Brazil states halt vaccination of pregnant women after Rio death

A pregnant woman in Rio de Janeiro died after receiving the AstraZeneca shot, according to state Health Secretary Alexandre Chieppe, in a case authorities are still investigating.

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I'd rather talk to the Vaccine Hesitant, see why they are hesitant and figure out if there is room for discussion and changing-of-minds....

I know alot of people who are hesitant, and some might even be "ant-vax", but I can't imagine talking with them and saying "just goes to show you can't fix stupid you f*king idiot".
I don't even feel it's my place to try and push the vaccination on any one who is hesitant or anti-vax - I simply let them know my wife and I have it along with many others, we feel good about it, and leave it at that.
Would I prefer everybody get in line and get the vaccination? Yes, but some might have their own personal and/or legitimate reasons for not wanting to get it.

There are some people who do not want them for religious or medical reasons and I can understand that but anyone who has been a denier, who has refused to wear a mask and has taken no precautions is a whole different story. Those are two different groups of people and far too many are in the latter group.

If I got into a conversation with someone like that and they fed me their anti-vaxxer nonsense I would tell them they were a stupid 'f'in idiot then I would leave because I have see no value in spending time listening to them.
I have friends in many places who have been vaccinated and tell me they are regularly having to deal with those people. I know someone who is fully vaxxed who in those situations just starts coughing.

In Brazil tragically over 1300 babies have died from Covid.
Would giving a pregnant woman the vaccine also provide some protection for the child?

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I'd rather talk to the Vaccine Hesitant, see why they are hesitant and figure out if there is room for discussion and changing-of-minds....

I know alot of people who are hesitant, and some might even be "ant-vax", but I can't imagine talking with them and saying "just goes to show you can't fix stupid you f*king idiot".
I don't even feel it's my place to try and push the vaccination on any one who is hesitant or anti-vax - I simply let them know my wife and I have it along with many others, we feel good about it, and leave it at that.
Would I prefer everybody get in line and get the vaccination? Yes, but some might have their own personal and/or legitimate reasons for not wanting to get it.

There are some people who do not want them for religious or medical reasons and I can understand that but anyone who has been a denier, who has refused to wear a mask and has taken no precautions is a whole different story. Those are two different groups of people and far too many are in the latter group.

If I got into a conversation with someone like that and they fed me their anti-vaxxer nonsense I would tell them they were a stupid 'f'in idiot then I would leave because I have see no value in spending time listening to them.
I have friends in many places who have been vaccinated and tell me they are regularly having to deal with those people. I know someone who is fully vaxxed who in those situations just starts coughing.

How on earth can anyone who refuses the vaccine on religious grounds expect to be taken seriously by anyone other than those who share their delusions.

This astoundingly stupid belief is equally as mad as claiming you don’t need the vaccine because Father Christmas left you a magic Covid beating pill under the tree.

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NY Times writer calls out CDC for ‘misleading’ and deceptive stat on outdoor COVID risk

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In Brazil tragically over 1300 babies have died from Covid.
Would giving a pregnant woman the vaccine also provide some protection for the child?

Nate

Good question. There were no trials done on pregnant or lactating women.

I remember the scientists saying this B.1.1.7 variant would be a dominant force spreading like wildfire, and seems they were right.
Hopefully those with vaccinations will cause it to run out of steam with no place left to go, and hopefully before it can mutate in to some other nastier and deadlier force....

From CNN:

72% of US coronavirus sequences are B.1.1.7 variant first identified in UK, CDC director says

From CNN’s Virginia Langmaid

Cornavirus

More than 72% of coronavirus genetic sequences in the United States are the B.1.1.7 variant first identified in the United Kingdom, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an interview released Tuesday. “We know that there are numerous variants circulating here in the United States,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in an interview with CNBC taped Friday. “The B.1.1.7, otherwise known as the UK variant is now the predominant virus that is circulating here in the United States.” “Over 72% of sequences are related to that variant,” she said. Walensky said the prevalence of the variant emphasizes the importance of stopping the global spread of Covid-19, to tamp down spread and creation of new variants. In testimony Tuesday in front of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Walensky said genomic sequencing nationwide has increased from 3,000 samples per week to 35,000 samples per week.

