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Yes that was odd to read stonehearted, as if Ronnie was under oath in court and his lawyer objected to a particular question.
I think his manager might've been warning:
Don't trash other bands! (by saying who you might think should've retired by now)
It's usually a regret having a negative printed about another band.
Agree, it was just odd that he had a handler/manager step in like that. I've seen and read many interviews with Ronnie, and don't recall him ever being accompanied by his manager.
Even on his radio show while having other musicians as guests, they would shoot the breeze about whatever they wanted, and no manager was ever there by his side (as far as I know).
But maybe now because he's always very candid and known to lets things out of the bag, he's been assigned someone to accompany him during interviews. As the saying goes, "loose lips sink ships"...
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Yes that was odd to read stonehearted, as if Ronnie was under oath in court and his lawyer objected to a particular question.
I think his manager might've been warning:
Don't trash other bands! (by saying who you might think should've retired by now)
It's usually a regret having a negative printed about another band.
Agree, it was just odd that he had a handler/manager step in like that. I've seen and read many interviews with Ronnie, and don't recall him ever being accompanied by his manager.
Even on his radio show while having other musicians as guests, they would shoot the breeze about whatever they wanted, and no manager was ever there by his side (as far as I know).
But maybe now because he's always very candid and known to lets things out of the bag, he's been assigned someone to accompany him during interviews. As the saying goes, "loose lips sink ships"...
no. the messages from Stones camp are: the rehearsals, the up coming shows, & they are working towards a new album...any variation, or veering off topic could/ would swallow the message....see a certain politician's recent problems for reference....
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Yes that was odd to read stonehearted, as if Ronnie was under oath in court and his lawyer objected to a particular question.
I think his manager might've been warning:
Don't trash other bands! (by saying who you might think should've retired by now)
It's usually a regret having a negative printed about another band.
Agree, it was just odd that he had a handler/manager step in like that. I've seen and read many interviews with Ronnie, and don't recall him ever being accompanied by his manager.
Even on his radio show while having other musicians as guests, they would shoot the breeze about whatever they wanted, and no manager was ever there by his side (as far as I know).
But maybe now because he's always very candid and known to lets things out of the bag, he's been assigned someone to accompany him during interviews. As the saying goes, "loose lips sink ships"...
no. the messages from Stones camp are: the rehearsals, the up coming shows, & they are working towards a new album...any variation, or veering off topic could/ would swallow the message....see a certain politician's recent problems for reference....
You forgot Ronnie's book.
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Again, I don't think KR's issues are with Mick's songs per se as much as the process. He wants the band to records playing the songs together, as they did with Blue and Lonesome. Of course, those songs were fully written, so it's a bit different, but what Keith doesn't want is to just sprinkle his "fairy dust" over Mick and Matt Clifford's demos. Keith at minimum playing a live backing track with Charlie (yes, of course I know he's been subbed for a few times), that's what makes it a "classic" Rolling Stones album. Clearly, and in contrast, if Ronnie and Charlie are playing on these MJ solo recordings, they overdubbed on to the electronic backing track.
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I never thought Ronnie and Charlie were on them initially either Ian, and I still can't hear anything that would make me think otherwise, but the credits which were posted by someone shortly after the release supposedly are:
Composed By, Written-By [Author] – Matt Clifford
Drums – Charlie Watts
Electric Guitar – Ronnie Wood
Engineer, Programmed By – Matt Clifford, Robbie Nelson
Guitar, Vocals – Mick Jagger
Keyboards – Matt Clifford
Mastered By – Stephen Marcussen
Mixed By – Tom Elmhirst
Mixed By [Assistant] – Brandon Bost
Other [Participant] – Pia Squillino
Producer – Matt Clifford, Mick Jagger
These credits are also listed on the Discogs site:
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No. to any official Jagger/Richards/Clifford credits. Matt has had co-writing credits on several songs on GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY (he's credited as musical director on the album and arranged and co-produced most of the tracks) and he co-wrote Mick's duet with Brad Paisley.
He was also an arranger on "Continental Drift" on STEEL WHEELS and "Angel in My Heart" on WANDERING SPIRIT. He was the guiding force behind SYMPHONIC MUSIC OF THE ROLLING STONES in 1994. He played piano on Mick's version of "Streets of Berlin" for the film, BENT.
He's listed for pre-production on "Don't Stop," "Keys to Your Love," and "Stealing My Heart" on FORTY LICKS and pre-production and/or co-producer on "Streets of Love" and "Rain Fall Down" on A BIGGER BANG. He provided pre-production assistance for the reworked tracks for the reissued EXILE and SOME GIRLS.
He plays on all of the above as well as BLUE AND LONESOME, FLASHPOINT, SWEET SUMMER SUN, STICKY FINGERS LIVE FROM THE FONDA THEATER, and HAVANA MOON.
