The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.

I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.

A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!

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Yep, they do it: lockdown for unvaccinated people starting on Monday.

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A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle.

If they get covid and get ill they might see much more than this thin needle. If they need intensive care they will get in touch with much more than a simple needle.

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The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.

I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.

A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!

It's not that they are afraid of the needle per se, as you are aware. They've been 'brainwashed' unfortunately as this was made a political thing, completely unnecessarily.

It's ridiculous but here we are.

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The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.

I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.

A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!

I have 2 friends who fall into this category. They are being penalized by the selfish ones.

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I read that in Austria they are about to introduce a lockdown for unvaccinated people banning them from leaving the house for non essential purposes.
I wonder how they can enforce this short of having police out on the streets checking people’s vaccination status.

Nate

I'm sorta ok with that, tired of the majority being punished for the sins of the minority.

I am vaxxed and I hope everybody in this world will do, but it's not the solution. If we keep behaving like we do, mother nature throws us out. Simple as that.

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The virus will never go away, because there will be many people who never will take the vaccine, for some reason. So just make sure you are protected.

I read in the news that 8 million people in USA are unable to get immune. One of these people were a man age 40 or so, he got a kidney transplanted from his wife late 2019, and he must be on immune lowering medication for the rest of his life, otherwise his transplanted kidney will be rejected. So these 8 million people have to stay at home because some are afraid of the needle.

A recent news broadcast I watched said that 28% of all people (in USA) are afraid of the needle. I am afraid of creepy stuff like scorpions, heights, and fast driving cars when I cross streets on a red light, but really - the needle? A mosquito sting is some times more painful. Get your shots, protect others!

Folks who travel the world are probably more prone to take vaccinations. Between my business trips to India and The Phillipines I got so many jabs in both shoulders one more didn't bother me (although I will say the side effects of both the J&J and even worse for the Moderna booster were the worst I ever had, probably due to having Covid prior;I hope this doesn't become an annual thing but it's looking like it might).

From NPR

The Coronavirus Crisis: Europe and Russia battle a new wave of COVID-19

Another wave of COVID-19 is sweeping across Europe, setting new records in some countries.

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Records for daily infections have been shattered in recent days in Germany, the Netherlands and Austria. While deaths from COVID-19 are way down from last year in many European countries, Russia — with barely a third of its population vaccinated — has seen a steady two-month surge and now leads the world in total coronavirus deaths for the first time since the start of the pandemic. The Netherlands' government announced Friday the country will return to a partial lockdown starting Saturday in an effort to slow the spread of coronavirus cases. The World Health Organization's COVID-19 report for the week ending Nov. 7 showed that Europe, including Russia, was the only region with a rise in deaths from the virus, up 10%. Overall, new coronavirus cases were on the decline in most of the world, but were up 7% in Europe and 3% in Africa. Last week, the WHO's director for Europe, Dr. Hans Kluge, said the region "is back at the epicenter of the pandemic — where we were one year ago." A virologist at Warwick Medical School in the U.K., Lawrence Young, told Reuters that the latest surge is yet another hard lesson for Europe. "If there's one thing to learn from this it's not to take your eye off the ball," he said.

