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DandelionPowderman
37 minutes is a long player, not an EP, though..
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DandelionPowderman
37 minutes is a long player, not an EP, though..
How about a double-EP?
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HMS
Of course you can say the more tracks on an album the better. You can later cherry pick your 10 favorite songs from a 19-songs album and you would probably have a great album (depending on your personal taste).
But on the other hand this "puttin (almost) everything we have on the album" in case of VL, B2B and ABB leads in fact to albums that are seemingly average or subpar. I consider Bridges To Babylon a very mediocre album because of its amount of "fillers". But if I drop off everything I do not like there would remain 37 minutes of imo great music. So there are pros and cons in putting every finished song on an album - Overall subpar impression versus the possibility to create your own definitve version.
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HMS
Of course you can say the more tracks on an album the better. You can later cherry pick your 10 favorite songs from a 19-songs album and you would probably have a great album (depending on your personal taste).
But on the other hand this "puttin (almost) everything we have on the album" in case of VL, B2B and ABB leads in fact to albums that are seemingly average or subpar. I consider Bridges To Babylon a very mediocre album because of its amount of "fillers". But if I drop off everything I do not like there would remain 37 minutes of imo great music. So there are pros and cons in putting every finished song on an album - Overall subpar impression versus the possibility to create your own definitve version.
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HMS
Of course you can say the more tracks on an album the better. You can later cherry pick your 10 favorite songs from a 19-songs album and you would probably have a great album (depending on your personal taste).
But on the other hand this "puttin (almost) everything we have on the album" in case of VL, B2B and ABB leads in fact to albums that are seemingly average or subpar. I consider Bridges To Babylon a very mediocre album because of its amount of "fillers". But if I drop off everything I do not like there would remain 37 minutes of imo great music. So there are pros and cons in putting every finished song on an album - Overall subpar impression versus the possibility to create your own definitve version.
The thing is, I'm a completist. I'd never cherry pick my favorite 10 out of 19. Filler doesn't bother me so much as sequencing. I don't consider STEEL WHEELS, VOODOO LOUNGE, or BRIDGES TO BABYLON to be mediocre efforts. A BIGGER BANG has moments that are stellar and moments that aren't, but it's biggest flaw was the brickwalling. As always, opinions are subjective. My buddy Gaslight doesn't much care for the 1990s albums whereas I'd take those two plus MAIN OFFENDER and WANDERING SPIRIT and consider them a great run despite some headhanging shame over "sharks will cry" or the Biz Markie sample. Minor quibbles in the face of strong albums in my view. Starting with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, I thought the tide turned and the ratio to great songs to mediocre ones shifted dramatically. I still wouldn't call it an embarrassment.
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marquess
...A BIGGER BANG has moments that are stellar and moments that aren't, but it's biggest flaw was the brickwalling. ...
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Of course you can say the more tracks on an album the better. You can later cherry pick your 10 favorite songs from a 19-songs album and you would probably have a great album (depending on your personal taste).
But on the other hand this "puttin (almost) everything we have on the album" in case of VL, B2B and ABB leads in fact to albums that are seemingly average or subpar. I consider Bridges To Babylon a very mediocre album because of its amount of "fillers". But if I drop off everything I do not like there would remain 37 minutes of imo great music. So there are pros and cons in putting every finished song on an album - Overall subpar impression versus the possibility to create your own definitve version.
The thing is, I'm a completist. I'd never cherry pick my favorite 10 out of 19. Filler doesn't bother me so much as sequencing. I don't consider STEEL WHEELS, VOODOO LOUNGE, or BRIDGES TO BABYLON to be mediocre efforts. A BIGGER BANG has moments that are stellar and moments that aren't, but it's biggest flaw was the brickwalling. As always, opinions are subjective. My buddy Gaslight doesn't much care for the 1990s albums whereas I'd take those two plus MAIN OFFENDER and WANDERING SPIRIT and consider them a great run despite some headhanging shame over "sharks will cry" or the Biz Markie sample. Minor quibbles in the face of strong albums in my view. Starting with GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY, I thought the tide turned and the ratio to great songs to mediocre ones shifted dramatically. I still wouldn't call it an embarrassment.
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DandelionPowderman
Consistent loud volume, without dynamics, mops. A trend that emerged in the 2000s, unfortunately. The music gets strangled and doesn't breathe.
Several artists, like Metallica, took it to the extreme and had to re-release albums because of complaints..
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Spud
You can hear it in the whole thing.
If you listen to music via a half decent "Hi Fi" system, Brick Walling will often manifest itself as a hard, boring, one dimensional sound....with no natural dynamics or light & shade .
It can rob both vocal & instrumental parts of any feel and subtlety .
It's not the easiest thing to describe [Dandy's description of the music not being able to breathe is a useful one ]
...but if you have the opportunity to compare a sensibly mastered recording with a Brick Walled version...the differences aren't subtle !
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Maindefender
B2B deserves more love, I guess the only song I would drop is Too Tight. Would like the new album mix like B2B also.
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Maindefender
B2B deserves more love, I guess the only song I would drop is Too Tight. Would like the new album mix like B2B also.
See , that's a good example of why we shouldn't ditch anything...because somebody will like it.
I wouldn't ditch Too Tight.
Yes, its a bit of a throw away ditty...and hardly a masterpiece ...
but its got some fun Open G riffage in it ...and I can never get too much of that.
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Maindefender
B2B deserves more love, I guess the only song I would drop is Too Tight. Would like the new album mix like B2B also.
See , that's a good example of why we shouldn't ditch anything...because somebody will like it.
I wouldn't ditch Too Tight.
Yes, its a bit of a throw away ditty...and hardly a masterpiece ...
but its got some fun Open G riffage in it ...and I can never get too much of that.
Aren't the "Too Tight" guitars in standard tuning ? Hence one of the reasons it sounds so "pedestrian" ?
As for the new album, yes...the more they wait the harder it gets to put it out, georgelicks' suggestion of 2/4 songs every other year would have been fine. No risk of ruining their reputation (no one remembers Mick's useless songs from 2017) they're (rightly) worried about with the "new album" and enough "killer riffs" between them to come up with something vaguely memorable surely.
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gotdablouse
Aren't the "Too Tight" guitars in standard tuning ? Hence one of the reasons it sounds so "pedestrian" ?
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gotdablouse
Aren't the "Too Tight" guitars in standard tuning ? Hence one of the reasons it sounds so "pedestrian" ?
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Not sure...haven't listened analytically... but it falls nicely under the fingers in open G with those Am & Bm voicings that Keith often employs in that tuning .
Good fun song either way
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marquess
...A BIGGER BANG has moments that are stellar and moments that aren't, but it's biggest flaw was the brickwalling. ...
I agree with you regarding the awfull brickwalling in "A Bigger Bang".