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corriecas
You are entitled to your opinion.but i think there has been to much unfair hatred and Keef bashing the last few days.true he is not as good as in 1972 but then neither are we.the stones are getting old but so are we.we cant have sex like we did in 1972 can we.stones music is like sex to me.its rock n roll still divine and glorious and rough and it gives us happiness.the stones still give us these things and i am grateful for that.i think people have to show respect to Keef and be happy he is still with the stones snd with us.
Maybe he loses a bit of his touch but most times he rocks like hell.we all lose our touch cause we get old.
I will see the stones 3 more times this year and am happy Keef will rock us.please be fair and not put hate in your hearts.its only rock n roll and the stones music builds on roughness not on perfection.
Jeroen
That's right!
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powerage78
To deny reality is also a psycholigic reflex.
For some here, losing the Stones is losing a bit - a lot of them as well. And this is unbearable for them. Above their strength.
It means also to consider a future without Stones on stage.
So some here minimize reality.
They also relativize, and they are right, it is only music. And 2 hours of concert during it is possible to have fun, of course !
There were errors in 1969 or 1972 no ? Nothing new... ... ...
As if the overall Stones musical level was the same at this time...
Surrealist.
But this position is understandable. I do not blame anyone.
I do not discuss it anymore, you noticed it at least ?
It's hard to let go something you're so attached to...
Have fun on this Tour.
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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it.
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powerage78
To deny reality is also a psycholigic reflex.
For some here, losing the Stones is losing a bit - a lot of them as well. And this is unbearable for them. Above their strength.
It means also to consider a future without Stones on stage.
So some here minimize reality.
They also relativize, and they are right, it is only music. And 2 hours of concert during it is possible to have fun, of course !
There were errors in 1969 or 1972 no ? Nothing new... ... ...
As if the overall Stones musical level was the same at this time...
Surrealist.
But this position is understandable. I do not blame anyone.
I do not discuss it anymore, you noticed it at least ?
It's hard to let go something you're so attached to...
Have fun on this Tour.
Or your kitchen psychology might be wrong. Maybe they just enjoy the music (and don't listen that closely to every guitar lick, like we do)?
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stonehearted
I stopped reading the posts halfway down... but mainly because I can go off my bacon-only diet as a result of the Knebworth 2018 rumors being confirmed... Now, I'm eating cheese as well and olives even, and when the supermarket opens... eggs again!....
But that's neither here nor there. I think from all the opinions presented here, we can all agree that it isn't 1981 or 1982 or even 1989 or 1995 anymore.
They're still out there because, you... we, are still here.
But it's all moving forward, and it won't go on forever... but at least the show goes on... because it has to.
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powerage78
To deny reality is also a psycholigic reflex.
For some here, losing the Stones is losing a bit - a lot of them as well. And this is unbearable for them. Above their strength.
It means also to consider a future without Stones on stage.
So some here minimize reality.
They also relativize, and they are right, it is only music. And 2 hours of concert during it is possible to have fun, of course !
There were errors in 1969 or 1972 no ? Nothing new... ... ...
As if the overall Stones musical level was the same at this time...
Surrealist.
But this position is understandable. I do not blame anyone.
I do not discuss it anymore, you noticed it at least ?
It's hard to let go something you're so attached to...
Have fun on this Tour.
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powerage78
Of course.
And I don't say "Keith can’t play guitar anymore”.Quote
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powerage78
To deny reality is also a psycholigic reflex.
For some here, losing the Stones is losing a bit - a lot of them as well. And this is unbearable for them. Above their strength.
It means also to consider a future without Stones on stage.
So some here minimize reality.
They also relativize, and they are right, it is only music. And 2 hours of concert during it is possible to have fun, of course !
There were errors in 1969 or 1972 no ? Nothing new... ... ...
As if the overall Stones musical level was the same at this time...
Surrealist.
But this position is understandable. I do not blame anyone.
I do not discuss it anymore, you noticed it at least ?
It's hard to let go something you're so attached to...
Have fun on this Tour.
Or your kitchen psychology might be wrong. Maybe they just enjoy the music (and don't listen that closely to every guitar lick, like we do)?
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powerage78
Of course.
And I don't say "Keith can’t play guitar anymore”.Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
powerage78
To deny reality is also a psycholigic reflex.
For some here, losing the Stones is losing a bit - a lot of them as well. And this is unbearable for them. Above their strength.
It means also to consider a future without Stones on stage.
So some here minimize reality.
They also relativize, and they are right, it is only music. And 2 hours of concert during it is possible to have fun, of course !
There were errors in 1969 or 1972 no ? Nothing new... ... ...
As if the overall Stones musical level was the same at this time...
Surrealist.
But this position is understandable. I do not blame anyone.
