? Myself I want to take them with me when I go (of course I can't do that and at the same time I treasure them with every breathe I take )

My very own humble opinion is that Taylor doesn't give a f*ck about playing guitar. The only reason he picked one up in the last 25 years is because he needs to pay the rent. I don't think he has ever played the guitar just out of fun in the last 25 years, and certainly never properly rehearsed for a gig, including his Stones appearances.

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Anyone know if the Les Paul which can be seen on the cover of Get Yer Ya Yas Out!, is the same he used on the 1972 American tour?

It's not completely sure. There are conflicting statements by Taylor, and varying stories on which guitars got lost. Story line is that Taylor had two bursts when he joined the Stones -the Bigsby burst, and a 1958. He used the 1958 as back up to his SG, and can be seen on some rare pics of the England 1969 gigs, and it is the Burst on the cover.

Then the conflicting stories begin: there is a story he forgot one of his guitars on a train platform during the 1970 tour, there's a story he sold both Les Paul’s as he needed the money for whatever reason in 1971, and there was the burglary in July 1971.

According to Ted Newman Jones, he arranged half a dozen of Les Pauls (Bursts, Custom, Junior) for the Stones in late 1971 and early 1972 to replace the stolen instruments. Pictures of the 1958 Burst he used on the 1972 tour and later on in the early 1980’s does seem to show a different guitar than the 1958 one he used in 1970 –the burst was less faded, less yellow with more brown and red color to the top. But this is still not conclusive. For the 1973 tour he used Keith’s 1959 burst. He sold both LP’s in 1983 to fund a move to the U.S.

Mathijs

Interesting, and thanks for the info on the slide.

What LP has he been using since the 90’s/early 2000’s?

He's had a Bigsby equipped Les Paul copy until the early 90's, then a lot of Strat-type guitars and rented/borrowed Les Paul's for the 90's. He received a Custom Shop R9 for part's of the mids' 2000's whic he sold again, and during his time back with the Stones he borrowed a R9 Les Paul.

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The way he sells his Les Paul's makes me wonder if he really loves them at all ? Myself I want to take them with me when I go (of course I can't do that and at the same time I treasure them with every breathe I take )

My very own humble opinion is that Taylor doesn't give a f*ck about playing guitar. The only reason he picked one up in the last 25 years is because he needs to pay the rent. I don't think he has ever played the guitar just out of fun in the last 25 years, and certainly never properly rehearsed for a gig, including his Stones appearances.

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The way he sells his Les Paul's makes me wonder if he really loves them at all ? Myself I want to take them with me when I go (of course I can't do that and at the same time I treasure them with every breathe I take )

My very own humble opinion is that Taylor doesn't give a f*ck about playing guitar. The only reason he picked one up in the last 25 years is because he needs to pay the rent. I don't think he has ever played the guitar just out of fun in the last 25 years, and certainly never properly rehearsed for a gig, including his Stones appearances.

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I disagree. In the last 25 years he was very excited about A Stone’s Throw, the Hendrix stuff, and the Stones tour.

He also talks fondly about the guitars used back in the day. Could be a sore subject?

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The way he sells his Les Paul's makes me wonder if he really loves them at all ? Myself I want to take them with me when I go (of course I can't do that and at the same time I treasure them with every breathe I take )

My very own humble opinion is that Taylor doesn't give a f*ck about playing guitar. The only reason he picked one up in the last 25 years is because he needs to pay the rent. I don't think he has ever played the guitar just out of fun in the last 25 years, and certainly never properly rehearsed for a gig, including his Stones appearances.

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I disagree. In the last 25 years he was very excited about A Stone’s Throw, the Hendrix stuff, and the Stones tour.

He also talks fondly about the guitars used back in the day. Could be a sore subject?

I don't think he has done just one gig in the last 25 years where he properly prepared....and that's including the Stones gigs. These were totally unrehearsed, just winging it.

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The way he sells his Les Paul's makes me wonder if he really loves them at all ? Myself I want to take them with me when I go (of course I can't do that and at the same time I treasure them with every breathe I take )

My very own humble opinion is that Taylor doesn't give a f*ck about playing guitar. The only reason he picked one up in the last 25 years is because he needs to pay the rent. I don't think he has ever played the guitar just out of fun in the last 25 years, and certainly never properly rehearsed for a gig, including his Stones appearances.

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I disagree. In the last 25 years he was very excited about A Stone’s Throw, the Hendrix stuff, and the Stones tour.

He also talks fondly about the guitars used back in the day. Could be a sore subject?

I don't think he has done just one gig in the last 25 years where he properly prepared....and that's including the Stones gigs. These were totally unrehearsed, just winging it.

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That doesn't take away that - to me- he was still the most interesting player of the living trio.

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MT was concerned about his guitar set up and sound I have DVD's of his 80 and 90 shows with his band where he would not start the first song until he was satisfied. MT was a natural with his instrument and just go out a play he was a soloist. He was more concerned about the set up and sound. Some guitar guys have to practice playing brown sugar for the rehersals before each tour LOL.

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Some players are also gear heads and/or guitar collectors/anoraks [eg Joe Bonamassa]... but for others the guitar is just a tool of the trade.

MT has never been a guitar nerd or collector.

If you're him, and can easily borrow free of charge the best instruments available...why keep tens and even hundreds of thousands of pounds tied up in old guitars ?

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MT was concerned about his guitar set up and sound I have DVD's of his 80 and 90 shows with his band where he would not start the first song until he was satisfied. MT was a natural with his instrument and just go out a play he was a soloist. He was more concerned about the set up and sound. Some guitar guys have to practice playing brown sugar for the rehersals before each tour LOL.

