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astsu
I wonder from which London show are the live Tracks. Maybe a mix of both?
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ProfessorWolf
windcall seriously
i mean how can they have left off stuff like
munich hilton/jah is not dead/built that way/misty roads/what's the matter/your angel steps out of heaven/another half dozen objectively great some girls outtakes and keiths toronto sessions which i persoanly count as stones material
somethings up mick's not dumb there's no way he doesn't see the potential in these tracks he has to be planning some kind of use for them
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ProfessorWolf
windcall seriously
i mean how can they have left off stuff like
munich hilton/jah is not dead/built that way/misty roads/what's the matter/your angel steps out of heaven/another half dozen objectively great some girls outtakes and keiths toronto sessions which i persoanly count as stones material
somethings up mick's not dumb there's no way he doesn't see the potential in these tracks he has to be planning some kind of use for them
Some years ago I would have explained their reasoning behind this like "they're keeping them aside for future releases", but given the ever-shrinking sales figures of a slowly dying music industry I'm beginning to doubt that ten years from now, there'll even be dedicated archive releases of previously unreleased material.
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ProfessorWolf
windcall seriously
i mean how can they have left off stuff like
munich hilton/jah is not dead/built that way/misty roads/what's the matter/your angel steps out of heaven/another half dozen objectively great some girls outtakes and keiths toronto sessions which i persoanly count as stones material
somethings up mick's not dumb there's no way he doesn't see the potential in these tracks he has to be planning some kind of use for them
Some years ago I would have explained their reasoning behind this like "they're keeping them aside for future releases", but given the ever-shrinking sales figures of a slowly dying music industry I'm beginning to doubt that ten years from now, there'll even be dedicated archive releases of previously unreleased material.
I think there’s a few different things at play here:
1. Mick said in one of his recent interviews that he listens to the outtakes and if lyrics come to him, then he chooses that song to work on. He further explained that that was the reason why there were a number of covers for the Tattoo You anniversary - he didn’t have to come up with any lyrics for those songs. I also think Potted Shrimp/Tell Her How It Is from FFSO is further proof of that statement. He tried that song and couldn’t get far with it, so he abandoned it.
2.The record company wants to hold on to songs for future releases, especially once Mick and Keith have passed on. There are plenty of bands and musicians who have been broken up or have been dead for a long time and still manage to have new stuff released. The Stones have enough material out there to make it to their 100th anniversary (and beyond). Yes, sales have dwindled overtime for these types of boxed sets, but all it takes is the death of Mick or Keith, or a really good biopic of the band to create a resurgence of interest in their music.
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ProfessorWolf
windcall seriously
i mean how can they have left off stuff like
munich hilton/jah is not dead/built that way/misty roads/what's the matter/your angel steps out of heaven/another half dozen objectively great some girls outtakes and keiths toronto sessions which i persoanly count as stones material
somethings up mick's not dumb there's no way he doesn't see the potential in these tracks he has to be planning some kind of use for them
Some years ago I would have explained their reasoning behind this like "they're keeping them aside for future releases", but given the ever-shrinking sales figures of a slowly dying music industry I'm beginning to doubt that ten years from now, there'll even be dedicated archive releases of previously unreleased material.
I think there’s a few different things at play here:
1. Mick said in one of his recent interviews that he listens to the outtakes and if lyrics come to him, then he chooses that song to work on. He further explained that that was the reason why there were a number of covers for the Tattoo You anniversary - he didn’t have to come up with any lyrics for those songs. I also think Potted Shrimp/Tell Her How It Is from FFSO is further proof of that statement. He tried that song and couldn’t get far with it, so he abandoned it.
2.The record company wants to hold on to songs for future releases, especially once Mick and Keith have passed on. There are plenty of bands and musicians who have been broken up or have been dead for a long time and still manage to have new stuff released. The Stones have enough material out there to make it to their 100th anniversary (and beyond). Yes, sales have dwindled overtime for these types of boxed sets, but all it takes is the death of Mick or Keith, or a really good biopic of the band to create a resurgence of interest in their music.
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JordyLicks96
[www.rollingstone.com]
Some interesting notes about the Lost & Found tracks in this article:
The outtakes of outtakes aren’t as dubious as you’d think.
Given that Tattoo You was culled from sessions dating back to 1972-73, nearly a decade before its release, you’d think the remnants would truly be the dregs: tracks so lame the band passed on them twice? Sure enough, some of the cuts on Lost & Found: Rarities, like “Trouble’s a Comin’ ” and “Living in the Heart of Love,” are rote rockers, even if the guitar work on the former (uncredited) has a slithery allure.
But “Come Back to the Ball,” a mildly leering grinder that appears to have rarely leaked, recalls the Sticky Fingers era, and a remake of Dobie Gray’s “Drift Away,” from the It’s Only Rock ‘N Roll sessions, is charming and, for them, understated. We also finally get to hear a cleaned-up version of the Some Girls outtake “Fiji Jim,” a long-bootlegged Keith Richards raver that attains perfect decadent-Seventies sleaze. It’s too bad, though, that we don’t get to hear any of the rough early versions of these songs before they were manicured: What did “Waiting on a Friend” sound like during its gestation?
Thank God, or Jah, that they dropped the reggae version of “Start Me Up.”
Also included on Lost & Found is one of the earliest takes of that song, which was played reggae style at first. They made the right move in dumping those attempts: The version here is sluggish next to the take we all know.
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Taylor1
Traveling Man with finished lyrics would be better
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sbetz
CamRS,
Good points but I think the actual cache of "fully-finished" outtakes is scant despite what KR might claim.
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From Steve Hoffman's music forum
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OK - I've now heard Live at Wembley from this set - and.... I think it's the second night (unfortunately as I was at the first - see previous posts). Jagger's introduction to 'She's so Cold' is identical in its delivery to the partial video we have of night 2.. They then go into the song and the whole 'train wreck' intro guitar section has been cut out - the vocals come pretty much straight in.
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sbetz
CamRS,
Good points but I think the actual cache of "fully-finished" outtakes is scant despite what KR might claim.
I think Keith really means what he says even though he might be caught up in his own "rainbow/licorn" vision.
Take that Dean Goodman interview from 1998 :
[www.deangoodman.com]
He mentions a 1985 outtake “What You Gonna Tell Your Boyfriend?” that, according to him, has a real potential.
Well this track has circulated on the gray market and frankly it's not that remarkable (imo).
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Irix
Preview-Snippets of the 9 'new' Tracks + Wembley '82 - [www.Qobuz.com] , longer: [Music.Apple.com] .
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henrik87
Sounds good to me! But why did Mick add new vocs to Start Me Up? Also think that Fast Talking, Slow Walking sounded more authentic on Fully finished
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Irix
Preview-Snippets of the 9 'new' Tracks + Wembley '82 - [www.Qobuz.com] , longer: [Music.Apple.com] .
Sounds fantastic
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Mabru
Really curious who did the mixing of the Wembley show. I really hope it’s a Bob Clearmountain mix.