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Another one? Or maybe "New Jack Juice" was an early version of "Illusion"..?
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
Rod
There you have it in a nutshell. Whenever they try to come up with something contemporary you have people who dismiss it as "not Stonesworthy". When they come up with something like "One More Shot" or "Rough Justice" others dismiss stuff like that as lame re-writes of classic Stones material that simply add nothing to their recorded legacy.
Essentially the very same schism that divides their fans also divides the Jagger/Richards songwriter partnership.
As an artist of their age and with a still enormously successful stage career it's no wonder if they would say "Why bother at all? Go f**k yourselves!" - and that's essentially what the really did and what explains the increasingly longer breaks between new material releases discussed here.
Blue And Lonesome was nothing more than the lowest common denominator they could come up with and agree on releasing at the time, certainly helped by the fact that it took only a few days to record the material.
It may also have been their swansong as recordings artists, but its enormous success obviously encouraged them to give original material another try.
But that doesn't mean that they're back in the old album-tour routine as some here seem to hope for.
It's "one last try", people. And it's all gearing up for their 60th Anniversary, the upcoming main event that justifies a new album of original material (plus more and extensive archive exploitations).
Come to terms with it, folks. And consider yourself extremely lucky if I'm wrong and the new albums appears anytime soon.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2019-11-29 16:17 by retired_dog.
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-11-29 15:45 by KRiffhard.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
If there is even an ounce of truth about that title, I would imagine it was one of Mick's and not Keith's. If anything, the similar riff is likely indicative of Keith adding parts to Mick's songs as has been discussed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-11-29 18:20 by Rocky Dijon.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Pete Townshend said just that in a recent interview - to paraphrase:
"Roger and I are both old and it's what we have in common, so that's what I wrote about for the new album"
No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Mick is Peter Pan.
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"It's a gas, gas, gas..."
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-12-01 18:55 by retired_dog.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Of course. But while this theory sounds good, it's actually easier said than done. Much of their last "good and musically recognisable" material (at least in my ears) like Let Me Down Slow, Too Tight, Saint Of Me and Always Suffering didn't create much stir if I remember well, but things may look different with a "last goodbye"-sticker on the sleeve.
Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
You took a heavy load off the minds of all band members with that, JLowe!
Only that the Fab Four were still in their twenties when they recorded Abbey Road. From this perspective, the Stones definitely missed the point of presenting the world with their last good-bye while still young ... LOL
In the case of the Stones it's rather going to be On Overgrown Paths or so.
No title, just "The Rolling Stones" like the very first one. That would be cool.
And please .... no "baby baby baby, honey honey honey" lyrics by Keith
No, I want a rock'n'roll-album
Oh, but that's so boring, they've done that so many times. MY dream is an album with Schlager music. A couple of schlager-medleys of their previous "big hits" thrown in there would make even the conservative fans happy, don't you think?
Jagger is quite good in both German and French.....if I could pick and choose; I'd choose German singing - at least on some numbers. It would also be a nice gesture to their big German fanbase
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Mick is certainly Peter Pan. I don't really understand how one thinks Captain Hook is an example of growing old gracefully. They're both "Lost Boys." That friction makes up their chemistry when they get it right.
Mick was hesitant to record a blues album? Let's see...Mick records a blues album for Atlantic with The Red Devils. The same year he organizes and headlines a blues festival in England and plays a blues set backed by Gary Moore's Midnight Blues Band, invites Ronnie and Charlie to join them, and records the set for potential release as well.
Mick and the rest of the Stones cut a track with B. B. King a few years later and, also during these sessions that produced B2B, he and Keith cut a few tracks with Jimmy Rogers.
In 2007 when unearthing a track from The Red Devils album, Mick makes it known that if his solo anthology sells well enough, Rhino/Atlantic will release The Red Devils set. He also makes the b-side with Gary Moore available again as a download.
When working on the SOME GIRLS deluxe edition, Mick notes he's been writing a lot of blues lately. When the band reconvenes for rehearsals in December 2011, they play a lot of Chess blues. Mick then plays a set of blues at The White House in the same week that Keith plays a set of blues at The Apollo and Ronnie plays a set of blues in London. All as a lead-up to putting the band back together in 2012. They cut BLUE AND LONESOME in Knopfler's award-winning studio acclaimed for its refurbished retro consoles.
To my thinking, believing Mick was reluctant to make BLUE AND LONESOME seems absolutely the wrong conclusion to draw from all of this.
