So fall for the album is off again?

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According to 40x5 Tributo Bar, the new album may be released in the Fall.

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Hi Christiano,

Isn't ist the case that the phrase "en nuestra primavera" would better be rendered as "in our spring", i.e. this spring ?

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Cristiano Radtke
According to 40x5 Tributo Bar, the new album may be released in the Fall.

[www.instagram.com]

Hi Christiano,

Isn't ist the case that the phrase "en nuestra primavera" would better be rendered as "in our spring", i.e. this spring ?

Spring in Argentina is fall in North American and Europe.

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Cristiano Radtke
According to 40x5 Tributo Bar, the new album may be released in the Fall.

[www.instagram.com]

Hi Christiano,

Isn't ist the case that the phrase "en nuestra primavera" would better be rendered as "in our spring", i.e. this spring ?

Spring in Argentina is fall in North American and Europe.

YESSS! You're right! LOL! Thanks!

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"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Uh oh...based on the first sentence, sounds like the "hypothetical album" is far from being finished after all - especially considering Keith's displeasure with "fashion producer" Andrew Watt.
There could be too many newfangled bells and whistles for Keith's traditional/classic tastes. Seems to have been the key problem for many years now causing the 'great divide' between traditional Keith vs. modern Mick.
It could also be a case of there simply being too many cooks in charge of the kitchen, not to mention too many special guests possibly being involved. It could all be Maccas fault!!! Or Dua Lipa!!!

Maybe some day it will be finished and released, and maybe some day soon....hopefully in this decade anyways...whether it's 2024, 2025, 2026, or even 2029...
Fingers crossed it eventually will see the light of day, but until then maybe/hopefully Keith will decide to release some new solo material after all.

...18 years and counting........

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According to 40x5 Tributo Bar, the new album may be released in the Fall.

[www.instagram.com]

Hi Christiano,

Isn't ist the case that the phrase "en nuestra primavera" would better be rendered as "in our spring", i.e. this spring ?

Spring in Argentina is fall in North American and Europe.

Correct.

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It could all be Maccas fault!!! Or Dua Lipa!!!

Oh yeah, Dua Lipa sat on the mixing console faders and Paul noticed but didn't say a word. Now the mix is messed up and they have to do it all over again ...

Well who could blame Macca. I mean I wouldn’t say a word if she sat on my fader either!!!

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[www.plasticosydecibelios.com]

"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Here we go again...so they were going to announce the album and a tour at the end of February but now it seems Keith wasn't onboard with the production style for the album ?! Maybe that was the "minor" problem after all. You'd think that after the lackluster production of both VL and ABB that he and Was forced on Mick vs the more exciting and memorable one of B2B he would have toned it down a bit but Keith will be Keith eh ?

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I don’t place much belief in such an article, but after seeing Andrew Watt’s masturbatory guitar work for the last four shows with Iggy, it rings true. Dude has no right to smash the high end guitars he uses.

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[www.plasticosydecibelios.com]

"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Oh no, of course. If everything doesn't sound like outtakes from a Tom Wait's session then it's unbearable. Still look forward to october/November though.

Bottom line. We don’t have any real info. The Keith Richards

Keith has been saying that there is new music on the way. I don't think that he has any problems at all



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Bottom line. We don’t have any real info.

YEP....



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So, Keith is reportedly unhappy with this so-called ‘modern’ producer. It’s 2023! Until his misgivings - which we’ll never know, I’m sure - are aired, any issues Keith has will remain meaningless to us. There’s no context. What is it that this producer is doing ‘wrong’, exactly? It’s not a contemporary R&B or dance-oriented record, is it? It’s a ‘rock’ record. Im not sure how Keith can be unhappy. What, is the producer daring to not make use of analogue, antiquated equipment? Again: it’s 2023! Let’s have a fresh, modern record, blended with the Stones’ traditional values.

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What is it that this producer is doing ‘wrong’, exactly? It’s not a contemporary R&B or dance-oriented record, is it? It’s a ‘rock’ record.

Maybe the producer tried to turn it the other way around .... (Rock -> R&B or Dance)

I think Macca's guiding light guided them the wrong way.

