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Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
No one knows when the next pandemic will hit. It's not an every 100 years thing. Another could hit this year, or it could be 200 years from now. Don't get hung up on the 100 years thing.
I fear that if/when there's a more contagious, deadly pandemic, the COVID pandemic will have instilled problematic thought patterns, when it comes to pandemics.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
No one knows when the next pandemic will hit. It's not an every 100 years thing. Another could hit this year, or it could be 200 years from now. Don't get hung up on the 100 years thing.
I fear that if/when there's a more contagious, deadly pandemic, the COVID pandemic will have instilled problematic thought patterns, when it comes to pandemics.
Citing the factual statistic is a far cry from "hung up" on.
Just a factor, as it should be.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
For those grasping at any/all negatives they can before reading or researching, incentives so far have been for all those vaccinated, not just newly.
Takes the "what about those that already got their shot" whine off the table.
Wouldn't matter to me either way tbh, but again for those unable to research.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
Note the anti crowd is against this. Those supporting masks, vaccines, vaccine passports don't have an issue with it. SSDD.
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So far in Norway as many as 90% do say YES to the covid-19 vaccine, when offered it. This will make the pandemic go away by 2-3 months time in Norway, during the summer months.
[www.aftenposten.no]
Have you noticed the pandemic went away last year in the summer without vaccinations.
Covid seems to replicate the flu season in Europe, it's a winter nightmare.
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stickyfingers101
Not sure if this is aimed at me. If so, I think we have a misunderstanding. No worries, if that's the case.
I'm definitely not a "what about me?" whiner.
My point was this creates the potential for more "what about me/what about my prize?" whiners NEXT TIME around....ie. Next Pandemic or Next Booster (the latter of which I would bet my left-ball is gonna be this fall/winter).
IMO, we shouldn't be incentivizing hesitancy nor should we be normalizing the expectation of "prizes" in this context...
once you give...it's hard to take it back...and I think we are more like Pavlov's Dogs than we like to admit....
there's a reason you don't buy your kid a candy bar in the checkout line at the supermarket just for "behaving" (or for any reason for that matter, IMO)....
expectations/incentives of this sort can lead to a lot of negative externalities, IMO.
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MisterDDDD
Big step towards returning to "normalcy".
C.D.C. Says Vaccinated People Can Go Maskless in Most Places
In a sharp turnabout from previous recommendations, federal health officials on Thursday advised that Americans who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus may stop wearing masks or maintaining social distance in most indoor and outdoor settings, regardless of size.
The advice from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention comes as welcome news to Americans who have tired of restrictions and marks a watershed moment in the pandemic. Masks ignited controversy in communities across the United States, symbolizing a bitter partisan divide over approaches to the pandemic and a badge of political affiliation.
“The science is clear: If you are fully vaccinated, you are protected, and you can start doing the things that you stopped doing because of the pandemic,” the C.D.C. said in a statement on Thursday.
[www.nytimes.com]
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MisterDDDD
Big step towards returning to "normalcy".
C.D.C. Says Vaccinated People Can Go Maskless in Most Places
In a sharp turnabout from previous recommendations, federal health officials on Thursday advised that Americans who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus may stop wearing masks or maintaining social distance in most indoor and outdoor settings, regardless of size.
The advice from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention comes as welcome news to Americans who have tired of restrictions and marks a watershed moment in the pandemic. Masks ignited controversy in communities across the United States, symbolizing a bitter partisan divide over approaches to the pandemic and a badge of political affiliation.
“The science is clear: If you are fully vaccinated, you are protected, and you can start doing the things that you stopped doing because of the pandemic,” the C.D.C. said in a statement on Thursday.
[www.nytimes.com]
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Hesitancy/Incentives/etc.
personally, I think we need a MICRO-approach to the "hesitancy" issue.
that is, we need to find LOCAL Community Leaders IN the communities where "hesitancy" is higher.....Community Leaders who are NOT hesitant themselves
it is those people who know the communities, know the people and the people know them....
hence, these are the people who can break down hesitancy-barriers b/c reducing hesitancy is about building trust, IMO.
that doesn't come from Washington DC, doesn't come from strangers, doesn't come from insults and disdain, doesn't come from TV.....and financial incentives only last as long as they keep coming in.