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I'd rather talk to the Vaccine Hesitant, see why they are hesitant and figure out if there is room for discussion and changing-of-minds....

I know alot of people who are hesitant, and some might even be "ant-vax", but I can't imagine talking with them and saying "just goes to show you can't fix stupid you f*king idiot".
I don't even feel it's my place to try and push the vaccination on any one who is hesitant or anti-vax - I simply let them know my wife and I have it along with many others, we feel good about it, and leave it at that.
Would I prefer everybody get in line and get the vaccination? Yes, but some might have their own personal and/or legitimate reasons for not wanting to get it.

There are some people who do not want them for religious or medical reasons and I can understand that but anyone who has been a denier, who has refused to wear a mask and has taken no precautions is a whole different story. Those are two different groups of people and far too many are in the latter group.

If I got into a conversation with someone like that and they fed me their anti-vaxxer nonsense I would tell them they were a stupid 'f'in idiot then I would leave because I have see no value in spending time listening to them.
I have friends in many places who have been vaccinated and tell me they are regularly having to deal with those people. I know someone who is fully vaxxed who in those situations just starts coughing.

Who are these religious groups? I'm religious and haven't heard of such a thing except maybe the extremely small group of Christian Scientists who believe in prayer over medicine.

Jehova's Witnesses is one group. There are more...

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This fellow Wade is not a scientist, he is a journalist.
Looks like he favors "creationism" over evolution...

Yep more right wing "facts" we are supposed to debate. Not sure why "facts" from the flat earth crowd needs to be debated.

He has an axe to grind, an agenda and no clear understanding of the pathology of the disease...

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That's amazingly good news. You get both jabs at the same time.

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this sounds like bullsh*t.

....NO treacle ...It is the udder truth ...



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this sounds like bullsh*t.

Just like hydrochloroquine.

Never seen bullshit as literally as this in the covid-debate...

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Jehova's Witnesses is one group. There are more...

Did not know that, I knew they were against blood transfusions. They're a much larger group than Christian Scientists.

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Jehova's Witnesses is one group. There are more...

Did not know that, I knew they were against blood transfusions. They're a much larger group than Christian Scientists.

I double-checked, and it seems they revised their denomination a long time ago - as long the vaccine isn't based on blood or blood-related stuff.

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Jehova's Witnesses is one group. There are more...

Did not know that, I knew they were against blood transfusions. They're a much larger group than Christian Scientists.

I double-checked, and it seems they revised their denomination a long time ago - as long the vaccine isn't based on blood or blood-related stuff.

[www.sun-sentinel.com]]

well...it seems Hasidic Jews aren't the biggest fans of the vax.

I don't want to generalize b/c I have no idea if this is religious-doctrine-based or how widespread the issue is or what....

here's what the article below says...

a minority distrust vaccines — for reasons that have nothing to do with religious doctrine.

Yet the fact that some Orthodox Jews live outside the mainstream, avoid technology, and hold rabbinic opinion in high esteem may leave them particularly vulnerable to anti-vaxxers.

[www.vox.com]

I guess it's not as bad in Israel....for whatever reason.

[www.npr.org]

it seems that the voice of the Rabbi is very important in this culture....so, those would be the people to listen to....figure out their concerns and figure out a way to work w/ them to confront the problem in a way that is acceptable to all....which is what Israel did....

Blumenthal insisted on keeping an open line of communication with recalcitrant rabbis. He needed them on his side, knowing they would have the most influence to convince their followers to get vaccinated . . . Blumenthal brought in Itamar Grotto, then serving as deputy director general of Israel's Health Ministry, to meet the rabbis. Grotto debunked rumors in the community about the vaccine causing infertility in women — their primary concern. .. . "The rabbis needed to know one thing, really," Blumenthal says. "A, effectiveness, and B, safety." . . . The rabbis agreed to be vaccinated — and their adherents followed suit.

...or we could just insult them, call them names and see where that gets us.