Does this mean they've

HIT THE WALL?

Time to bring back Don Was and wipe those 35 guests we've been pretending are on the album.

Alternatively, we could just wait for the Fall to hear the album and decide for ourselves.

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[www.plasticosydecibelios.com]

"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Here is another quote from the article..

Then there are the long rehearsals to get in shape before the tour , with everyone in their late 80s. That is, rehearse for a few weeks. So overall, it's a difficult and complicated thing to get up and running.

With everyone in their late 80's now this will indeed be a tough one to get in shape for. I thinking calling the new album and corresponding tour, "Steel Wheelchairs" works very well. Mick is 90 this summer...can't believe it!

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[www.plasticosydecibelios.com]

"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Here is another quote from the article..

Then there are the long rehearsals to get in shape before the tour , with everyone in their late 80s. That is, rehearse for a few weeks. So overall, it's a difficult and complicated thing to get up and running.

With everyone in their late 80's now this will indeed be a tough one to get in shape for. I thinking calling the new album and corresponding tour, "Steel Wheelchairs" works very well. Mick is 90 this summer...can't believe it!

A tough preparation indeed, though that article ages them a decade: the Stones are in their late 70s and Jagger turns 80 this summer.

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[www.plasticosydecibelios.com]

"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Here is another quote from the article..

Then there are the long rehearsals to get in shape before the tour , with everyone in their late 80s. That is, rehearse for a few weeks. So overall, it's a difficult and complicated thing to get up and running.

With everyone in their late 80's now this will indeed be a tough one to get in shape for. I thinking calling the new album and corresponding tour, "Steel Wheelchairs" works very well. Mick is 90 this summer...can't believe it!

A tough preparation indeed, though that article ages them a decade: the Stones are in their late 70s and Jagger turns 80 this summer.

It's a bad translation. "Close to their 80s" would be correct.

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[www.plasticosydecibelios.com]

"Then, there are problems to finish the hypothetical album, which they want to support with a tour, because if not, it doesn't make sense to finish it. Universal has it planned for the fall. The album in which Paul McCartney plays bass on one song. Now they are in the same company

But, apparently, Keith Richards does not agree with the production tactics of the fashion producer with whom they have worked, Andrew Watt, a specialist in resurrecting other veterans, with the albums of Ozzy Osbourne and Iggy Pop."

Here we go again...so they were going to announce the album and a tour at the end of February but now it seems Keith wasn't onboard with the production style for the album ?! Maybe that was the "minor" problem after all. You'd think that after the lackluster production of both VL and ABB that he and Was forced on Mick vs the more exciting and memorable one of B2B he would have toned it down a bit but Keith will be Keith eh ?

Well, if Keith is not happy because the album doesn't suit his "traditional/classic tastes" all he must do is come up with quality song material in this direction as I'm pretty sure Mick would not mind another JJF, Honky Tonk Women, Gimme Shelter, Midnight Rambler or what else but totally understand that he may be bored with pale pastiches of past's glory and likely prefers "a fresh, modern record, blended with the Stones’ traditional values" (as Big Al put it) instead!

If Keith doesn't know what Andrew Watt is capable of, he should watch this youtube video.
"Roadhouse Blues - Miley Cyrus and Tangiers Blues Band (with The Doors guitarist Robbie Krieger and Andrew Watt).
Pure Rock Blues

I suppose there's a ramp up of excitement to dealy something, but there's also a point where it becomes anti-climatic and loss of interest sets in. Anyway, there's always other music to enjoy.

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So, Keith is reportedly unhappy with this so-called ‘modern’ producer. It’s 2023! Until his misgivings - which we’ll never know, I’m sure - are aired, any issues Keith has will remain meaningless to us. There’s no context. What is it that this producer is doing ‘wrong’, exactly? It’s not a contemporary R&B or dance-oriented record, is it? It’s a ‘rock’ record. Im not sure how Keith can be unhappy. What, is the producer daring to not make use of analogue, antiquated equipment? Again: it’s 2023! Let’s have a fresh, modern record, blended with the Stones’ traditional values.