Those 80's and 90's shows were horrible....He didn't give a flying f*ck about the gig. He didn't do a soundcheck, he went on and tried to get a decent sound throughout the first two songs or so, trying to work out how the rented amps worked. Low point was a gig were he tried to hide behind the amps to take a couple of lines of coke, but he wasn't aware he was in plain sight of the audience. He then stumbled on stage, drunk and coked up.

I know it is not nice to write these things, but there's a bit of frustration that such a talented guitarist listerally threw away his entire career because he was just too lazy and didn't care enough. And now he and his manager keep on screeming that the Stones robbed him of everything, while in reality he had it all and threw it away, and wasted all his earned money on drugs.

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Some players are also gear heads and/or guitar collectors/anoraks [eg Joe Bonamassa]... but for others the guitar is just a tool of the trade.

MT has never been a guitar nerd or collector.

If you're him, and can easily borrow free of charge the best instruments available...why keep tens and even hundreds of thousands of pounds tied up in old guitars ?

I know Mick Jagger commented this at one point. He said Keith really cares about his guitars, but to himself [Jagger], the guitar is just a tool.

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MT was concerned about his guitar set up and sound I have DVD's of his 80 and 90 shows with his band where he would not start the first song until he was satisfied. MT was a natural with his instrument and just go out a play he was a soloist. He was more concerned about the set up and sound. Some guitar guys have to practice playing brown sugar for the rehersals before each tour LOL.

Those 80's and 90's shows were horrible....He didn't give a flying f*ck about the gig. He didn't do a soundcheck, he went on and tried to get a decent sound throughout the first two songs or so, trying to work out how the rented amps worked. Low point was a gig were he tried to hide behind the amps to take a couple of lines of coke, but he wasn't aware he was in plain sight of the audience. He then stumbled on stage, drunk and coked up.

I know it is not nice to write these things, but there's a bit of frustration that such a talented guitarist listerally threw away his entire career because he was just too lazy and didn't care enough. And now he and his manager keep on screeming that the Stones robbed him of everything, while in reality he had it all and threw it away, and wasted all his earned money on drugs.

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Hard to argue you with you when everything you have written is well known and accurate and that's the rub or mystery of this most enigmatic talent that Mick Taylor is . It's almost like the same analogy of The Great Mickey Mantle who his skipper Casey Stengel said that he could have been better than The Bambino Babe Ruth if he only tried or applied himself . Maybe Mick Taylor's ego is just as big or even bigger than the Glimmer Twins combined ? This is all just a guess as I don't know the man personally .

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Low point was a gig were he tried to hide behind the amps to take a couple of lines of coke, but he wasn't aware he was in plain sight of the audience. He then stumbled on stage, drunk and coked up.

I know it is not nice to write these things, but there's a bit of frustration that such a talented guitarist literally threw away his entire career because he was just too lazy and didn't care enough. And now he and his manager keep on screaming that the Stones robbed him of everything, while in reality he had it all and threw it away, and wasted all his earned money on drugs.

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MT was concerned about his guitar set up and sound I have DVD's of his 80 and 90 shows with his band where he would not start the first song until he was satisfied. MT was a natural with his instrument and just go out a play he was a soloist. He was more concerned about the set up and sound. Some guitar guys have to practice playing brown sugar for the rehersals before each tour LOL.

Those 80's and 90's shows were horrible....He didn't give a flying f*ck about the gig. He didn't do a soundcheck, he went on and tried to get a decent sound throughout the first two songs or so, trying to work out how the rented amps worked. Low point was a gig were he tried to hide behind the amps to take a couple of lines of coke, but he wasn't aware he was in plain sight of the audience. He then stumbled on stage, drunk and coked up.

I know it is not nice to write these things, but there's a bit of frustration that such a talented guitarist listerally threw away his entire career because he was just too lazy and didn't care enough. And now he and his manager keep on screeming that the Stones robbed him of everything, while in reality he had it all and threw it away, and wasted all his earned money on drugs.

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MT was concerned about his guitar set up and sound I have DVD's of his 80 and 90 shows with his band where he would not start the first song until he was satisfied. MT was a natural with his instrument and just go out a play he was a soloist. He was more concerned about the set up and sound. Some guitar guys have to practice playing brown sugar for the rehersals before each tour LOL.

Those 80's and 90's shows were horrible....He didn't give a flying f*ck about the gig. He didn't do a soundcheck, he went on and tried to get a decent sound throughout the first two songs or so, trying to work out how the rented amps worked. Low point was a gig were he tried to hide behind the amps to take a couple of lines of coke, but he wasn't aware he was in plain sight of the audience. He then stumbled on stage, drunk and coked up.

I know it is not nice to write these things, but there's a bit of frustration that such a talented guitarist listerally threw away his entire career because he was just too lazy and didn't care enough. And now he and his manager keep on screeming that the Stones robbed him of everything, while in reality he had it all and threw it away, and wasted all his earned money on drugs.

Mathijs

Hard to argue you with you when everything you have written is well known and accurate and that's the rub or mystery of this most enigmatic talent that Mick Taylor is . It's almost like the same analogy of The Great Mickey Mantle who his skipper Casey Stengel said that he could have been better than The Bambino Babe Ruth if he only tried or applied himself . Maybe Mick Taylor's ego is just as big or even bigger than the Glimmer Twins combined ? This is all just a guess as I don't know the man personally .

I've always felt that the broad picture with MT is that he is possessed of huge talent but little in the way of direction or motivation.

[Not a criticism...something I've always suffered with, except I don't have the talent either ]

He needs a framework provided by somebody else in order to shine and give of his best . The Stones and John Mayall before them provided this platform.

If MT had joined another good band after the Stones, he may have enjoyed a further period of greatness.

But he didn't ...and its not so much that he lost his way ...he just no longer had a guide.

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and huge cojones to quit the Stones.