Vaccine hesitancy, waning immunity among the already inoculated and relaxed restrictions are all considered factors in the new wave, according to Reuters. Russian President Vladimir Putin has blamed the surge in new cases and deaths in there squarely on hesitancy, saying he can't understand why Russians are reluctant to get the country's Sputnik V vaccine. In Germany, where cases on Thursday surged to a new record of more than 50,000, the country's health minister, Jens Spahn, has said his country must do "everything necessary" to break the latest wave of the disease, Deutsche Welle reported. "The situation is serious and I recommend that everyone takes it as such," he said. Spahn and the head of Germany's Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases, Lothar Wieler, warned that intensive care units across the country were under severe strain from COVID-19 patients, particularly in the states of Saxony, Thuringia and Bavaria. Spahn said free COVID-19 tests will be offered again starting Saturday. Olaf Scholz, likely to succeed Angela Merkel as Germany's next chancellor, has called on people either to be vaccinated, recovered or have negative tests to go to work and for stricter rules to enter restaurants and cinemas. Nearly a third of Germany's population is not yet fully vaccinated, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Countries with high vaccine rates and strict mandates have generally fared better. By contrast, Portugal and Spain — where new cases have been minimal — top the European vaccination statistics, with rates in excess of 80%. Infections are also low in France, which has kept restrictions in place since summer, including a requirement to show a vaccine passport to do nearly everything. Austria — which has a vaccination rate similar to Germany's and has also posted record infections in the past week — appears to be days away from imposing a lockdown for anyone who is not fully inoculated. Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg has called a national lockdown for the unvaccinated "probably inevitable," adding that two-thirds of the population should not have to suffer because the other third refused to be vaccinated. If the federal government approves, Upper Austria will impose restrictions on the unvaccinated beginning Monday. Salzburg is considering similar measures. Schallenberg said the unvaccinated face an "uncomfortable" winter and Christmas. In the Netherlands, a three-week partial lockdown was announced Friday, Reuters reported. During a news conference Friday, caretaker Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the country will return to a partial lockdown starting Saturday — ordering all bars and restaurants to close at 8 p.m. and sporting events to be held without audiences. Dutch government officials also recommended that no more than four visitors be allowed in people's homes. Denmark, which has also seen a recent upswing in cases, this week ordered its people to present a pass in the form of a smartphone app when they enter bars, restaurants and other public places. It is also considering fast-track legislation to require a digital "corona pass" for employers, according to Reuters. While the United Kingdom saw a similar increase in cases last month, there are signs of a leveling off since then.

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Not usually a fan of Gene Simmons but right on....

Jen Psaki, Gene Simmons take issue with Aaron Rodgers

[profootballtalk.nbcsports.com]

Today, Aaron Rodgers will rejoin the Packers after a tumultuous week and a half, during which COVID was arguably the least of his concerns.

His disastrous diatribe from eight days ago permanently has changed the way in which many will view him, and he’ll inevitably face a roomful of reporters who may have questions far tougher and pointed than any he ever has faced. (And he undoubtedly will be wearing a mask.)

When he’s next questioned by the media (he was able to avoid his midweek availability due to his COVID status, even though he appeared as usual on Pat McAfee’s show), Rodgers may get a question of two regarding comments made this week by the likes of White House press secretary Jen Psaki and KISS bassist Gene Simmons.

Asked on Friday about the Packers quarterback’s promotion of “dubious alternatives” to the COVID vaccine, Psaki said, “You know how we feel about misinformation. We’re against it.”

Simmons, appearing Wednesday on TalkShopLive, had a more pointed message.

“If you’re willing to walk among us unvaccinated, you are an enemy,” he said. ““I don’t care if you play football or not, stay away from evil people who don’t care about your health.”

In Rodgers’s followup appearance with McAfee, which seemed to be heavily influenced by the advice he may have received from a high-priced crisis-management specialists, Rodgers gave a half-hearted apology for the fact that he “misled some people about my status,” but he inevitably said, “I stand by what I said” about the vaccine.

After Sunday’s game against the Seahawks or during the Wednesday press conference in advance of Week 11, it will be interesting to see whether he answers questions about his decision to not get vaccinated and his decision to create the false impression that he was vaccinated, or whether he’ll play the Belichick “it’s already been addressed” card.

One thing he hasn’t addressed is the fact that he received only one fine, for attending a Halloween party (not organized by the team), and none for the multiple and blatant COVID protocol violations arising from his many mask-free press conferences conducted indoors with reporters present.

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Not usually a fan of Gene Simmons but right on....

Jen Psaki, Gene Simmons take issue with Aaron Rodgers

[profootballtalk.nbcsports.com]

Today, Aaron Rodgers will rejoin the Packers after a tumultuous week and a half, during which COVID was arguably the least of his concerns.

His disastrous diatribe from eight days ago permanently has changed the way in which many will view him, and he’ll inevitably face a roomful of reporters who may have questions far tougher and pointed than any he ever has faced. (And he undoubtedly will be wearing a mask.)

