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Hairball
640 pages!


At this point, 1,000 pages before the album gets released seems more realistic and closer than ever considering the latest setbacks regarding no tour this year.
Still really hoping to hear the tracks with Charlie...and like many others, the Macca-Stones collaboration. Whether the latter would be any good is beside the point - it's historical!
I would hope that if the Stones never get around to finishing/releasing the new album, maybe Macca will release the tune on his next solo album.
It would be a real shame if it gets buried in the vaults, not to mention the entire new Stones album getting lost in the shuffle of time...

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This topic started Dec.9/2016/// 598 pages later: today Jan. 2023? Nothing!
I should say: Wait and see.

They'll wait with the announcement 'til we reach page 600 to celebrate our longetivity. Mark my words!

No it will be at yes thousand (1000!!!!) pages

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Topi
Yeah, never mind the Stones, just give us the Macca track!

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Yeah, R Dog, I get what you mean by doing best under those circumstances, since them not being ideal. But still, I think, as they did release the album they, pragmatically speaking, were pleased with it enough, and were ready stand behind it. I mean, these were the guys who once thought that ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS or SOME GIRLS LIVE IN TEXAS were too subpar to be released. Surely the circumstances were different in 2005 and probably they were not so worried about the quality in order to get the album out for the tour, but still... Now, in the case of a new album, they supposedly think differently (quality seems to matter), but are we sure they weren't that different in 2005?

Honestly, I don't know. But what I tend to think is that the artists, if they were to release something, are somehow satisfied with the product. That it actually expresses something they want to 'say'.

The thing in regard to A BIGGER BANG is that we do know a lot about the circumstances under which the album was done, and we seem to indicate that those mattered for the album not being so good. But we don't know does the band think similarly. Or if it was not fulfilling their artistic purposes. Or, theoretically, if Mick and Keith's songs had been better, the album had been better the album had been better, no matter how it was executed. Or, had some kind of miracle happened, The Glimmer Twins had given us a masterpiece by some other means. What I try to say is that we are using some old concepts of how the Stones once have worked in order to explain why the results weren't that great this time. Nothing wrong there, but I am not so sure if the explanation is that valid. Creativity or the greatness of art cannot be reduced to following old habits and customs.

Hmmm...Probably I just try to say that what I am to judge what people like Mick Jagger or Keith Richards should do in order to get the best out of them.. They are their own masters, and I am just a follower...

- Doxa

I think the terms I marked in bold, "pleased with it enough" and "somehow satisfied with the product" describe best what they may have felt after the completion of ABB. I mean, they are no idiots and surely realize that "Rough Justice" is no "All Down The Line", "Streets Of Love" is no "Angie" or "Wild Horses" and "Back Of My Hand" is no "Love In Vain", "Down In The Hole", maybe not even no "The Storm".

Still, ABB as a whole is not that bad that it would have been impossible to stand behind it - at the time, that is. And both Mick and Keith are clever enough in promo talks to give you the impression that they're really, really convinced and satisfied with whatever product they put out.

It's only readable in the aftermath, the years to follow the fact what they may really have thought about a certain project. Let's not forget that ABB was a contractual obligation, their last album for Virgin/EMI, so they had to release something. Yes, there's some good stuff on it. Yes, it was cheap to produce. No harm in putting it out - even without studio polish. They knew they could get away with it because back then, it already must have dawned on them that new albums were not essential for touring. Consequently, their next contract with Universal lacks any obligation to record new albums of originals.

I think that after ABB, they did not want a situation ever again where they would be contractually forced to release something. Something they may in their hearts not have been totally satisfied with. I think that tells something about how they were really thinking about the album. Plus they were getting older, plus they realized they could sell tickets without new music, of course.

As mentioned before in this thread - the fact that a new album of original music is finally on the horizon without any contractual pressures makes me very optimistic that this fabled "new album" is not a contrived one, not full of compromises, but something that truly represents whereever their artistic route and creative ways have led them.

Something they really, really want to say.

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Yeah, the album will be pushed to 2026 now. =P

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Keith said on the 11/O1 this year, that there’s new music on its way and hopefully get to see you.
So releasing an album for for the Xmas market is not soon.
So I’m hoping for a spring or summer release, or a taster single soon

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Topi
Yeah, the album will be pushed to 2026 now. =P

I love your sense of humour!

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Yeah, never mind the Stones, just give us the Macca track!

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So, Just to be clear, When is the new album coming out ?

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Yeah, never mind the Stones, just give us the Macca track!

WE WANT THE MACCA! WE WANT THE MACCA! WE WANT THE MACCA!

just doesn't have the desired ring to it.

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So, Just to be clear, When is the new album coming out ?

Well, I guess that is something we all here would like to know.

- Doxa

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Hairball
640 pages!

At this point, 1,000 pages before the album gets released seems more realistic and closer than ever considering the latest setbacks regarding no tour this year.
Still really hoping to hear the tracks with Charlie...and like many others, the Macca-Stones collaboration. Whether the latter would be any good is beside the point - it's historical!
I would hope that if the Stones never get around to finishing/releasing the new album, maybe Macca will release the tune on his next solo album.
It would be a real shame if it gets buried in the vaults, not to mention the entire new Stones album getting lost in the shuffle of time...

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Hairball
640 pages!

At this point, 1,000 pages before the album gets released seems more realistic and closer than ever considering the latest setbacks regarding no tour this year.
Still really hoping to hear the tracks with Charlie...and like many others, the Macca-Stones collaboration. Whether the latter would be any good is beside the point - it's historical!
I would hope that if the Stones never get around to finishing/releasing the new album, maybe Macca will release the tune on his next solo album.
It would be a real shame if it gets buried in the vaults, not to mention the entire new Stones album getting lost in the shuffle of time...

Kudos to your optimism. That's the spirit! (Talking about the right spirit, what happened to IanBillen?) 1000 is still quite a stretch to go but 700 (and maybe also 750) certainly does seem more and more realistic.

Imagine they announced to release the album only once we completed 1000 pages - this would be the fastest-growing thread in the history of IORR!

Do we have any indication/hint/etc. that Macca co-wrote the respective track? (I don't think so.) If it's just a Jagger/Richards song with Macca playing the bass, chances are slim that Macca could put it on a solo album of his. Anyway, the song might be good even for nasty headlines, like, poor former Beatle Macca now having to work as a session hand for the Stones in his old age ...

But seriously now, of course I'm also curious about the song!

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Wasn't it said that Macca did his bass part only when the actual recording sessions were finished and they were already mixing the album?

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So the list of possibilities continues to grow. Along with Macca (confirmed), there's the possibility of Dia Lupa, Stevie Wonder, Justin Timberlake, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber...OZZY...and whoever else you can think of!

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18 years and counting...........

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Where's the UNDERCOVER deluxe reissue?

Not a word about that, 40th etc. Still way early.

But a new album?

Which one is more realistic?