Andrew Watt also played guitar on every track on the new Iggy album which he produced, as well as most tracks on the Ozzy album which he also a produced.
Could it be that Andrew Watt was trying to force his guitar playing on to the Stones album, and if so could this be the "production tactics" that Keith is having problems with?
They already have two guitar players in Keith and Ronnie (three if you include Mick), so Keith might have valid complaints if Watt is attempting to make his presence felt in ways that aren't necessarily welcome.

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So, Keith is reportedly unhappy with this so-called ‘modern’ producer. It’s 2023! Until his misgivings - which we’ll never know, I’m sure - are aired, any issues Keith has will remain meaningless to us. There’s no context. What is it that this producer is doing ‘wrong’, exactly? It’s not a contemporary R&B or dance-oriented record, is it? It’s a ‘rock’ record. Im not sure how Keith can be unhappy. What, is the producer daring to not make use of analogue, antiquated equipment? Again: it’s 2023! Let’s have a fresh, modern record, blended with the Stones’ traditional values.

Andrew Watt also played guitar on every track on the new Iggy album which he produced, as well as most tracks on the Ozzy album which he also a produced.
Could it be that Andrew Watt was trying to force his guitar playing on to the Stones album, and if so could this be the "production tactics" that Keith is having problems with?
They already have two guitar players in Keith and Ronnie (three if you include Mick), so Keith might have valid complaints if Watt is attempting to make his presence felt in ways that aren't necessarily welcome.

Makes for an odd choice of producer.

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Keith has been saying that there is new music on the way. I don't think that he has any problems at all

It’s been awhile since he said that. And he may have just been strumming some chords and humming some words.

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So, Keith is reportedly unhappy with this so-called ‘modern’ producer. It’s 2023! Until his misgivings - which we’ll never know, I’m sure - are aired, any issues Keith has will remain meaningless to us. There’s no context. What is it that this producer is doing ‘wrong’, exactly? It’s not a contemporary R&B or dance-oriented record, is it? It’s a ‘rock’ record. Im not sure how Keith can be unhappy. What, is the producer daring to not make use of analogue, antiquated equipment? Again: it’s 2023! Let’s have a fresh, modern record, blended with the Stones’ traditional values.

Andrew Watt also played guitar on every track on the new Iggy album which he produced, as well as most tracks on the Ozzy album which he also a produced.
Could it be that Andrew Watt was trying to force his guitar playing on to the Stones album, and if so could this be the "production tactics" that Keith is having problems with?
They already have two guitar players in Keith and Ronnie (three if you include Mick), so Keith might have valid complaints if Watt is attempting to make his presence felt in ways that aren't necessarily welcome.

Makes for an odd choice of producer.

A lot of Ozzy fans didn't think his playing was up to par with Zack Wylde either, who is a pretty good musician pretty good pianist too) for that style of music though overuses the guitar squealies by a bunch.

Maybe he is trying to turn himself into a guitar hero when he should stick to producing.



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If Keith doesn't know what Andrew Watt is capable of, he should watch this youtube video.
"Roadhouse Blues - Miley Cyrus and Tangiers Blues Band (with The Doors guitarist Robbie Krieger and Andrew Watt).
Pure Rock Blues

Great video!

If you mean 'capable of' in terms of guitar playing, yeah, I guess he's pretty good, but I must admit it was a sheer joy when you heard Krieger playing the licks with a bit more feel instead.

I'd really rather Watt didn't get anywhere near a Stones record, in terms of playing. I hope we're just talking about producing here.

The only worthwile job a producer could do is try to get the best possible results out of the band so that it would merit having his name on it. That seems to be the winning constellation when hit records are made and how it was wit Oldham and Miller. If however you'd sign a big name to be the producer, there may be less of that incentive. Plus working with Mick and Keith nowadays must be an exceptional situation regarding the power relations a producer finds himself in. I never figured out what type of person Don Was actually is and how he works as a producer. But having additional guitarists come in as a hired hand to add to the tracks is different from the producer picking up a guitar while telling where it goes. This sounds very convoluted. On the other hand the guy's specific skill could be coaxing tracks out of stubborn old guys. What part of this is confirmed anyway?