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I said "New Jack Juice" sounds very dated (meaning the title) and was told the riff is similar to "Baby Break It Down" but it's not the same tempo.
Another one? Or maybe "New Jack Juice" was an early version of "Illusion"..?
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Date: November 29, 2019 07:55
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
Rod
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Date: November 29, 2019 09:22
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
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Date: November 29, 2019 10:36
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
There you have it in a nutshell. Whenever they try to come up with something contemporary you have people who dismiss it as "not Stonesworthy". When they come up with something like "One More Shot" or "Rough Justice" others dismiss stuff like that as lame re-writes of classic Stones material that simply add nothing to their recorded legacy.
Essentially the very same schism that divides their fans also divides the Jagger/Richards songwriter partnership.
As an artist of their age and with a still enormously successful stage career it's no wonder if they would say "Why bother at all? Go f**k yourselves!" - and that's essentially what the really did and what explains the increasingly longer breaks between new material releases discussed here.
Blue And Lonesome was nothing more than the lowest common denominator they could come up with and agree on releasing at the time, certainly helped by the fact that it took only a few days to record the material.
It may also have been their swansong as recordings artists, but its enormous success obviously encouraged them to give original material another try.
But that doesn't mean that they're back in the old album-tour routine as some here seem to hope for.
It's "one last try", people. And it's all gearing up for their 60th Anniversary, the upcoming main event that justifies a new album of original material (plus more and extensive archive exploitations).
Come to terms with it, folks. And consider yourself extremely lucky if I'm wrong and the new albums appears anytime soon.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2019-11-29 16:17 by retired_dog.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-11-29 15:45 by KRiffhard.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
Re: New Stones album for 2019?
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Date: November 29, 2019 17:44
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I said "New Jack Juice" sounds very dated (meaning the title) and was told the riff is similar to "Baby Break It Down" but it's not the same tempo.
Another one? Or maybe "New Jack Juice" was an early version of "Illusion"..?
If there is even an ounce of truth about that title, I would imagine it was one of Mick's and not Keith's. If anything, the similar riff is likely indicative of Keith adding parts to Mick's songs as has been discussed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-11-29 18:20 by Rocky Dijon.
Re: New Stones album for 2019?
Posted by:
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Date: December 1, 2019 04:38
"New Jack Juice ..."
... Daniels?
... Daniels?
Re: New Stones album for 2019?
Posted by:
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Date: December 1, 2019 05:38
I didn't think of that. I guess I was stuck thinking of New Jack City or New Jack Swing. Who knows if it meant anything more than Zip Mouth Angel or Monsoon Ragoon.
Re: New Stones album for 2019?
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Date: December 1, 2019 07:35
''New Jack Juice'' - early version of '''Might As Well Get Juiced''?
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Date: December 1, 2019 16:58
December is arrived...Stones in the studio tomorrow?!?
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Re: New Stones album for 2019?
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Date: December 1, 2019 18:10
A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
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Date: December 1, 2019 18:25
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A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
Pete Townshend said just that in a recent interview - to paraphrase:
"Roger and I are both old and it's what we have in common, so that's what I wrote about for the new album"
No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
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Date: December 1, 2019 18:41
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A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
Pete Townshend said just that in a recent interview - to paraphrase:
"Roger and I are both old and it's what we have in common, so that's what I wrote about for the new album"
No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
Mick is Peter Pan.
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Date: December 1, 2019 18:53
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A songwriter best route is to write about reflection of the journey at 75 and the music might sound more mature with depth
Pete Townshend said just that in a recent interview - to paraphrase:
"Roger and I are both old and it's what we have in common, so that's what I wrote about for the new album"
No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
Mick is Peter Pan.
"It's a gas, gas, gas..."
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2019-12-01 18:55 by retired_dog.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Of course. But while this theory sounds good, it's actually easier said than done. Much of their last "good and musically recognisable" material (at least in my ears) like Let Me Down Slow, Too Tight, Saint Of Me and Always Suffering didn't create much stir if I remember well, but things may look different with a "last goodbye"-sticker on the sleeve.
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
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Date: December 1, 2019 19:35
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
You took a heavy load off the minds of all band members with that, JLowe!
Re: New Stones album for 2019?
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Date: December 1, 2019 19:38
They could title it "And in the end..."
