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Rocky Dijon
From what we've heard via Soldatti and what is logical to conclude...some of it sounds like vintage Stones, some of it sounds more like "Gotta Get a Grip" and "England Lost." The sessions have been an eclectic mix of styles like pretty much every Stones album.
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That suggests pretty much every album in recent memory. The real question is if the songs are stronger and if the performances, arrangements, and production help bring the songs to life. It appears what is needed is for the band to reassemble in the studio to cut some of Mick and Keith's more recent material and see how it holds up against the stronger material that was set aside in 2016 and possibly some of the material from last year that we've heard nothing specific about yet.
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Doxa
Rocky, please don't even try.
- Doxa
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Rocky Dijon
I look at it this way, we're approaching 180 pages of fans saying "I can't wait, I want it now, they'll never do it, they shouldn't do it."
It all points to the fact that there is still enthusiasm - even from the naysayers - to keep thinking about what several men in their seventies are capable of producing.
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KeithNacho
Any new music will be wellcome. Ronnie's and Keith's last solo works are very fine.
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Rocky Dijon
From what we've heard via Soldatti and what is logical to conclude...some of it sounds like vintage Stones, some of it sounds more like "Gotta Get a Grip" and "England Lost." The sessions have been an eclectic mix of styles like pretty much every Stones album.
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That suggests pretty much every album in recent memory. The real question is if the songs are stronger and if the performances, arrangements, and production help bring the songs to life. It appears what is needed is for the band to reassemble in the studio to cut some of Mick and Keith's more recent material and see how it holds up against the stronger material that was set aside in 2016 and possibly some of the material from last year that we've heard nothing specific about yet.
Leaving wishful-thinking-based speculations aside, this sounds very realistic and however long it will still take them to finalise the album, this is possibly a good preview to what the album will be like, one way or other. Not that it were totally unexpected.
To wonder what the shelved songs might be (or would have been) like will keep us busy for the decade(s?) following the release.
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Hairball
... Mick's 40 demos and Keith's three dynamite riffs, ...
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Hairball
... Mick's 40 demos and Keith's three dynamite riffs, ...
Hell, just imagine: what if the new album is finally released and there's only two dynamite riffs and noone knows what happened to the third one! It'll easily take us a 100 more pages (not) to find out ...
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Rocky Dijon
From what we've heard via Soldatti and what is logical to conclude...some of it sounds like vintage Stones, some of it sounds more like "Gotta Get a Grip" and "England Lost." The sessions have been an eclectic mix of styles like pretty much every Stones album.
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That suggests pretty much every album in recent memory. The real question is if the songs are stronger and if the performances, arrangements, and production help bring the songs to life. It appears what is needed is for the band to reassemble in the studio to cut some of Mick and Keith's more recent material and see how it holds up against the stronger material that was set aside in 2016 and possibly some of the material from last year that we've heard nothing specific about yet.
Leaving wishful-thinking-based speculations aside, this sounds very realistic and however long it will still take them to finalise the album, this is possibly a good preview to what the album will be like, one way or other. Not that it were totally unexpected.
To wonder what the shelved songs might be (or would have been) like will keep us busy for the decade(s?) following the release.
Considering they have amassed quite a bit of material starting way back with Mick's 40 demos and Keith's three dynamite riffs, and now the possibility that some of the lesser material might have been shelved to make way for some future unwritten and/or unrecorded material, seems out of all of this there's bound to be something worthy if and when a studio album ever gets finished and released. From my perspective, if there are just two good songs on it then it will be a success, but of course there's always the hope there will be much more than that. Gotta have faith and keep the thread alive.
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Ian Billen
Not a huge fan of Steel Wheels
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Not a huge fan of Steel Wheels
I think Steel Wheels has some decent tracks on it, though the production leaves a bit to be desired on most of it:
Slipping Away, Terrifying, Almost Hear You Sigh, Can't Be Seen - pretty good tunes IMO.
PS - Here's the superior (IMO) alternate version of Almost Hear You Sigh with Keith on vocals:
Almost Hear You Sigh (Keith on vocals)
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Ian Billen
Voodoo Lounge had 'miles away' better Stones songs and better production all the way around.
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Ian Billen
Voodoo Lounge had 'miles away' better Stones songs and better production all the way around.
I'll take your word for it and trust your opinion Ian as I'm in no mood to start comparing albums from what I consider the bands weakest period.
