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After speculating in the "new album" thread earlier, I'm wondreing why they didn't release a Deluxe on Air and/or a Super Deluxe On Air? Based on reading some of the comments in this thread, seems they have plenty of material, and throw in a dvd of some historical televised performances from the era (not specifically BBC), it would have been great! Seems a missed opportunity as I would have happily splurged for some extras, and there are probably many others that would also - especially with Christmas around the corner. Maybe it was a matter of keeping it simple and shifting as many copies as possible? Whatever the reason, I suppose (and hope) we can expect an On Air volume II in the future just as the Beatles did a few years ago with Live at the BBC II... eventually followed by a volume III, etc.

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Maybe Ward Records could come up with one of their Super Deluxe packages like they did with Sweet Summer Sun. That one included an extra 3 track CD. Their LA Forum super deluxe had 2 different shows in that box. On Air could benefit from that treatment by including the missing tracks, rework the messed up Last Time and correct the stupid mistakes in that booklet. Maybe even rework the track listing to make it in chronological order.

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After speculating in the "new album" thread earlier, I'm wondreing why they didn't release a Deluxe on Air and/or a Super Deluxe On Air? Based on reading some of the comments in this thread, seems they have plenty of material, and throw in a dvd of some historical televised performances from the era (not specifically BBC), it would have been great! Seems a missed opportunity as I would have happily splurged for some extras, and there are probably many others that would also - especially with Christmas around the corner. Maybe it was a matter of keeping it simple and shifting as many copies as possible? Whatever the reason, I suppose (and hope) we can expect an On Air volume II in the future just as the Beatles did a few years ago with Live at the BBC II... eventually followed by a volume III, etc.

I'm afraid there's not much left in terms of top sound quality material from original master tapes or transcription discs - from the top of my head Not Fade Away is conspicious by its absence, plus Carol from the Joe Loss show - to justify a second or even third BBC release which would have to rely heavily on off-air recordings, so lesser quality material like on CD2 of the deluxe 2CD set.

They could use "not strictly BBC stuff" like UK and US TV appearances, however, but a standalone Volume 2 would be a pale companion to Volume 1 because the most interesting songs have already been used, a unique version of "It's All Over Now" from Sunday Night At The London Palladium 1967 notwithstanding, and of course Brian's last public appearance at the NME 1968 Pollwinner's show, if material like this still exists today in suitable quality and is available to them.

All in all, my best guess is that we'll see a reworked & expanded edition of On Air in a couple of years time instead of a standalone Volume 2.

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On Air Volume 2 ?
No problem. Here's my proposed track list -

Disc 1 - Bye Bye Johnny / I Wanna Be Your Man /Diddley Daddy / Little By Little
/ Look What You’ve Done / Mona / Not Fade Away / Now I’ve Got A Witness / Pretty Thing / Walking The Dog. / You Better Move On / Reelin’ And Rockin’/ Roll Over Beethoven / Route 66
"Dear Bill, please could you lend us your acetate of the Radio Luxembourg session we did in March 1964. We will arrange a high quality transfer and return it to you with a digital transfer and promise not to have the word "front" on your head on the cover. We will not achieve this by eliminating you from the cover, just by being careful this time. Best wishes, your pal Sir Michael."

Disc 2 - the rest of the surviving BBC tracks, correctly labelled from best sources.

The sleeve notes could contain a correct BBC session listing.
If they really want to go for it, this could be released in tandem with a remastered On Air Volume 1 (like the Beatles did) with corrections and best possible sources used this time round.

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On Air Volume 2 ?
No problem. Here's my proposed track list -

Disc 1 - Bye Bye Johnny / I Wanna Be Your Man /Diddley Daddy / Little By Little
/ Look What You’ve Done / Mona / Not Fade Away / Now I’ve Got A Witness / Pretty Thing / Walking The Dog. / You Better Move On / Reelin’ And Rockin’/ Roll Over Beethoven / Route 66
"Dear Bill, please could you lend us your acetate of the Radio Luxembourg session we did in March 1964. We will arrange a high quality transfer and return it to you with a digital transfer and promise not to have the word "front" on your head on the cover. We will not achieve this by eliminating you from the cover, just by being careful this time. Best wishes, your pal Sir Michael."

Disc 2 - the rest of the surviving BBC tracks, correctly labelled from best sources.

The sleeve notes could contain a correct BBC session listing.
If they really want to go for it, this could be released in tandem with a remastered On Air Volume 1 (like the Beatles did) with corrections and best possible sources used this time round.

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Deltics
The digital "glitch" in "The Last Time" is also present on a 2011 BBC Radio 6 Music broadcast.

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On Air Volume 2 ?
No problem. Here's my proposed track list -

Disc 1 - Bye Bye Johnny / I Wanna Be Your Man /Diddley Daddy / Little By Little
/ Look What You’ve Done / Mona / Not Fade Away / Now I’ve Got A Witness / Pretty Thing / Walking The Dog. / You Better Move On / Reelin’ And Rockin’/ Roll Over Beethoven / Route 66
"Dear Bill, please could you lend us your acetate of the Radio Luxembourg session we did in March 1964. We will arrange a high quality transfer and return it to you with a digital transfer and promise not to have the word "front" on your head on the cover. We will not achieve this by eliminating you from the cover, just by being careful this time. Best wishes, your pal Sir Michael."

Disc 2 - the rest of the surviving BBC tracks, correctly labelled from best sources.

The sleeve notes could contain a correct BBC session listing.
If they really want to go for it, this could be released in tandem with a remastered On Air Volume 1 (like the Beatles did) with corrections and best possible sources used this time round.

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Deltics
The digital "glitch" in "The Last Time" is also present on a 2011 BBC Radio 6 Music broadcast.

