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Monsoon Ragoon
They played nearly the entire albums in those days. Today they play three album tracks that all sound the same...
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Monsoon Ragoon
They played nearly the entire albums in those days. Today they play three album tracks that all sound the same...
Yep, for the hearing impaired:
Can't Be Seen
Mixed Emotions
Rock And A Hard Place
The Worst
You Got Me Rocking
Love Is Strong
Flip The Switch
Anybody Seen My Baby
Thief In The Night
Streets Of Love
Rough Justice
Infamy
Just Your Fool
Ride 'Em On Down
Hate To See You Go
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Monsoon Ragoon
They played nearly the entire albums in those days. Today they play three album tracks that all sound the same...
Yep, for the hearing impaired:
Can't Be Seen
Mixed Emotions
Rock And A Hard Place
The Worst
You Got Me Rocking
Love Is Strong
Flip The Switch
Anybody Seen My Baby
Thief In The Night
Streets Of Love
Rough Justice
Infamy
Just Your Fool
Ride 'Em On Down
Hate To See You Go
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Monsoon Ragoon
They played nearly the entire albums in those days. Today they play three album tracks that all sound the same...
Yep, for the hearing impaired:
Can't Be Seen
Mixed Emotions
Rock And A Hard Place
The Worst
You Got Me Rocking
Love Is Strong
Flip The Switch
Anybody Seen My Baby
Thief In The Night
Streets Of Love
Rough Justice
Infamy
Just Your Fool
Ride 'Em On Down
Hate To See You Go
I meant just the B&L tracks. That's three times 90% the same - like the setlist in general ;-)
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filstan
I played Beat, Beat, Beat at the Beeb CD's against the the newly released On Air vinyl copy through my main sound system at volume. On Air imo is a cleaner audio experience with a much better defined/fat bottom sound than the Beat Beat Beat at the Beeb cd offers. Top end on the bootleg also breaks off at higher volume than the vinyl which can be played louder. It is noteworthy though that many of these songs that were recorded didn't get much sonic improvement from latest release. Could they have done a better job with On Air re-mix? Probably so, which will cause many audiophile Stones fans to be aggravated and disappointed knowing the project could have/should have been done with more attention to audio improvement. On Air chronology is all over the place. How hard would it have been to at least make it an accurate time progression of those recordings?
In the end I really like this On Air release, and feel it was very much worth the small investment for the records. I haven't heard the On Air cd's , but the vinyl plays great. One can only hope they release the full body of those Stones BBC recordings. It's this raw older version of the Stones with Brian and Stu in the studio, in concert that for me is very exciting to re-visit. I can only hope that On Air gets decent enough sales to entice the band into further vault releases.
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ironbelly
Listen closer to track 10 from the 1st CD. The Last Time, around 2.43-2.44.
Mick sings 'last time baby' twice.
But there is no such a thing on bootlegs Beat Beat Beat At The Beeb 1963-1965 [IU 9428] and "GET SATISFACTION...IF YOU WANT!" [TSP-CD-003].
This thing is on my CD from Deluxe set.
CD1:catalog #: 670 274-1
SID Mould Code: IFPI 947P
SID mastering Code: IFPI L555
Matrix#: Sony DADC [Universal logo] 6702741V2 15A02
Apparently, this mastering error is all over the place in all formats - CD, LP and Downloads.
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TheGreek
I just ordered the CD yesterday and this morning listened to 30 second samples of each track and I just LOVE IT so much .So raw and primitive in all it splendid glory .Wow if I could time travel to the early sixties I would do it in a heartbeat to be their from the beginning and incorporation of the birth of the Rolling Stones .Such a wonderful sound to me .Can't wait for this one to come home to me so I can blast it from the big speakers
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ironbelly
Listen closer to track 10 from the 1st CD. The Last Time, around 2.43-2.44.
Mick sings 'last time baby' twice.
But there is no such a thing on bootlegs Beat Beat Beat At The Beeb 1963-1965 [IU 9428] and "GET SATISFACTION...IF YOU WANT!" [TSP-CD-003].
This thing is on my CD from Deluxe set.
CD1:catalog #: 670 274-1
SID Mould Code: IFPI 947P
SID mastering Code: IFPI L555
Matrix#: Sony DADC [Universal logo] 6702741V2 15A02
Apparently, this mastering error is all over the place in all formats - CD, LP and Downloads.
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DandelionPowderman
You can't re-mix with only two (and in some cases: one) tracks.
They have cleaned it up and remastered it, aka some noise filters and added bottom to the sound.
What they haven't done, often the rule #1 in mastering: is to balance the volume between the different tracks. They vary a lot in volume.
The On Air remaster of this track also fades earlier than the bootleg version....Quote
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ironbelly
Listen closer to track 10 from the 1st CD. The Last Time, around 2.43-2.44.
Mick sings 'last time baby' twice.
But there is no such a thing on bootlegs Beat Beat Beat At The Beeb 1963-1965 [IU 9428] and "GET SATISFACTION...IF YOU WANT!" [TSP-CD-003].
This thing is on my CD from Deluxe set.
CD1:catalog #: 670 274-1
SID Mould Code: IFPI 947P
SID mastering Code: IFPI L555
Matrix#: Sony DADC [Universal logo] 6702741V2 15A02
Apparently, this mastering error is all over the place in all formats - CD, LP and Downloads.
Good call out ironbelly. It is true what you said, and I confirmed it on my record too.
