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You just touched upon an issue that is a major concern of mine when you mentioned IT Security . For me this stops me dead in my tracks in not trusting to use plastic and ID Theft . That is a major problem in my eyes that is just getting worse and worse .Quote
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The USA are pretty unique when it comes to legal issues. For the Stones I could be equally annoying ... fans who already have tickets, but not allowed to get in without vaccination proof ... or vaccinated fans going to court when they find out they are infected with Covid-any Greek character during a Stones concert ... (and as such putting others in danger).
It may be better to wait until the Covid-alpha, beta, gamma, delta, (ipsylon?) storm is really over. Okay, a small breeze should be okay, I'd say.
But ... if the Stones decide to go ahead, well, what choice do I have? Just get me an available concert ticket to any place in the USA (but preferably the West )
If you're vaccinated who cares? Low chance of catching, and lower chance of hospitalization and even lower chance of death.
How much stuff have you avoided after you got the flu shot?
You're right. After the flu shot (once a year) I, like many I guess, go on with daily life as usual. Last year November I also had a flu shot, but was already in Covid protection mode. The only thing I thought was that by having the flu shot, my body was already "forced" to make antibodies. Not antibodies for Covid, but still, the "machine" was being "oiled", in other words, not sleeping. As of May 12 I'm fully Phizered.
But I also want to say, that the worst post WW2 flu was 10 times less deadly than Covid, which make quite a difference in my mindsetting. I would not enter a space filled with a deadly gas, even when having the best high quality gas mask available. I also would not eat Japanese Blowfish, even if it's prepared by the best Japanese masterchef Knowing about the depth of IT security (you don't really want to know ...) makes you think twice in what way you (want to) use Internet, mobile phone IT communication, etc. Nothing is perfect, but fooling yourself while fed with pre-knowledge, would really make a fool of your(read: my)self.
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The USA are pretty unique when it comes to legal issues. For the Stones I could be equally annoying ... fans who already have tickets, but not allowed to get in without vaccination proof ... or vaccinated fans going to court when they find out they are infected with Covid-any Greek character during a Stones concert ... (and as such putting others in danger).
It may be better to wait until the Covid-alpha, beta, gamma, delta, (ipsylon?) storm is really over. Okay, a small breeze should be okay, I'd say.
But ... if the Stones decide to go ahead, well, what choice do I have? Just get me an available concert ticket to any place in the USA (but preferably the West )
If you're vaccinated who cares? Low chance of catching, and lower chance of hospitalization and even lower chance of death.
How much stuff have you avoided after you got the flu shot?
You're right. After the flu shot (once a year) I, like many I guess, go on with daily life as usual. Last year November I also had a flu shot, but was already in Covid protection mode. The only thing I thought was that by having the flu shot, my body was already "forced" to make antibodies. Not antibodies for Covid, but still, the "machine" was being "oiled", in other words, not sleeping. As of May 12 I'm fully Phizered.
But I also want to say, that the worst post WW2 flu was 10 times less deadly than Covid, which make quite a difference in my mindsetting. I would not enter a space filled with a deadly gas, even when having the best high quality gas mask available. I also would not eat Japanese Blowfish, even if it's prepared by the best Japanese masterchef Knowing about the depth of IT security (you don't really want to know ...) makes you think twice in what way you (want to) use Internet, mobile phone IT communication, etc. Nothing is perfect, but fooling yourself while fed with pre-knowledge, would really make a fool of your(read: my)self.
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Today I read in the Belgium newspaper: Bad news for music lovers who wanted to go to a Bruce Springsteen concert on Broadway next week and got two shots with the AstraZeneca vaccine: they can't get in. Canadian fans who do not have to travel far to New York are especially affected.
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Today I read in the Belgium newspaper: Bad news for music lovers who wanted to go to a Bruce Springsteen concert on Broadway next week and got two shots with the AstraZeneca vaccine: they can't get in. Canadian fans who do not have to travel far to New York are especially affected.
OK...I had to look this up:
[ottawa.ctvnews.ca]
I get the logic...only vaccines approved by the FDA. Not fair but at least the logic holds.
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Not seeing the "not fair" part of this tbh.
As a fully vaxxed person who can't even cross the Canadian border to visit family, I think the FDA requirement (required by NY State) is fair and makes sense tbh…
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Not seeing the "not fair" part of this tbh.
As a fully vaxxed person who can't even cross the Canadian border to visit family, I think the FDA requirement (required by NY State) is fair and makes sense tbh…
I thought that the US FDA decline to approve Astra Zeneca because of the perceived risk of complications, not due to efficacy. In the context of reopening, if that is correct, then refusing entry to people who have had it doesn’t really scan…we are effectively vaccinated. Maybe the position will change when they realize how many tourists from Canada, UK and other countries will not be able to spend their money Stateside.
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Not seeing the "not fair" part of this tbh.