Trust comes from local people building that trust w/in the communities they live and work....with people they know and care about.
Case in point:
[www.npr.org]
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Doctors fear COVID-19 vaccines are messing with mammograms
Radiologists have long known that a recent dose of vaccine for shingles, tetanus or flu can cause lymph nodes to appear slightly swollen. But the sudden appearance of so many swollen lymph nodes, in so many women, came as a shock. In many cases, so was the size of the swelling.
“They seemed to be more prominent,” said Dr. Constance Lehman, chief of breast imaging at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. “We had seen mildly enlarged nodes with prior vaccinations but not to this degree.”
“There’s a lot that’s unknown,” Mullen said.
[www.latimes.com]
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Hairball
For what it's worth, considering the L.A. Times leans to the left, I doubt they would ever promote or publish something that would be considered "anti-vaxxer nonsense".
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For what it's worth, considering the L.A. Times leans to the left, I doubt they would ever promote or publish something that would be considered "anti-vaxxer nonsense".
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bleedingman
There is no data as to long term effects. When I weigh the odds of me getting Covid and recovering, as opposed to being a lab rat, I'll take my chances.
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Hairball
You're initial reaction of "To me it is just more anti-vaxxer nonsense" was seemingly directed at the article and the newspaper itself - thanks for clarifying.
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In other news...
Bill Maher tests positive for Covid-19
Coronavirus
Bill Maher, the host of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," has tested positive for coronavirus, the show announced in a tweet Thursday evening.
"Bill tested positive during weekly staff PCR testing for COVID," the show announced. "He is fully vaccinated and as a result is asymptomatic and feels fine."
Due to Maher's positive test result, the show's taping scheduled for Friday has been canceled and will be rescheduled at a later date, the show said.
"Real Time production has taken every precaution following COVID CDC guidelines," the show said. "No other staff or crew members have tested positive at this time.
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You're initial reaction of "To me it is just more anti-vaxxer nonsense" was seemingly directed at the article and the newspaper itself - thanks for clarifying.
That was not my intent. The anti-vaxxer nonsense was directed at the poster who doesn't want to be a lab rat so he spreads fear tactics. This article is behind a pay wall and he provides a few sentences without context. If he doesn't want to take the shot its his choice and he may suffer the consequences of his actions but spreading fear and misinformation so others don't get vaccinated is wrong.
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For what it's worth, considering the L.A. Times leans to the left, I doubt they would ever promote or publish something that would be considered "anti-vaxxer nonsense".
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There is no data as to long term effects. When I weigh the odds of me getting Covid and recovering, as opposed to being a lab rat, I'll take my chances.
If you look at the postings from the person has posted this story it is consistently anti-vaccine. He doesn't want to be a lab rat. When he gets hooked up to an ECMO machine he will wish he had been a lab rat.
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In other news...
Bill Maher tests positive for Covid-19
Coronavirus
Bill Maher, the host of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher," has tested positive for coronavirus, the show announced in a tweet Thursday evening.
"Bill tested positive during weekly staff PCR testing for COVID," the show announced. "He is fully vaccinated and as a result is asymptomatic and feels fine."
Due to Maher's positive test result, the show's taping scheduled for Friday has been canceled and will be rescheduled at a later date, the show said.
"Real Time production has taken every precaution following COVID CDC guidelines," the show said. "No other staff or crew members have tested positive at this time.
This happened to Damien Lee of the Golden State Warriors. He had taken the J & J vaccine. No one else on the team was infected. The vaccines aren't 100% but without the vaccines more than just the one person would have likely been infected. This is the 95% effectiveness.
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For what it's worth, considering the L.A. Times leans to the left, I doubt they would ever promote or publish something that would be considered "anti-vaxxer nonsense".
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There is no data as to long term effects. When I weigh the odds of me getting Covid and recovering, as opposed to being a lab rat, I'll take my chances.
If you look at the postings from the person has posted this story it is consistently anti-vaccine. He doesn't want to be a lab rat. When he gets hooked up to an ECMO machine he will wish he had been a lab rat.
You do you, I'll do me. I doubt I'll be hooked up to any machines but if I am, I'll post here so you can gloat. Hilarious.