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Taming the virus: US deaths hit lowest level in 10 months

COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have tumbled to an average of around 600 per day — the lowest level in 10 months — with the number of lives lost dropping to single digits in well over half the states and hitting zero on some days.

Confirmed infections, meanwhile, have fallen to about 38,000 day on average, their lowest mark since mid-September. While that is still cause for concern, they have plummeted 85% from a peak of more than a quarter-million cases per day in early January.

The last time deaths were this low was early July, nearly a year ago. COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. topped out in mid-January at an average of more than 3,400 a day, just a month into the biggest vaccination drive in the nation’s history.

Kansas reported no new deaths from Friday through Monday. In Massachusetts, the Boston Herald put a huge zero on Wednesday’s front page under the headline “First time in nearly a year state has no new coronavirus deaths.”

Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins University, said that vaccinations have been crucial even as the nation struggles to reach herd immunity.

“The primary objective is to deny this virus the ability to kill at the rate that it could, and that has been achieved,” he said. “We have in in effect tamed the virus.”

Nearly 45% of the nation’s adults are fully vaccinated, and over 58% have received at least one dose, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This week, Pfizer’s vaccine won authorization for use in 12- to 15-year-olds, in a move that could make it easier to reopen the nation’s schools.
[apnews.com]

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Jehova's Witnesses is one group. There are more...

Did not know that, I knew they were against blood transfusions. They're a much larger group than Christian Scientists.

I double-checked, and it seems they revised their denomination a long time ago - as long the vaccine isn't based on blood or blood-related stuff.

[www.sun-sentinel.com]]

well...it seems Hasidic Jews aren't the biggest fans of the vax.

I don't want to generalize b/c I have no idea if this is religious-doctrine-based or how widespread the issue is or what....

here's what the article below says...

a minority distrust vaccines — for reasons that have nothing to do with religious doctrine.

Yet the fact that some Orthodox Jews live outside the mainstream, avoid technology, and hold rabbinic opinion in high esteem may leave them particularly vulnerable to anti-vaxxers.

[www.vox.com]

I guess it's not as bad in Israel....for whatever reason.

[www.npr.org]

it seems that the voice of the Rabbi is very important in this culture....so, those would be the people to listen to....figure out their concerns and figure out a way to work w/ them to confront the problem in a way that is acceptable to all....which is what Israel did....

Blumenthal insisted on keeping an open line of communication with recalcitrant rabbis. He needed them on his side, knowing they would have the most influence to convince their followers to get vaccinated . . . Blumenthal brought in Itamar Grotto, then serving as deputy director general of Israel's Health Ministry, to meet the rabbis. Grotto debunked rumors in the community about the vaccine causing infertility in women — their primary concern. .. . "The rabbis needed to know one thing, really," Blumenthal says. "A, effectiveness, and B, safety." . . . The rabbis agreed to be vaccinated — and their adherents followed suit.

...or we could just insult them, call them names and see where that gets us.

The rabbi's are reasonable and can be convinced. The Tucker Carlson crowd is not, can not and will not be convinced. BIG difference.

From CNN:

California will effectively end mask mandate when state fully reopens next month, governor says

California

California will effectively end its mask mandate next month when it fully reopens its economy after more than a year of Covid-19 restrictions, Gov. Gavin Newsom said.
In an on-camera interview with KTTV Los Angeles reporter Elex Michaelson posted on Twitter, the governor was asked, “Are we looking at masks after June 15?”
“No. Only in those settings that are indoor – only in those massively large settings where people around the world, not just around the country, are convening,
and when people are mixing in real dense spaces. Otherwise, we’ll make guidance recommendations, but no mandates and no restrictions on businesses large and small.”

California currently requires the use of masks in indoor settings outside of one’s home, including on public transportation, regardless of vaccination status. However, fully vaccinated people are not required to wear masks outdoors, except when attending crowded events. Last month, state health officials announced the June 15 target date to fully reopen the state amid falling Covid-19 infection rates and low hospitalizations, shelving its color-coded tier system that dictates reopening by county based on infection rates. California's mask mandate, however, would remain in place at least "in the short run," Newsom said at the time.