When he’s next questioned by the media (he was able to avoid his midweek availability due to his COVID status, even though he appeared as usual on Pat McAfee’s show), Rodgers may get a question of two regarding comments made this week by the likes of White House press secretary Jen Psaki and KISS bassist Gene Simmons.

Asked on Friday about the Packers quarterback’s promotion of “dubious alternatives” to the COVID vaccine, Psaki said, “You know how we feel about misinformation. We’re against it.”

Simmons, appearing Wednesday on TalkShopLive, had a more pointed message.

“If you’re willing to walk among us unvaccinated, you are an enemy,” he said. ““I don’t care if you play football or not, stay away from evil people who don’t care about your health.”

In Rodgers’s followup appearance with McAfee, which seemed to be heavily influenced by the advice he may have received from a high-priced crisis-management specialists, Rodgers gave a half-hearted apology for the fact that he “misled some people about my status,” but he inevitably said, “I stand by what I said” about the vaccine.

After Sunday’s game against the Seahawks or during the Wednesday press conference in advance of Week 11, it will be interesting to see whether he answers questions about his decision to not get vaccinated and his decision to create the false impression that he was vaccinated, or whether he’ll play the Belichick “it’s already been addressed” card.

One thing he hasn’t addressed is the fact that he received only one fine, for attending a Halloween party (not organized by the team), and none for the multiple and blatant COVID protocol violations arising from his many mask-free press conferences conducted indoors with reporters present.

No matter what you think of his music, or attitude (I too am no fan of either), he is one heck of a business man.

So I have had Covid, got the vax (J&J), and the booster (Moderna). I've done about all I could. My wife has had Covid and the vax. (J&J) and planning on getting the booster (either Pfizer or Moderna).

My concern is my 20 year old son. Who has had Covid and the Vax (J&J). He was born 8 months early (my wife has Lupus which led to some of this), 2 lbs 12 oz at birth, got RSV & Pneumonia (which they also noticed a hernia for which he needed surgery, all before he was a year old), has struggled with some asthma, many bouts with strep, has ADHD, etc. The Myocarditis concerns with Pfizer and even more with Moderna, while small, concern me, the last thing I want to do is give him yet another issue to be concerned about.

Have read study after study about how T cells go up with various vaxes and having Covid but none really suggesting how many T cells you need to avoid being infected. I'm still leaning toward advising him to get a booster, probably Pfizer just because the mix of different vaxes seems to work better but still wonder after having covid and a Vax if it's really even necessary.

Lots of good info here but still not sure whst to make of it all:

[papers.ssrn.com]

[www.nature.com]

[www.medrxiv.org]

[www.cell.com]

[www.biorxiv.org]

[www.biorxiv.org]

[www.medrxiv.org]

[www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[www.thelancet.com]

[www.medrxiv.org]

[www.medrxiv.org]

[rupress.org]

[www.nature.com]

[www.biorxiv.org]

[www.biorxiv.org]

Kovach, not totally sure this applies to your son but it may be useful. A friend of mine was part of this study (we caught Covid together in NY in March 2020) and every person in this study showed the "super immunity". I understand the risk of myocarditis but it is a risk with Covid infections too.

[www.npr.org]

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Kovach, not totally sure this applies to your son but it may be useful. A friend of mine was part of this study (we caught Covid together in NY in March 2020) and every person in this study showed the "super immunity". I understand the risk of myocarditis but it is a risk with Covid infections too.

[www.npr.org]

Thanks man I'll check it out!

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.



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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

Thank you very much.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?

I'm a GHOST living in a ghost town

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?

That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.

I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?

That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.

I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.

10 days is pretty short, I'd say, but if you can let me know that nothing happened to you after your flu shot, it would make me much more comfortable

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?

That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.

I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.

10 days is pretty short, I'd say, but if you can let me know that nothing happened to you after your flu shot, it would make me much more comfortable

I am all good. Got my flu shot the week before Vegas. Aside from the same 24 hour side effect I got after each Covid shot I am good. The only issue I have is spoons stuck to my forehead due to magnetism (jk).