As a fully vaxxed person who can't even cross the Canadian border to visit family, I think the FDA requirement (required by NY State) is fair and makes sense tbh…
I thought that the US FDA decline to approve Astra Zeneca because of the perceived risk of complications, not due to efficacy. In the context of reopening, if that is correct, then refusing entry to people who have had it doesn’t really scan…we are effectively vaccinated. Maybe the position will change when they realize how many tourists from Canada, UK and other countries will not be able to spend their money Stateside.
Believe Astra Zeneca never submitted their vaccine for emergency FDA approval.
Your point is a good one if they had.
Clearly tourism dollars are vital and important to all involved.
Canada/US border closings and restrictions are a bit different in that we are so connected.. but Canada isn't letting my fully vaxxed ass up to visit either it should be pointed out, to see family much less catch a show
AstraZeneca Weighs Seeking Full U.S. Approval for Covid Shot, Skipping Emergency-Use Application
British drugmaker faces challenges gathering data; may wait to apply for full approval by the FDA, which takes longer
[www.wsj.com]
Canada extends U.S. travel restrictions through July 21
WASHINGTON, June 18 (Reuters) - Canada said Friday it will extend restrictions that bar non-essential travel at U.S. land borders until at least July 21.
[www.reuters.com]
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I understand they didn't file for approval in the US, but they filed in the EU and Canada, yes?...isn't that good enough for the US?
It's 2021...doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that the US FDA doesn't accept the approval-stamp of whatever EU or Canadian agency approved Astrazeneca?
I mean...are US standards THAT much higher than the EU or Canada? Are they even higher at all??
all this adds up to (to me) is more red-tape gov't nonsense and another great "follow the science" moment...
OK...sure....which science would you like me to follow? The FDAs or the EUs?
B/c if I follow the latter, I can't see Bruce....
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I understand they didn't file for approval in the US, but they filed in the EU and Canada, yes?...isn't that good enough for the US?
It's 2021...doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that the US FDA doesn't accept the approval-stamp of whatever EU or Canadian agency approved Astrazeneca?
I mean...are US standards THAT much higher than the EU or Canada? Are they even higher at all??
all this adds up to (to me) is more red-tape gov't nonsense and another great "follow the science" moment...
OK...sure....which science would you like me to follow? The FDAs or the EUs?
B/c if I follow the latter, I can't see Bruce....
Nonsense.
It's the first full opening of a Broadway show for chrissakes, and I don't see many other countries letting me in to be entertained yet.
Also, it's a non-issue soon enough, as all counties will be adapting.
What does the end of NY Covid rules mean for concerts, sports, shows?
The end of New York’s Covid-19 rules means big changes for concerts, sports and shows in the state.
Indoor and outdoor stadiums, theaters, arenas, concert venues and event spots of any size can now operate at 100% capacity, with every seat full, regardless of whether everyone is vaccinated or not, according to Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s office.
Big indoor venues have to follow extra rules to get to that point, but even they can do it.
[www.syracuse.com]
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From CBS News:
As far as Stones fans go, I’d assume many shows would easily be over the 70% mark.
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From CBS News:
As far as Stones fans go, I’d assume many shows would easily be over the 70% mark.
Not in the south. Still stalled in the mid-30s in Mississippi and Louisiana, for example.
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Herd immunity is simply not possible if ALL are vaccinated...FACT.
Please don't get me wrong, but I simply do not understand that sentence.
Is there a word missing? What am I not getting about the meaning??
Is there a meaning?
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From CBS News:
As far as Stones fans go, I’d assume many shows would easily be over the 70% mark.
Not in the south. Still stalled in the mid-30s in Mississippi and Louisiana, for example.
Just based on some of those figures it's probably going to be a situation where COVID will keep evolving and we'll churn through this in some fashion for a few years as we go through new variants. Hopefully it eventually sinks in with more people that the vaccine is actually a path out of this.
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From CBS News:
As far as Stones fans go, I’d assume many shows would easily be over the 70% mark.
Not in the south. Still stalled in the mid-30s in Mississippi and Louisiana, for example.
Just based on some of those figures it's probably going to be a situation where COVID will keep evolving and we'll churn through this in some fashion for a few years as we go through new variants. Hopefully it eventually sinks in with more people that the vaccine is actually a path out of this.
As long as it's not AstraZenica. That path is foggy at the moment, apparently.
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I wonder what the actual percentage is of unvaccinated NFL players - there seems to be quite a few.
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I wonder what the actual percentage is of unvaccinated NFL players - there seems to be quite a few.
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^ He is now threatening to retire. Go retire. Not like he can make $4 million a year being a covidiot.
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^ He is now threatening to retire. Go retire. Not like he can make $4 million a year being a covidiot.
Yeah man, retire. They are hiring plenty greeters at Wally World so its not like you are going to starve. Oh, they require vaxxes there too? Maybe you should suck it up and get it done and save your NFL "career".
It is probably the repeated concussions talking. When the steroids wear off maybe he will reconsider.
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