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Date: December 1, 2019 20:56
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Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
Only that the Fab Four were still in their twenties when they recorded Abbey Road. From this perspective, the Stones definitely missed the point of presenting the world with their last good-bye while still young ... LOL
In the case of the Stones it's rather going to be On Overgrown Paths or so.
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Date: December 1, 2019 22:32
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They could title it "And in the end..."
No title, just "The Rolling Stones" like the very first one. That would be cool.
And please .... no "baby baby baby, honey honey honey" lyrics by Keith
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If "England lost" and "Gotta get a grip" had been accepted by Keith, it wouldn't have been as long. And he should have accepted them, they were good, especially Gotta get a grip.
God NO, they are dreadful. IMAGINE IF THEY'D been the last songs released as by The Rolling Stones! What a horrid way to have gone out!
They are songs that Mick Jagger wanted to have The Stones sound "contemporary" on.
The Stones are NOT contemporary artists. They ARE The Rolling Stones. The goddam GREATEST ROCK and ROLL band the world's ever seen,
They are the greatest rock'n'roll band because they have been both traditional and contemporary. And of course doing both their way. As they did with Route 66 and Miss You (or Emotional Rescue). And imo Gotta get a grip. To gather no moss they have to move. And dig deep in tradition. Both.
Absolutely agree with you here, GetYerAngie. But I remember very well that "conservative" Stones fans even back then raised an eyebrow or two when first listening to "Hot Stuff", "Miss You" and in particular "Emotional Rescue". So it's not exactly a new phenomenon.
You're talking about songs far superior to Gotta Get a Grip and England Lost!
I'm not a 'conservative' fan...but GGAG and EL are usless songs.
I'm talking about how it has always been like that, starting already in the mid-70's. Even if the songs I mentioned were superior to GGAG and EL, they were not exactly welcomed with applause by lots of Stones fans back then.
It's easier to sound "contemporary" when in your 30s. At 75 it's a lost game, imo, especially without humour and a solid dose of self-irony.
Yes, of course. But then the question remains what's left besides trying to repeat the old winning formula? I mean, on stage they can get away with it, but a new album with original material means a new album with original material.
A last good, and musically recognisable, goodbye would suffice?
Something on a par with the Fab Four's Abbey Rosd album would suffice, thank you.
No, I want a rock'n'roll-album
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Date: December 1, 2019 23:17
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No, I want a rock'n'roll-album
Oh, but that's so boring, they've done that so many times. MY dream is an album with Schlager music. A couple of schlager-medleys of their previous "big hits" thrown in there would make even the conservative fans happy, don't you think?
Jagger is quite good in both German and French.....if I could pick and choose; I'd choose German singing - at least on some numbers. It would also be a nice gesture to their big German fanbase
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Date: December 1, 2019 23:19
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No wonder Mick and Keith are having trouble being on the same page - one thinks he's Peter Pan, while the other chooses to age gracefully.
It's been evident for years now as far as original songwriting goes, and the only common denominator they have left is old blues tunes - yet even Mick seemed hesitant/reluctant/sheepish to go down that route.
Mick is certainly Peter Pan. I don't really understand how one thinks Captain Hook is an example of growing old gracefully. They're both "Lost Boys." That friction makes up their chemistry when they get it right.
Mick was hesitant to record a blues album? Let's see...Mick records a blues album for Atlantic with The Red Devils. The same year he organizes and headlines a blues festival in England and plays a blues set backed by Gary Moore's Midnight Blues Band, invites Ronnie and Charlie to join them, and records the set for potential release as well.
Mick and the rest of the Stones cut a track with B. B. King a few years later and, also during these sessions that produced B2B, he and Keith cut a few tracks with Jimmy Rogers.
In 2007 when unearthing a track from The Red Devils album, Mick makes it known that if his solo anthology sells well enough, Rhino/Atlantic will release The Red Devils set. He also makes the b-side with Gary Moore available again as a download.
When working on the SOME GIRLS deluxe edition, Mick notes he's been writing a lot of blues lately. When the band reconvenes for rehearsals in December 2011, they play a lot of Chess blues. Mick then plays a set of blues at The White House in the same week that Keith plays a set of blues at The Apollo and Ronnie plays a set of blues in London. All as a lead-up to putting the band back together in 2012. They cut BLUE AND LONESOME in Knopfler's award-winning studio acclaimed for its refurbished retro consoles.
To my thinking, believing Mick was reluctant to make BLUE AND LONESOME seems absolutely the wrong conclusion to draw from all of this.
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