May I remind you about Sweet Virginia on CBS CD. That infamous volume drop in vocal just before coda (2.09 mark, if memory serves me well)? Maybe they will withdraw the first pressing and offer us newly remastered and corrected version next year (not for free, for sure).Quote
retired_dog
Things like these are not excusable on official releases - where's quality control?
Then again, who really cares except filstan, ironbelly & me?
I recall the time when Live Licks came out with this horrible Rocks Off edit, this board was on fire...
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DandelionPowderman
You can't re-mix with only two (and in some cases: one) tracks.
They have cleaned it up and remastered it, aka some noise filters and added bottom to the sound.
What they haven't done, often the rule #1 in mastering: is to balance the volume between the different tracks. They vary a lot in volume.
But the talk of the town was that they "de-mixed" it, using the same technology as for the Beatles - Hollywood Bowl release which is reportedly capable of separating instruments and voices even from a mono source, so theoretically stereo mixes could be made from mono sources and also true remixes, adjusting the volume of certain instruments and voices.
Whatever, their "cleaning" obviously did not went so far to (I can only repeat myself as I've mentioned it in previous posts) to repair the tape glitch at the start of Beautiful Delilah (audible on some early boots but beautifully repaired by some younger generation bootleggers, so there's no reason the Stones could not do the same) or even notice the mastering error in The Last Time at 2:46 which is not existent on any bootlegs I know. Things like these are not excusable on official releases - where's quality control?
Then again, who really cares except filstan, ironbelly & me?
I recall the time when Live Licks came out with this horrible Rocks Off edit, this board was on fire...
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BritneyThe On Air remaster of this track also fades earlier than the bootleg version....Quote
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ironbelly
Listen closer to track 10 from the 1st CD. The Last Time, around 2.43-2.44.
Mick sings 'last time baby' twice.
But there is no such a thing on bootlegs Beat Beat Beat At The Beeb 1963-1965 [IU 9428] and "GET SATISFACTION...IF YOU WANT!" [TSP-CD-003].
This thing is on my CD from Deluxe set.
CD1:catalog #: 670 274-1
SID Mould Code: IFPI 947P
SID mastering Code: IFPI L555
Matrix#: Sony DADC [Universal logo] 6702741V2 15A02
Apparently, this mastering error is all over the place in all formats - CD, LP and Downloads.
Good call out ironbelly. It is true what you said, and I confirmed it on my record too.
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crholmstrom
Just got the deluxe cd. Think my fave is 2120 South Michigan Avenue. Nice package & considering it's from the Stones a pretty good value. 32 songs for $13. Nice! Not the norm these days...
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Deltics
There's also the missing bass notes at the very start of "Come On" which are present on boots featuring recordings taken from transcription discs but are missing on ones where off-air recordings are used.
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I also agree with you DP about Hollywood Bowl sounding inferior as there is much more noise in the live Beatles release versus the sample clips I have heard from On Air ,until I can listen to the complete tracks .Quote
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DandelionPowderman
You can't re-mix with only two (and in some cases: one) tracks.
They have cleaned it up and remastered it, aka some noise filters and added bottom to the sound.
What they haven't done, often the rule #1 in mastering: is to balance the volume between the different tracks. They vary a lot in volume.
But the talk of the town was that they "de-mixed" it, using the same technology as for the Beatles - Hollywood Bowl release which is reportedly capable of separating instruments and voices even from a mono source, so theoretically stereo mixes could be made from mono sources and also true remixes, adjusting the volume of certain instruments and voices.
Whatever, their "cleaning" obviously did not went so far to (I can only repeat myself as I've mentioned it in previous posts) to repair the tape glitch at the start of Beautiful Delilah (audible on some early boots but beautifully repaired by some younger generation bootleggers, so there's no reason the Stones could not do the same) or even notice the mastering error in The Last Time at 2:46 which is not existent on any bootlegs I know. Things like these are not excusable on official releases - where's quality control?
Then again, who really cares except filstan, ironbelly & me?
I recall the time when Live Licks came out with this horrible Rocks Off edit, this board was on fire...
I care, but what can we do?
The "de-mixing" is not the same as working with separate tracks, although they can do something with a track / part of the sound scape + some residue from other tracks. I guess the challenge is to make the different track's frequencies ring together?
I don't think the best stuff here sound inferior to that of the Hollywood Bowl-release.
I agree with your point about the sloppiness of gathering the tapes, as well as the editing.
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retired_dog
I'm afraid there's not much we can do - apart from publicly complaining that things like these don't go unnoticed and that there are indeed people out there who care. Maybe we'll catch their attention...
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retired_dog
I'm afraid there's not much we can do - apart from publicly complaining that things like these don't go unnoticed and that there are indeed people out there who care. Maybe we'll catch their attention...
I don't think so. As someone posted before: there was a massive protest after the Rocks Off
carnage on Live Licks all over the internet, but not a single fvck was given by anyone
around the RS management, let alone any members of the band themselves (who I supect
hardly listen to their final output at all).
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retired_dog
I'm afraid there's not much we can do - apart from publicly complaining that things like these don't go unnoticed and that there are indeed people out there who care. Maybe we'll catch their attention...
I don't think so. As someone posted before: there was a massive protest after the Rocks Off
carnage on Live Licks all over the internet, but not a single fvck was given by anyone
around the RS management, let alone any members of the band themselves (who I supect
hardly listen to their final output at all).
Everytime I read the credits on the Rarities-album, I feel that this battle is permanently lost..
There's a new generation young people working for the Stones with this now, and they don't have either the competance, the will to correct things or the curiousity to make the best products possible.
We'll just have to acknowledge (not accept, though) that, I guess...