I would imagine Keith's objection is his limited role in the creative process when Mick presents a very polished demo he worked up with Matt with the intent the others overdub their parts.
"I'm still learning my lines, baby, since you've rewritten my part."
If you listen to the drumparts, they're clearly Charlie. Sampled yes, but still. Compare it to the album Jim Keltner did with Charlie, and you can hear the simillarities in drum grooves. Of course there's a lot of programming involved, but they've used Charlies patterns.Quote
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I never thought Ronnie and Charlie were on them initially either Ian, and I still can't hear anything that would make me think otherwise, but the credits which were posted by someone shortly after the release supposedly are:
Composed By, Written-By [Author] – Matt Clifford
Drums – Charlie Watts
Electric Guitar – Ronnie Wood
Engineer, Programmed By – Matt Clifford, Robbie Nelson
Guitar, Vocals – Mick Jagger
Keyboards – Matt Clifford
Mastered By – Stephen Marcussen
Mixed By – Tom Elmhirst
Mixed By [Assistant] – Brandon Bost
Other [Participant] – Pia Squillino
Producer – Matt Clifford, Mick Jagger
These credits are also listed on the Discogs site:
Gotta Getta Grip
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audun-egIf you listen to the drumparts, they're clearly Charlie. Sampled yes, but still. Listen to the album Jim Keltner did, and you can hear the simillarities in drum grooves. Of course there's a lot of programming involved, but they've used Charlies patterns.Quote
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I never thought Ronnie and Charlie were on them initially either Ian, and I still can't hear anything that would make me think otherwise, but the credits which were posted by someone shortly after the release supposedly are:
Composed By, Written-By [Author] – Matt Clifford
Drums – Charlie Watts
Electric Guitar – Ronnie Wood
Engineer, Programmed By – Matt Clifford, Robbie Nelson
Guitar, Vocals – Mick Jagger
Keyboards – Matt Clifford
Mastered By – Stephen Marcussen
Mixed By – Tom Elmhirst
Mixed By [Assistant] – Brandon Bost
Other [Participant] – Pia Squillino
Producer – Matt Clifford, Mick Jagger
These credits are also listed on the Discogs site:
Gotta Getta Grip
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Rocky Dijon
I think Charlie is easier to tell than Ronnie. Without the credits, I would doubt it was Ronnie, but I also didn't think BLUE AND LONESOME sounded like Keith and Ronnie on a number of tracks. I can hear Charlie especially at the start of "England Lost" which is a bit like his drum beats at the start of "Suck on the Jugular." That said, I agree with Hairball in that until I read it was Charlie, I didn't expect it to be him. Part of the difficulty for me is that both tracks still sound like "noise" to my ears and it's more difficult to focus on them as songs. The guitars sound more like assaults. I see where U2 in the 1990s seems like an influence stylistically. Maybe I'm just old...
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Rocky Dijon
No. to any official Jagger/Richards/Clifford credits. Matt has had co-writing credits on several songs on GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY (he's credited as musical director on the album and arranged and co-produced most of the tracks) and he co-wrote Mick's duet with Brad Paisley.
He was also an arranger on "Continental Drift" on STEEL WHEELS and "Angel in My Heart" on WANDERING SPIRIT. He was the guiding force behind SYMPHONIC MUSIC OF THE ROLLING STONES in 1994. He played piano on Mick's version of "Streets of Berlin" for the film, BENT.
He's listed for pre-production on "Don't Stop," "Keys to Your Love," and "Stealing My Heart" on FORTY LICKS and pre-production and/or co-producer on "Streets of Love" and "Rain Fall Down" on A BIGGER BANG. He provided pre-production assistance for the reworked tracks for the reissued EXILE and SOME GIRLS.
He plays on all of the above as well as BLUE AND LONESOME, FLASHPOINT, SWEET SUMMER SUN, STICKY FINGERS LIVE FROM THE FONDA THEATER, and HAVANA MOON.
I would imagine Keith's objection is his limited role in the creative process when Mick presents a very polished demo he worked up with Matt with the intent the others overdub their parts.
"I'm still learning my lines, baby, since you've rewritten my part."
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Incidentally, or maybe not so incidentally, it was Matt Clifford who Mick Taylor went into the studio with to add overdubs to the Exile bonus disc. Keith didn’t know, and Mick Jagger wasn’t there. MT played stuff that wasn’t used.
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OK - I was confused by your comment that "MT played stuff that wasn’t used..".
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OK - I was confused by your comment that "MT played stuff that wasn’t used..".
MT tried some things on other tracks that were not used.
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OK - I was confused by your comment that "MT played stuff that wasn’t used..".
MT tried some things on other tracks that were not used.
Interesting, I don't recall ever hearing that - I thought it was only Plundered he was brought in to play on.
Would be interesting to know which of the other tracks he might have worked on, and even more interesting to actually hear them.