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Nate
I read that in Austria they are about to introduce a lockdown for unvaccinated people banning them from leaving the house for non essential purposes.
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If they get covid and get ill they might see much more than this thin needle. If they need intensive care they will get in touch with much more than a simple needle.Quote
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A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle.
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The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.
I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.
A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!
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The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.
I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.
A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!
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Nate
I read that in Austria they are about to introduce a lockdown for unvaccinated people banning them from leaving the house for non essential purposes.
I wonder how they can enforce this short of having police out on the streets checking people’s vaccination status.
Nate
I'm sorta ok with that, tired of the majority being punished for the sins of the minority.
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bv
The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.
I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.
A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!
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Not usually a fan of Gene Simmons but right on....
Jen Psaki, Gene Simmons take issue with Aaron Rodgers
[profootballtalk.nbcsports.com]
Today, Aaron Rodgers will rejoin the Packers after a tumultuous week and a half, during which COVID was arguably the least of his concerns.
His disastrous diatribe from eight days ago permanently has changed the way in which many will view him, and he’ll inevitably face a roomful of reporters who may have questions far tougher and pointed than any he ever has faced. (And he undoubtedly will be wearing a mask.)
When he’s next questioned by the media (he was able to avoid his midweek availability due to his COVID status, even though he appeared as usual on Pat McAfee’s show), Rodgers may get a question of two regarding comments made this week by the likes of White House press secretary Jen Psaki and KISS bassist Gene Simmons.
Asked on Friday about the Packers quarterback’s promotion of “dubious alternatives” to the COVID vaccine, Psaki said, “You know how we feel about misinformation. We’re against it.”
Simmons, appearing Wednesday on TalkShopLive, had a more pointed message.
“If you’re willing to walk among us unvaccinated, you are an enemy,” he said. ““I don’t care if you play football or not, stay away from evil people who don’t care about your health.”
In Rodgers’s followup appearance with McAfee, which seemed to be heavily influenced by the advice he may have received from a high-priced crisis-management specialists, Rodgers gave a half-hearted apology for the fact that he “misled some people about my status,” but he inevitably said, “I stand by what I said” about the vaccine.
After Sunday’s game against the Seahawks or during the Wednesday press conference in advance of Week 11, it will be interesting to see whether he answers questions about his decision to not get vaccinated and his decision to create the false impression that he was vaccinated, or whether he’ll play the Belichick “it’s already been addressed” card.
One thing he hasn’t addressed is the fact that he received only one fine, for attending a Halloween party (not organized by the team), and none for the multiple and blatant COVID protocol violations arising from his many mask-free press conferences conducted indoors with reporters present.
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Kovach, not totally sure this applies to your son but it may be useful. A friend of mine was part of this study (we caught Covid together in NY in March 2020) and every person in this study showed the "super immunity". I understand the risk of myocarditis but it is a risk with Covid infections too.
[www.npr.org]
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
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[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?
That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.
I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?
That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.
I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.
10 days is pretty short, I'd say, but if you can let me know that nothing happened to you after your flu shot, it would make me much more comfortable
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Nate
I read that in Austria they are about to introduce a lockdown for unvaccinated people banning them from leaving the house for non essential purposes.
I wonder how they can enforce this short of having police out on the streets checking people’s vaccination status.
Nate
I'm sorta ok with that, tired of the majority being punished for the sins of the minority.
I am vaxxed and I hope everybody in this world will do, but it's not the solution. If we keep behaving like we do, mother nature throws us out. Simple as that.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?
That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.
I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.
10 days is pretty short, I'd say, but if you can let me know that nothing happened to you after your flu shot, it would make me much more comfortable
I am all good. Got my flu shot the week before Vegas. Aside from the same 24 hour side effect I got after each Covid shot I am good. The only issue I have is spoons stuck to my forehead due to magnetism (jk).
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Got the flu shot & covid booster at same time 2 weeks ago. No problem. They have been doing that.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
I don't have any intention to start a discussion, I only try to answer a question from Nate and used The Lancet as reverence.......... in my opinion a good and trustworthy source.
And this was the answer on his question:
Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.
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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?
Nate
[www.thelancet.com]
Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.
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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.
If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.
I don't have any intention to start a discussion, I only try to answer a question from Nate and used The Lancet as reverence.......... in my opinion a good and trustworthy source.
And this was the answer on his question:
Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.
You forgot for a shorter time period. Partial information is misinformation.