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When the yelling starts (lunatics and crazies) you know what kind of people your dealing with (people without real arguments). The Joan Fitzsimons file is available to anyone (Kew, National Archice, London). It’s all in there.
You guys haven’t been brought up in the tradition of sources/analysis. Because I post, you condemn. You are like the proud boys looking in the office of Pelosi for evidence the system is rotten. Now, we know what happened to that guy!

I can see disagreeing with you, that's fine. I don't get the vitriol. It's ridiculous.

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Anna Wohlin, a friend of former Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones, with Frank Thorogood in East Grinstead, arriving for the inquest into the death of Jones

Rockman, do you know the exact day this photo was taken?
The (black and white) TV interview that I saw on July 4th 1969 Anna Wohlin didn't wear a hat.

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When the yelling starts (lunatics and crazies) you know what kind of people your dealing with (people without real arguments). The Joan Fitzsimons file is available to anyone (Kew, National Archice, London). It’s all in there.
You guys haven’t been brought up in the tradition of sources/analysis. Because I post, you condemn. You are like the proud boys looking in the office of Pelosi for evidence the system is rotten. Now, we know what happened to that guy!

I can see disagreeing with you, that's fine. I don't get the vitriol. It's ridiculous.

I think he’s trying to make a point with the research that he had done. People like Mathijs just believe what’s in his head. Yes just like a proud boy.

Rockman, do you know the exact day this photo was taken?



Says --- East Grinstead, England, July 7th 1969.

But no idea if correct ....



ROCKMAN

Thank you Cooltoplady. You managed to pinpoint what I couldn’t.

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When the yelling starts (lunatics and crazies) you know what kind of people your dealing with (people without real arguments). The Joan Fitzsimons file is available to anyone (Kew, National Archice, London). It’s all in there.
You guys haven’t been brought up in the tradition of sources/analysis. Because I post, you condemn. You are like the proud boys looking in the office of Pelosi for evidence the system is rotten. Now, we know what happened to that guy!

I can see disagreeing with you, that's fine. I don't get the vitriol. It's ridiculous.

I think he’s trying to make a point with the research that he had done. People like Mathijs just believe what’s in his head. Yes just like a proud boy.

. What is a proud boy according to you?

I hate how in the last 3-4 years no discussion is free of politics or covid.

What do proud boys have to do with Brian Jones.

Nothing, other than the connections some force into the thread.

Anna Wohlin.


This woman's legs look like a skeleton. Different times I assume.

One person chose to interject that, this Cooltopladyand to disparage Mathis, who is a really terrific and knowledgeable guy

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For the record: I never, ever expressed the opinion Jagger/Richards had anything to do with Brian’s death. What I do, is post stuff I unearthed,like the builder’s letter suggesting the Glimmer twins where there on the day Brian died. So, I show you sources without my opinion. That approach seems very hard to understand for some of you.They shoot the messenger and think: a published source = my opinion. That’s not the case. I give you a chance to form an opinion yourself. Just like Mathijs, who defends his nonsense regarding Joan Fitzsimons with an article from the Daily Mail. Now, there’s a source, hahaha! One of the readers on this forum is monitoring on behalf of a London libel law firm working for The Stones. I mean, they have got their sticky fingers anywhere, make no mistake. Together we have a lot of fun with some of the posts here.

"Here come the people in grey
They're gonna take me away"

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One person chose to interject that, this Cooltopladyand to disparage Mathis, who is a really terrific and knowledgeable guy

Nope. if you have been reading any of the above comments I agreed with someone’s comments about that. That’s my whole point, which you just made. You say anything that comes in your head. As far as Mr M goes. He does have a lot of bs.



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Ann Wohlin at Cotchford Farm in 1969 in the adult UK magazine Mayfair (vol. 5, No. 9) in 1970. She was featured along with Yvonne Jingryd. Location unknown.

More pictures in Mayfair here (Adult Content): [elbagdad.blogspot.com]







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One person chose to interject that, this Cooltopladyand to disparage Mathis, who is a really terrific and knowledgeable guy

Unfortunately this person seems to just make snarky comments without any context on the subject at hand. Just a string of one and two line nonsense.

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One person chose to interject that, this Cooltopladyand to disparage Mathis, who is a really terrific and knowledgeable guy

Nope. if you have been reading any of the above comments I agreed with someone’s comments about that. That’s my whole point, which you just made. You say anything that comes in your head. As far as Mr M goes. He does have a lot of bs.

You brought the proud boys into the discussion, a discussion about Brian Jones’ death. How is it relevant. The answer is it’s not. Defend it all you want, but it’s bullshit not relevant to the thread

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Rockman, do you know the exact day this photo was taken?



Says --- East Grinstead, England, July 7th 1969.

But no idea if correct ....

Thanks!
Not trying to be Sherlock Holmes, but just the two of them together on July 3/4 and again on July 7. Interesting. The nude shot of Ann was taken at the same spot where Brian was standing on photos of which was said that they were the last photos of him being alive?


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The most pointless post ever? Worse than almost five hundred pages on the new album that absolutely no one knows anything about?

