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Rocky Dijon
Until 2015, one could easily make (and many did) the same argument about Keith. Look at the proof? Last solo album in 1992. Can only come up with a couple of lounge numbers. Last solo outings post-Winos only produced two cover versions ("Still a Fool" and "You Win Again") with Rob Fraboni on record stating those were the only two songs that were cut. The guy lost it. Didn't play guitar for months at a time. Crippled up with arthritis. Wasted on booze and coke. He was spent. Couldn't write a song if his life depended on it.
It wasn't true about Keith. I suspect it's not true about Mick. Doesn't change the fact that they're miles apart and the chemistry likely isn't there between them any more.
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Rocky Dijon
Until 2015, one could easily make (and many did) the same argument about Keith. Look at the proof? Last solo album in 1992. Can only come up with a couple of lounge numbers. Last solo outings post-Winos only produced two cover versions ("Still a Fool" and "You Win Again") with Rob Fraboni on record stating those were the only two songs that were cut. The guy lost it. Didn't play guitar for months at a time. Crippled up with arthritis. Wasted on booze and coke. He was spent. Couldn't write a song if his life depended on it.
It wasn't true about Keith. I suspect it's not true about Mick. Doesn't change the fact that they're miles apart and the chemistry likely isn't there between them any more.
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Rocky Dijon
Until 2015, one could easily make (and many did) the same argument about Keith. Look at the proof? Last solo album in 1992. Can only come up with a couple of lounge numbers. Last solo outings post-Winos only produced two cover versions ("Still a Fool" and "You Win Again") with Rob Fraboni on record stating those were the only two songs that were cut. The guy lost it. Didn't play guitar for months at a time. Crippled up with arthritis. Wasted on booze and coke. He was spent. Couldn't write a song if his life depended on it.
It wasn't true about Keith. I suspect it's not true about Mick. Doesn't change the fact that they're miles apart and the chemistry likely isn't there between them any more.
Yes Rocky i agree, and most people including me thought Keith was all washed up, as you say we didn't have the proof to suggest otherwise, and you are absolutely right, it wasn't true in the end.
The jury is still out on Mick though, he still has to prove himself and don't think he doesn't know it, i hope you are right and that he comes back with a great Stones album, he can still do it, but for now there is no evidence that he can make an album to equal or better Crosseyed Heart or A Bigger Bang.
I just hope the boys go out out with a bang and not a whimper, i also hope that Keith isn't going to get sidelined out of the new album, from what i'm picking up he is disillusioned with Mick. Who am i to say but for some unknown reason all the enthusiasm has gone when either Mick , Keith or Ronnie talk about the forthcoming album, i don't know but it wouldn't surprise me if Mick and Keith are so at loggerheads that they are canceling each other out, its leaning towards sabotage imho.
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rbp
Way too much pressure on Jagger and Richards to produce a "classic" new album of original material.
If they are serious then they really need to get into a studio as a band for 2 or 3 months instead of continuing the Endless Tour which has become tedious to me.
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Rocky Dijon
Until 2015, one could easily make (and many did) the same argument about Keith. Look at the proof? Last solo album in 1992. Can only come up with a couple of lounge numbers. Last solo outings post-Winos only produced two cover versions ("Still a Fool" and "You Win Again") with Rob Fraboni on record stating those were the only two songs that were cut. The guy lost it. Didn't play guitar for months at a time. Crippled up with arthritis. Wasted on booze and coke. He was spent. Couldn't write a song if his life depended on it.
It wasn't true about Keith. I suspect it's not true about Mick. Doesn't change the fact that they're miles apart and the chemistry likely isn't there between them any more.
Yes Rocky i agree, and most people including me thought Keith was all washed up, as you say we didn't have the proof to suggest otherwise, and you are absolutely right, it wasn't true in the end.
The jury is still out on Mick though, he still has to prove himself and don't think he doesn't know it, i hope you are right and that he comes back with a great Stones album, he can still do it, but for now there is no evidence that he can make an album to equal or better Crosseyed Heart or A Bigger Bang.
