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I said "New Jack Juice" sounds very dated (meaning the title) and was told the riff is similar to "Baby Break It Down" but it's not the same tempo.
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GetYerAngie
If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
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GetYerAngie
If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
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Rocky Dijon
I said "New Jack Juice" sounds very dated (meaning the title) and was told the riff is similar to "Baby Break It Down" but it's not the same tempo.
Another one? Or maybe "New Jack Juice" was an early version of "Illusion"..?
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
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A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
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A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
Pete Townshend said just that in a recent interview - to paraphrase:
"Roger and I are both old and it's what we have in common, so that's what I wrote about for the new album"
No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
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A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
Pete Townshend said just that in a recent interview - to paraphrase:
"Roger and I are both old and it's what we have in common, so that's what I wrote about for the new album"
No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
Mick is Peter Pan.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
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Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
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They could title it "And in the end..."
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
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No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.