If it was put to a vote and your options were:

1. Accidental drowning (possibly too drunk or stoned to be safe in the pool alone)
2. Roughhousing gone wrong (Frank pissed of with Brian and pushed him under one too many times, or for too long.
3. Murder (whatever the reason)

4. (If there are other options, add)

I’d go with 2.

Regarding option 1, shouldn't it be mentioned that he has asthma and that he had taken sleeping pills?

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Regarding option 1, shouldn't it be mentioned that he has asthma and that he had taken sleeping pills?

It could, but it would be still accidental..

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One person chose to interject that, this Cooltopladyand to disparage Mathis, who is a really terrific and knowledgeable guy

Nope. if you have been reading any of the above comments I agreed with someone’s comments about that. That’s my whole point, which you just made. You say anything that comes in your head. As far as Mr M goes. He does have a lot of bs.

You brought the proud boys into the discussion, a discussion about Brian Jones’ death. How is it relevant. The answer is it’s not. Defend it all you want, but it’s bullshit not relevant to the thread

Nope I did not I just reiterated what another poster said. Please read the other post before you point fingers. Geeez

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If it was put to a vote and your options were:

1. Accidental drowning (possibly too drunk or stoned to be safe in the pool alone)
2. Roughhousing gone wrong (Frank pissed of with Brian and pushed him under one too many times, or for too long.
3. Murder (whatever the reason)

4. (If there are other options, add)

I vote for 1.
Don't believe roughhousing would leave Brian for dead at the bottom of the pool.

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Regarding option 1, shouldn't it be mentioned that he has asthma and that he had taken sleeping pills?

Interesting remark: In those days sleeping pills were short and very strong acting barbiturates mainly, (these days benzodiazepines, less dangerous, but still very addictive) and in combination with large amounts of alcohol it can be lethal or knock you out within 10 minutes. Several suicide attempts have the same ingredients in combination with anti- vomiting pills. As far as `I understood Brian's pool was filled with very warm water which makes the situation even more dangerous.

I have had severe asthma myself as a child, and know that an attack pops up within one minute or so, but almost never within a few seconds. Then you act quick out of experience, take the inhaler, a pill or seek help and have a doctor to inject Ventolin. Brian would likely have done the same if he had gotten an asthma attack in the pool and still had his senses together.

The combination of being drunk, downers and very warm water has very likely put Brian Jones out, and hence he drowned "peacefully". Or Paul's theory could be an option, or something in-between. I don't take sides in that discussion.

Just to note: I don't want to encourage people to commit suicide.

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Rockman, do you know the exact day this photo was taken?



Says --- East Grinstead, England, July 7th 1969.

But no idea if correct ....

Thanks!
Not trying to be Sherlock Holmes, but just the two of them together on July 3/4 and again on July 7. Interesting. The nude shot of Ann was taken at the same spot where Brian was standing on photos of which was said that they were the last photos of him being alive?

Seems to be the same day since she is wearing the same clothes (minus the coat/hat in 2nd photo). Probably both July 3...

Didn’t Marianne Faithful try to commit suicide a month later with sleeping pills.

Brian's last known photos taken by a fan a couple of weeks before his death

Thanks for that other photo, 2000LYFH.
You could be right there. I have to admit that I don't remember Ann's clothes during that interview. I was obviously focusing on their (Ann and Frank) faces. But funny enough I do remember Frank had a suit on. His face was lying, 100%, when he talked to that interviewer.
Does anyone know who that guy right behind Ann is? He doesn't look like a police or any administrative person. His suit is far to fancy for that (in those still pretty conservative days).

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Thanks for that other photo, 2000LYFH.
You could be right there. I have to admit that I don't remember Ann's clothes during that interview. I was obviously focusing on their (Ann and Frank) faces. But funny enough I do remember Frank had a suit on. His face was lying, 100%, when he talked to that interviewer.
Does anyone know who that guy right behind Ann is? He doesn't look like a police or any administrative person. His suit is far to fancy for that (in those still pretty conservative days).

The late Publicist David Sandison who was associated with the Stones at this time.

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One person chose to interject that, this Cooltopladyand to disparage Mathis, who is a really terrific and knowledgeable guy

Nope. if you have been reading any of the above comments I agreed with someone’s comments about that. That’s my whole point, which you just made. You say anything that comes in your head. As far as Mr M goes. He does have a lot of bs.

You brought the proud boys into the discussion, a discussion about Brian Jones’ death. How is it relevant. The answer is it’s not. Defend it all you want, but it’s bullshit not relevant to the thread

Nope I did not I just reiterated what another poster said. Please read the other post before you point fingers. Geeez

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Thanks for that other photo, 2000LYFH.
You could be right there. I have to admit that I don't remember Ann's clothes during that interview. I was obviously focusing on their (Ann and Frank) faces. But funny enough I do remember Frank had a suit on. His face was lying, 100%, when he talked to that interviewer.
Does anyone know who that guy right behind Ann is? He doesn't look like a police or any administrative person. His suit is far to fancy for that (in those still pretty conservative days).

The late Publicist David Sandison who was associated with the Stones at this time.

Ah, thanks 2000 LYFH. He wrote that book about the making of Beggars Banquet. I tried to find if I could get that book, but it's out of stock all over.
It would be interesting to know what and how he wrote about Brian's role in the making.

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