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Jehova's Witnesses is one group. There are more...

Did not know that, I knew they were against blood transfusions. They're a much larger group than Christian Scientists.

I double-checked, and it seems they revised their denomination a long time ago - as long the vaccine isn't based on blood or blood-related stuff.

[www.sun-sentinel.com]]

well...it seems Hasidic Jews aren't the biggest fans of the vax.

I don't want to generalize b/c I have no idea if this is religious-doctrine-based or how widespread the issue is or what....

here's what the article below says...

a minority distrust vaccines — for reasons that have nothing to do with religious doctrine.

Yet the fact that some Orthodox Jews live outside the mainstream, avoid technology, and hold rabbinic opinion in high esteem may leave them particularly vulnerable to anti-vaxxers.

[www.vox.com]

I guess it's not as bad in Israel....for whatever reason.

[www.npr.org]

it seems that the voice of the Rabbi is very important in this culture....so, those would be the people to listen to....figure out their concerns and figure out a way to work w/ them to confront the problem in a way that is acceptable to all....which is what Israel did....

Blumenthal insisted on keeping an open line of communication with recalcitrant rabbis. He needed them on his side, knowing they would have the most influence to convince their followers to get vaccinated . . . Blumenthal brought in Itamar Grotto, then serving as deputy director general of Israel's Health Ministry, to meet the rabbis. Grotto debunked rumors in the community about the vaccine causing infertility in women — their primary concern. .. . "The rabbis needed to know one thing, really," Blumenthal says. "A, effectiveness, and B, safety." . . . The rabbis agreed to be vaccinated — and their adherents followed suit.

...or we could just insult them, call them names and see where that gets us.

The rabbi's are reasonable and can be convinced. The Tucker Carlson crowd is not, can not and will not be convinced. BIG difference.

I think education and awareness makes a big difference .

U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link

A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.

"Rare" until it happens to you.


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U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link

A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.

"Rare" until it happens to you.


[www.yahoo.com]

Covid isn't rare and has killed millions worldwide. I'd take the risk from the vaccine over taking the risk of round 2 of Covid. Numbers with the vaccine much better.

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U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link

A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.

"Rare" until it happens to you.


[www.yahoo.com]

Covid isn't rare and has killed millions worldwide. I'd take the risk from the vaccine over taking the risk of round 2 of Covid. Numbers with the vaccine much better.

98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.

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U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link

A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.

"Rare" until it happens to you.


[www.yahoo.com]

Covid isn't rare and has killed millions worldwide. I'd take the risk from the vaccine over taking the risk of round 2 of Covid. Numbers with the vaccine much better.

98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.

The odds of recovering from the vaccine are much higher than 98.6%

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U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link

A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.

"Rare" until it happens to you.


[www.yahoo.com]

Covid isn't rare and has killed millions worldwide. I'd take the risk from the vaccine over taking the risk of round 2 of Covid. Numbers with the vaccine much better.

98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.

Off the backs of the (mostly older) Americans who've been vaccinated and those who have died.
Cowardly and unpatriotic is the way I see it.

COVID Deaths Continue to Decline in U.S.

As of Wednesday, 684 new deaths had been reported, data from Johns Hopkins University showed. That's roughly an 80% drop since January, CNN reported. And the decline has been sure and steady in recent months: Since the start of 2021, the seven-day average number of COVID-19 deaths has decreased.

What is fueling the promising trend? Experts say the country's aggressive vaccination drive has played a big part.

COVID-19 vaccinations are already driving down death rates among vulnerable groups in the United States, such as older adults, Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in Baltimore, told CNN on Thursday
[www.usnews.com]



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U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link

A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.

"Rare" until it happens to you.


[www.yahoo.com]

Covid isn't rare and has killed millions worldwide. I'd take the risk from the vaccine over taking the risk of round 2 of Covid. Numbers with the vaccine much better.

98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.

The odds of recovering from the vaccine are much higher than 98.6%

Nate

You and I know that. Some people are just bad at math. Let him play those odds. I'm fine with getting vaccinated and not having to worry.