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bleedingman
U.S. CDC finds more clotting cases after J&J vaccine, sees causal link
A leading hypothesis appears to be that the vaccines are triggering a rare immune response that could be related to these viral vectors.
"Rare" until it happens to you.
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bleedingman
98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.
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bleedingman
98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.
Respectfully, that may be the survival rate, but the number of people left with significant long term damage to organs, or other debilitating symptoms, has been estimated as high as 30%. And variants emerge amongst unvaccinated populations, making it a macabre game of Whack-A-Mole trying to get new variants under control.
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bleedingman
Delaying second COVID-19 vaccine doses can help reduce deaths - study
Who do you trust?
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Rockman
....NO treacle ...It is the udder truth ...
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daspyknows
If this gets Ohio residents vaccinated woohoo. Only in America people need bribery to get a vaccine that will save there life.
Ohio to give five residents $1 million dollars each in vaccine lottery
[www.cbsnews.com]
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bleedingman
98.6% recovery rate. I'll take those odds.
Respectfully, that may be the survival rate, but the number of people left with significant long term damage to organs, or other debilitating symptoms, has been estimated as high as 30%. And variants emerge amongst unvaccinated populations, making it a macabre game of Whack-A-Mole trying to get new variants under control.
There is no data as to long term effects. When I weigh the odds of me getting Covid and recovering, as opposed to being a lab rat, I'll take my chances.
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terraplane
I believe the mutation from India has already been detected in the U.S. (Las Vegas)?
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Rocktiludrop
It's a bit like BLM, deaths only matter when they are covid deaths.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
Well said.
This pandemic has surely laid the template for how governments, individuals, etc. will react in future pandemics. Could be troubling.
Meh... keeping in mind that (as it relates to the US) this is the first pandemic of this magnitude in 100 years,
I'm not too concerned about precedence for the future when it comes to incentivizing the jab.
Six states now have reached 70% vax rates, six more close to it.
Death rates are the lowest since the beginning of the pandemic.
Herd immunity is still very much in play, despite the variants etc.
Given that- while free donuts, free beer (as is the case in my city), discounted sport tickets, etc. etc,, may not individually be enough to push us over the hump, collectively they could add up to be enough to get enough shots in arms. Government lotteries like Ohio's are also fine by me, If there was a federal incentive tied to vaccines, I'd also be in favor.
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stickyfingers101
[abcnews.go.com]
[www.npr.org]
Realizing the Ohio story has been posted before:
My 2 Cents:
Paying people to get the vaccine (or offering prizes) sets a horrible precedent, IMO.
This type of "added incentives" likely means that next Pandemic (or when we need boosters for this one in a few months), we'll have a whole contingent of people saying/thinking: "well, last time they gave out lottery tickets and/or money to the 'hesitant'"....I'm gonna wait to see if they start paying people to take the vax"
or we're gonna have a whole host of people who say: "Well, if they are giving ONE lottery ticket today....they'll probably give 2 lottery tickets if enough of us hold out longer"
Point: we should NOT be incentivizing "hesitancy" which is what this does, IMO.
it's basic haggling...anybody who's ever travelled in the 3rd World or been to a Flea Market (or bought a car) knows this.....after the 1st offer, you walk away from the table and say "I'll think about it"....the "seller" almost always provides you w/ increased incentives to return.
My assessment: Bad Plan.
oh well...I'm still debating if this is worse than Free Donuts.
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bv
So far in Norway as many as 90% do say YES to the covid-19 vaccine, when offered it. This will make the pandemic go away by 2-3 months time in Norway, during the summer months.
[www.aftenposten.no]
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bv
So far in Norway as many as 90% do say YES to the covid-19 vaccine, when offered it. This will make the pandemic go away by 2-3 months time in Norway, during the summer months.
Our borders will still be closed for at least six months. Anyone entering the country from abroad will have to stay in quarantine hotel by law. Breaking the law is leading to a fine of NOK 20,000 i.e. usd 2,000. That is the only way to deal with all the new variants.
[www.aftenposten.no]
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bleedingman
Delaying second COVID-19 vaccine doses can help reduce deaths - study
Who do you trust?
don't be offended...not you.