All I can say is that every album from Undercover forward does have some redeeming qualities (aka decent songs) on them, but other than that I can't really add much else.
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Rocky Dijon
In comic art, before computers took over the industry, one guy penciled and another guy inked and another guy colored. The result was loved by kids of all ages.
Generally speaking, Keith delivers sketches of songs. He's penciling. Mick used to take Keith's pencils and ink them. Then their bandmates or various session men would add coloring. The result is generally where most of their best loved work comes from.
In more recent decades, Mick grew tired of inking Keith's sketches because Keith wasn't very prolific and would spend many months doodling before delivering a set of pencils that were worth inking. Mick liked the idea of penciling himself and using the guy who added color to come along and help him pencil and ink. The result resembled Keith's sketches but it was never quite the same.
A very good review of TALK IS CHEAP in Rolling Stone by David Fricke stated, "if Jagger and Richards have learned anything from each other's records, it's probably that their greatest assets are each other."
The pictures have never been as good since then that's for certain.
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Rockman
....if only ALO or someone could lock them in that room again ...
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Rocky Dijon
How it was intended to be read is "similar to the familiar identity, but not quite as good or somehow lacking in magic."
I'm not anti-Mick. I feel the same way about Keith's unfinished sketches. I find much to enjoy in their post-1981 catalog and their solo efforts, but both would benefit from a rekindling of the Jagger-Richards partnership. Hopefully that is what has been happening over the past two years in fits and starts to the extent they are able and willing.
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Rocky Dijon
In comic art, before computers took over the industry, one guy penciled and another guy inked and another guy colored. The result was loved by kids of all ages.
Generally speaking, Keith delivers sketches of songs. He's penciling. Mick used to take Keith's pencils and ink them. Then their bandmates or various session men would add coloring. The result is generally where most of their best loved work comes from.
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Witness
My impression of the divisive factor between them is that Keith during the later decades wants to create music that largely exists within the scopes for what Rolling Stones music developed to comprise during the preceding decades. In contrast, commercial or not commercial, that Mick wants to stretch those boundaries.
What is more commercially directed then, I don't know. But as Stones fans seem to prefer established styles of Rolling Stones music, I guess that Keith's musical ideas function somewhat more commercial with regulær buyers of Stones music.
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IanBillen
This time the key is to compromise or have everyone on board with the best possible route to take with this stuff. At least that is how we got it from Soldatti a while back.
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IanBillen
This time the key is to compromise or have everyone on board with the best possible route to take with this stuff. At least that is how we got it from Soldatti a while back.
Yes, but the album is not a priority for them, it will get done eventually but no one is losing any sleep over it, the general public could care less about a new Stones album, the band won't tour behind any new stuff either.
Blue and Lonesome was a surprise hit on physical sales, it was released during Christmas time and many people bought it as gift, also a covers album has more potential audience out there than an album of new material, but neither the band or Universal will milk that cow again so soon, the album is still a steady catalog seller, about 3-5k worldwide each week, that's more than any of their studio albums and more than any of their albums except Hot Rocks or Jump Back.
After the tour, they will take 3-4 months off at least, after that some studio time is booked, but touring is always the #1 priority (after family of course), any studio activity will get postponed if they want to tour again.
Universal's $2 million advance for a new album in 2017 has no deadline on it, just like Virgin's 3 albums deal from 1991, so the new album could be done in 2019 or 2020.
One thing is sure, some people here (not many actually) is more anxious about a new album than the Stones themselves, after 56+ years, 25 studio albums and a catalog of over 400 recorded songs, any new stuff from them is a bonus.
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My impression of the divisive factor between them is that Keith during the later decades wants to create music that largely exists within the scopes for what Rolling Stones music developed to comprise during the preceding decades. In contrast, commercial or not commercial, that Mick wants to stretch those boundaries.
What is more commercially directed then, I don't know. But as Stones fans seem to prefer established styles of Rolling Stones music, I guess that Keith's musical ideas function somewhat more commercial with regulær buyers of Stones music.
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Hairball
Glad to know they have more studio time booked, and hopefully they can go beyond "muddling". Looks like 2020 after all, but you never know...maybe they'll hit a massive creative streak and release two albums before then.
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Hairball
Looks like 2020 after all, but you never know...maybe they'll hit a massive creative streak and release two albums before then.