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I read that in Austria they are about to introduce a lockdown for unvaccinated people banning them from leaving the house for non essential purposes.
I wonder how they can enforce this short of having police out on the streets checking people’s vaccination status.

Nate

I'm sorta ok with that, tired of the majority being punished for the sins of the minority.

I am vaxxed and I hope everybody in this world will do, but it's not the solution. If we keep behaving like we do, mother nature throws us out. Simple as that.

I am vaccinated because I think it’s the smart thing to do but I very strongly believe it should always be a personal choice and people should not be penalised for declining to have it.

This move by the authorities in Austria I think is outrageous and if I were an unvaccinated person living in Austria I would not be complying.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I agree with you daspyknows. As a former analytical chemist and IT security specialist I found it terribly difficult to explain things to people who are far away from statistical math and science. One plus one is really two, despite the fact that the media want you to believe it's "three". Really in most cases it's a waste of energy.
What is a bit of a question to me currently, haven't found anything on this, is the possible impact of getting the yearly flu vaccination on the efficiency of our bodies to deal with Covid-19. Will it slow down the making of antibodies for Covid-19 (for a while?) or will the two processes go along fine? The same off course when getting a booster vaccination for Covid-19 (in our case about a month after we receive the flu vaccin). Will the impact of the flu vaccin weaken after a Covid-19 booster vaccination?

That's a second or third derivative questions of do the vaccines work and are they safe. It would be interesting to see and I could see it going either way in theory. I don't think there would even be a study on that.

I got my flu shot 10 days after my Covid booster. Hopefully I do not need to worry this winter since I also had Covid.

10 days is pretty short, I'd say, but if you can let me know that nothing happened to you after your flu shot, it would make me much more comfortable

I am all good. Got my flu shot the week before Vegas. Aside from the same 24 hour side effect I got after each Covid shot I am good. The only issue I have is spoons stuck to my forehead due to magnetism (jk).

I think their giving both the flu & covid shots at the same time if you want them.

Got the flu shot & covid booster at same time 2 weeks ago. No problem. They have been doing that.

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Got the flu shot & covid booster at same time 2 weeks ago. No problem. They have been doing that.

I heard a fair time ago Moderna has plans in the future for a joint covid/flu booster every year.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I don't have any intention to start a discussion, I only try to answer a question from Nate and used The Lancet as reverence.......... in my opinion a good and trustworthy source.

And this was the answer on his question:
Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I don't have any intention to start a discussion, I only try to answer a question from Nate and used The Lancet as reverence.......... in my opinion a good and trustworthy source.

And this was the answer on his question:
Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.

You forgot for a shorter time period. Partial information is misinformation.

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Does anyone know where information can be found on the chances of a vaccinated person passing on the virus to others versus an unvaccinated person passing on the virus?

Nate

[www.thelancet.com]

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

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Personally I didn't need this article, My guess is that a virus make no differences on who it will infect vaccinated or unvaccinated and if you are infected you can spread it.

If does make a difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated. It takes a lot more virus to infect a vaccinated person since the body can defend it. Why else would the hospitals and morgues be full of unvaccinated. Those who are vaccinated are most likely to get infected in places with a high prevalence of virus. In those environments those who are unvaccinated are also at much higher risk. Its a statistical exercise but those who do not understand math or science don't understand the risk.

I don't have any intention to start a discussion, I only try to answer a question from Nate and used The Lancet as reverence.......... in my opinion a good and trustworthy source.

And this was the answer on his question:
Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.

You forgot for a shorter time period. Partial information is misinformation.

Indeed. And any misinformation is backed by a political agenda, or a plain stupidity - or, even more horrible for human dignity, the egoist drive to have some excuse to save a little poor, frightened soul of me, me, me.. ('needle, how awful! etc. )

- Doxa



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2021-11-19 01:47 by Doxa.

Interesting take on booster data:

Pros/Cons Debate on Boosters