I just hope the boys go out out with a bang and not a whimper, i also hope that Keith isn't going to get sidelined out of the new album, from what i'm picking up he is disillusioned with Mick. Who am i to say but for some unknown reason all the enthusiasm has gone when either Mick , Keith or Ronnie talk about the forthcoming album, i don't know but it wouldn't surprise me if Mick and Keith are so at loggerheads that they are canceling each other out, its leaning towards sabotage imho.
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Lien
He's going to meet Ronnie
Ronnie ; " I’m gonna go off to Paris and see Mick next week and see what his latest thoughts are after he’s got together with Keith."
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The «after he’s got together with Keith»-part might refer to the studio time Mick and Keith had together recently..
Do we here from Ronnie's words get a rare glimpse of the real process of discontinuation about the making of a Rolling Stones studio album?
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keithsman
What do people expect them to achieve in a week, they've done sod all in three years, Christmas is coming, don't hold your breath for anything substantial.
I'm not entirely sure Mick hasn't got writers block, it's not looking good is it, why will he not stand toe to toe with Keith and create new spontaneous music ? because he cant't.
I said three years ago Mick will be intimidated by Crosseyed Heart and i was right.
I really wonder what makes you so sure here. What if they tried numerous times in the past decades and it simply does not "click" anymore like in their best days as a songwriter team? Say about Mick what you want, but he surely is no idiot. If this "gathering with Keith and creating spontaneous music" working method would still work and constantly generate quality Stones material, Mick would not be so silly or at least stubborn to discard a winning formula.
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35love
“The jury is still out on Mick though, he still has to prove himself and don't think he doesn't know it”
Laugh, laugh, laugh.
I mean that’s hilarious.
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matxil
I am not gonna include the entire post here, but I agree with Doxa's last post 99.99% (I only disagree with the last two words in between parentheses).
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DandelionPowderman
The album will be ready when it's ready. I have a good feeling
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DandelionPowderman
I think Keith was happy with ABB, musically, as well as the process of making it. And the four songs he brought to the sessions are all included on the final album.
It was the mix that they in hindsight weren't too happy about.
That's my main gripe with the album as well: It sounds poor. However, there are many good songs on it, and in that respect it is in a way a more even album than that of VL and B2B.
And the stuff they added to eachother's songs sound good, imo - Jagger's bass + his electric and acoustic slide playing included.
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DandelionPowderman
I think Keith was happy with ABB, musically, as well as the process of making it. And the four songs he brought to the sessions are all included on the final album.
It was the mix that they in hindsight weren't too happy about.
That's my main gripe with the album as well: It sounds poor. However, there are many good songs on it, and in that respect it is in a way a more even album than that of VL and B2B.
And the stuff they added to eachother's songs sound good, imo - Jagger's bass + his electric and acoustic slide playing included.
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matxil
I am not gonna include the entire post here, but I agree with Doxa's last post 99.99% (I only disagree with the last two words in between parentheses).
Two important words, though
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KeithNacho
Could it be that this delay is because they are working on a huge Project,a big one, a special double or triple álbum???
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Doxa
By contrast, his earlier solo albums decades ago were made in totally different circumstances. TALK IS CHEAP and MAIN OFFENDER were, like Rocky Dijon pointed out above, more easily translatable into Rolling Stones music, which is to say, if in those albums one starts to miss the missing voice and contribution of Mick Jagger, in CROSSEYED HEART one does not. Probably for that reason it reflects the sort of maturity, which I believe a Rolling Stones album can never do. Mick Jagger will never allow that (thank goodness).
- Doxa
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Doxa
By contrast, his earlier solo albums decades ago were made in totally different circumstances. TALK IS CHEAP and MAIN OFFENDER were, like Rocky Dijon pointed out above, more easily translatable into Rolling Stones music, which is to say, if in those albums one starts to miss the missing voice and contribution of Mick Jagger, in CROSSEYED HEART one does not. Probably for that reason it reflects the sort of maturity, which I believe a Rolling Stones album can never do. Mick Jagger will never allow that (thank goodness).
- Doxa
Sorry to correct you, but that was me, not Rocky!
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KeithNacho
Could it be that this delay is because they are working on a huge Project,a big one, a special double or triple álbum???