I do not discuss it anymore, you noticed it at least ?
It's hard to let go something you're so attached to...
Have fun on this Tour.
Or your kitchen psychology might be wrong. Maybe they just enjoy the music (and don't listen that closely to every guitar lick, like we do)?
Instead of being sad, thinking that we are losing them, I think people are astonished that they're still here, playing for us. A major difference.
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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it. Arthritis or age or hitting his head. It's over people. I love the band as much as anyone but he can't do it. Watching recent shows is excruciating , I am embarrassed for him . It time to retire gracefully. Most songs now he is simplifying his part until it's virtually non existent. Recent gimme shelter intros , last shows beast of burden are clear evidence. Check out midnight rambler from Munich his tentative playing almost makes it collapse , maybe the worst version I have ever heard. And his guitar solos OMG. listen to honky tony women solos from Hamburg or Munich and say I m negative. I am objective. Also the way he strokes the fretboard searching for what to play constantly is a worry. Keith has been one of the greatest rock stars of all time and it has to end one day . That day has come , unfortunately. Ok I have had my say. Now let me have it . I know some people on this forum cant tolerate a less than glowing review, and are sycophantic , well I am not. Dean goodmans review from Munich was spot on , Keith showed up , he was there but barely.
Totaly agree with you. On these board, many guys are now autistic. More Keith will make mistakes, more he will be the King of riff and rock'n'roll, rebel etc, for these guys.
In the past I would have already get tickets in my pocket for the 3 paris shows and perhaps one or two more in other countries but at this day, I always waiting to know what I will do when they'll arrive in Paris.
I could have understood this if I went to the gig, I had no friends, I was shown to a single booth (where I couldn't see or hear anyone else), was handed a headset and my main objective was to analyse the show: bar by bar, note by note etc...
However, when seeing live music with a group of friends, a few sour guitar notes won't take away from the overall experience.
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laertisflash
Here we go again…
I wonder whether we need separate, “new topics” to talk about issues wich are discussed “to death”, on another threads (Harburg gig, Munich gig). Anyway…
Judging from the clips I have attended so far (and waiting for my first show of the current tour):
Keith’s performances are not bad overall. Keith is still doing what he has to do, so that the gig stays on high level. Does he do it in a rudimentary way? Some times yes, some times gives more, but he’s still into the game. And, remember, Keith often improves as the tours are going on. So, let’s see.
Is his part of contribution to the live performances smaller than it used to be? Of course. Is his part smaller than the parts of the other band’s members, proportionaly? Yes. But the particular conclusion stays miles away from the flattening claim that “Keith can’t play guitar anymore”.
After all, the Stones are excellent team players, not only experienced players. Their “team work” spirit is magnificent. That’s why they offered us great gigs when, for example, Ronnie had serious health problems witch were acting upon his performances (by the way, Ronnie plays very, very good in the last years IMO). That’s why they put on great, charming shows today. I can still feel the energy, the power of their music. Even from the clips. For the time being…
But, hey, don’t consider a few mistakes or botched intros as “proofs” that a musician “has lost his abilities”. Especially when we are talking about Keith…
How many times he botched UMT intro, during 1981 tour? Brown Sugar’s intro during Licks Tour? It’s difficult to know what happens into Keith’s mind every moment, but we know very well what happens into Keith’s soul, always: R’n’R rules there. I fully respect it. And I feel very happy seeing how many people, all over the world, appreciate what the Stones are still able to deliver.
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stonerolling
Occasionally there are moments of brilliance and it is in that moment the hairs on your neck stand up.
I see -- OK, I'd better add some fruit and vegetables to the shopping list then, if I ever want to live to even hear about the alleged Knebworth gig! Thanks, you're a lifesaver -- literally!Quote
Hairball
All I see is another confirmation of the rumours...not the rumours being confirmed!
"The Rolling Stones to headline huge new 2018 festival in Knebworth"? (note the question mark)
and
"Concert giants AEG are rumoured to be launching a huge new festival at Knebworth in 2018 – headlined by The Rolling Stones".
Sounds a step closer to being a reality then it previously was, but still no absolute confirmation.
> Knebworth
Anyhow, enjoy your bacon, cheese, olives, and eggs...and the Rolling Stones!
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stonerolling
Occasionally there are moments of brilliance and it is in that moment the hairs on your neck stand up.
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laertisflash
Thanks JJF5.
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laertisflash
Thanks JJF5.
you are welcome.What you write is realistic but not "look how bad it is" attitude that unfortunately sometimes is posted by some people here.
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Mathijs
Keith's playing is not much worse than since the last couple of years. My main problem with the last two shows is the speed. Everything is played soooooo sloooooowww.....man, Miss You almost topples over at 23 BPM....
Mathijs