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On Air Volume 2 ?
No problem. Here's my proposed track list -

Disc 1 - Bye Bye Johnny / I Wanna Be Your Man /Diddley Daddy / Little By Little
/ Look What You’ve Done / Mona / Not Fade Away / Now I’ve Got A Witness / Pretty Thing / Walking The Dog. / You Better Move On / Reelin’ And Rockin’/ Roll Over Beethoven / Route 66
"Dear Bill, please could you lend us your acetate of the Radio Luxembourg session we did in March 1964. We will arrange a high quality transfer and return it to you with a digital transfer and promise not to have the word "front" on your head on the cover. We will not achieve this by eliminating you from the cover, just by being careful this time. Best wishes, your pal Sir Michael."

Disc 2 - the rest of the surviving BBC tracks, correctly labelled from best sources.

The sleeve notes could contain a correct BBC session listing.
If they really want to go for it, this could be released in tandem with a remastered On Air Volume 1 (like the Beatles did) with corrections and best possible sources used this time round.

Yes, of course, the Radio Luxembourg session would justify another "On Air" release, if, and that's a big "if", the material still exists in suitable quality, like the stuff I mentioned from Sunday Night At The London Palladium or NME 1968. We just don't know anything about the condition of Bill's acetate (if he really still owns it), and then there's James K. claiming that he has a master tape (original master of the actual session or an amateur "off air" "master"?), and I'm not saying he's making things up but it remains to be seen if it's indeed the case.

From the various rebroadcasts in the 90's it's obvious that the Paris 65/66/67 shows still exist in the French Radio's vaults, so that's another possibility, like the TAMI show Dandy mentioned (although already officially available on DVD and Blu-ray).

There's a lot they could with "outside BBC" material, but not with the missing BBC tracks alone. That was my point! Maybe it was not by coincidence that they called it "On Air" and not "Live At The BBC"!

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Just listening for the first time this morning, and the Route 66 version is amazing.
They are totally in sync, Bill and Charlie really make this version. Bill is awesome on the songs that I chose to sample.

I have had these songs for a very long time on bootleg CD, and this official version is the best sound possible of these recordings, from what I've heard. Bill Wyman's playing certainly shows why he was so important to their sound.

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"Fanny Mae": "I like this version more than the better known Chess outtake,...

Where is this "better known Chess outtake" of Fanny Mae? Did I miss something in nearly 50 years of collecting?

There is no Fanny Mae outtake among "normal" collectors of course.

Outtake, as in not released on Out Of Our Heads. He writes about the well-known Chess-version of Fanny Mae.

All of the Chess boots that I've got have used the BBC recording as a substitute.
Zentgraf has it listed as "Unverified".

Yes, that's why I thought that this "better known" = "more widely available" remark was a bit hilarious. A Chess outtake of Fanny Mae may exist or not, but even if that's the case, it's surely not "better known" than the BBC recording.

I'm not very knowledgeable about Fanny Mae. I do know that it appears on Chess outtake bootlegs.

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The digital "glitch" in "The Last Time" is also present on a 2011 BBC Radio 6 Music broadcast.

BBC 2, November 15, 2012 too. But it still sounds like a bad edit or slice.

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"Fanny Mae": "I like this version more than the better known Chess outtake,...

Where is this "better known Chess outtake" of Fanny Mae? Did I miss something in nearly 50 years of collecting?

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Just listening for the first time this morning, and the Route 66 version is amazing.
They are totally in sync, Bill and Charlie really make this version. Bill is awesome on the songs that I chose to sample.

I have had these songs for a very long time on bootleg CD, and this official version is the best sound possible of these recordings, from what I've heard. Bill Wyman's playing certainly shows why he was so important to their sound.

I would even go so far to say that he was as important to their live sound as Keith. It's just not that obvious because a guitar stands more out whereas a good groove is taken for granted, one usually does not closely listen to the bass as much as to the guitar(s). The majority of the audience does not dissect the sound coming out of the speakers anyway, they usually follow the lead vocals and instrumental solos. With Bill, his importance was not generally recognized as long as he was there imo.

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Ward Records works with Eagle Records and not with Polydor / Capitol.

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Just listening for the first time this morning, and the Route 66 version is amazing.
They are totally in sync, Bill and Charlie really make this version. Bill is awesome on the songs that I chose to sample.

I have had these songs for a very long time on bootleg CD, and this official version is the best sound possible of these recordings, from what I've heard. Bill Wyman's playing certainly shows why he was so important to their sound.

I would even go so far to say that he was as important to their live sound as Keith. It's just not that obvious because a guitar stands more out whereas a good groove is taken for granted, one usually does not closely listen to the bass as much as to the guitar(s). The majority of the audience does not dissect the sound coming out of the speakers anyway, they usually follow the lead vocals and instrumental solos. With Bill, his importance was not generally recognized as long as he was there imo.

Ever since I was a kid growing up I was told by older friends/fans that the Stones were known for having a very heavy bass sound in there music ,which is the way I was used to hearing the sound .Then when Bill left the first tour for Darryl Jones in 1994 he was playing more Jazzy type bass and I got used to it fast and appreciated it .Then the next tour he was directed to lay a very rudimentary and basic bass groove and he was much lower in the live mix thru the sound board as opposed to the way Bill dominated the lower register of the sound spectrum , think of it like you were going to disco/dance club with the bass pumping thru those speakers and pounding in your chest and you could not help hearing and feeling it as well and as much as I like and appreciate the very talented Darryl Jones it's just not the same and I miss Bill Wyman terribly , but at the same time respect him for his choice that he made .Mick and Keith did select the best Bassist to replace the great Bill Wyman .