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if they don't really obviously want to make one then it's really good that they haven't made one. Hats off. Keep on being true to who you really are.when I put the needle down on something that is not there, it's really comforting to hear the silence.

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When this album eventually see the light of day I have 1 request -

If you have recorded 16 new tracks, pick the best 10 or 11 with a total running time of 45 mins maximum.

You only had enough tracks for an hour+ album once IMHO.

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Because if the results are too self-conscious, then it will show, and they could wind up becoming their own tribute band.

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When this album eventually see the light of day I have 1 request -

If you have recorded 16 new tracks, pick the best 10 or 11 with a total running time of 45 mins maximum.

You only had enough tracks for an hour+ album once IMHO.

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hopkins
if they don't really obviously want to make one then it's really good that they haven't made one. Hats off. Keep on being true to who you really are.when I put the needle down on something that is not there, it's really comforting to hear the silence.

I don't know, hopkins-san; without a platter loaded up, when I drop my stylus down on the slipmat the resulting grind I hear is far from silence.

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When this album eventually see the light of day I have 1 request -

If you have recorded 16 new tracks, pick the best 10 or 11 with a total running time of 45 mins maximum.

You only had enough tracks for an hour+ album once IMHO.

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MD: Yes I'm a card carrying member, signed up for the lifetime offer back in '75...><

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If you have recorded 16 new tracks, pick the best 10 or 11 with a total running time of 45 mins maximum.

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MD: Yes I'm a card carrying member, signed up for the lifetime offer back in '75...><

In fact if it were up to me, Keith would record more sincere solo albums and Mick would record more solo/collaboratve "experimental" music on his own.

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MD: Yes I'm a card carrying member, signed up for the lifetime offer back in '75...><

In fact if it were up to me, Keith would record more sincere solo albums and Mick would record more solo/collaboratve "experimental" music on his own.

I agree ... but imo the next piece of "experimental" music Mick Jagger records will be the first piece of experimental music he records.

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MD: Yes I'm a card carrying member, signed up for the lifetime offer back in '75...><

In fact if it were up to me, Keith would record more sincere solo albums and Mick would record more solo/collaboratve "experimental" music on his own.

I agree ... but imo the next piece of "experimental" music Mick Jagger records will be the first piece of experimental music he records.

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"experimental" music

"experimental" music

"experimental" was a term used by others

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"experimental" music

"experimental" music

"experimental" was a term used by others

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If you have recorded 16 new tracks, pick the best 10 or 11 with a total running time of 45 mins maximum.

That's good, the problem is what is good/bad for people's taste.

I've seen endless lists with the best Voodoo Lounge and A Bigger Bang version, there's no list on this forum with the same line up of songs.

Some people list crap stuff (IMO) as She Saw Me Coming or Suck On The Jugular on their favorite lists.

Some people wants anything released, if they release a 11 song album out of 15/16 songs recorded, they want the outtakes too.

Some people wanted the 28 "songs/demos" from the 40 Licks sessions and some people even wanted Keith's version for "One More Shot", a 3rd class song at best.


Who draws the line?

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'Releasing 'singles' would not satisfy me. Nor would it satisfy the masses. Those would be teases more than anything and IMO that is lame.'

Isn't that exactly how pop music and the Stones started?

Better a couple of singles put out (what they judge to be the best) than waiting longer for a whole (possibly underwhelming) album. Or, indeed, for nothing.

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Well yes that is how Pop music started .. It is also what the Stones did in their very early beginning .... but that is not how it is 'now' ..especially with The Stones. Pop music also started using only 4-8 tracks.. on analog tape ....but that doesn't mean they should record that way in the studio now just because things started out that way ... What was the norm or flew 50 years or more ago is irrelevant. This is the here and now.. That era is way gone for them ...it has been gone and we / music / The Stones have progressed from that decades ago (and most others).

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A few songs would be better than nothing from them .. I agree there ... I would accept that and would take it if it was all they had ... or all they were willing ...or all that they could muster ....

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A few songs would be better than nothing from them .. I agree there ... I would accept that and would take it if it was all they had ... or all they were willing ...or all that they could muster ....

I'm having disturbing visions of 40 Licks and GRRRR where all they had (or all they were willing, or all they could muster) were two or three new songs. Had they released a whole album, and those were the best they could come up with, how do think the rest of the album might have sounded? Not saying any of the new tunes are crap, but if they keep delaying, butting heads, and compromising their individual visions, that's probably how it will all end up. Maybe focus on just one song at a time and work it out before attempting to move forward with a sketchbook full of random ideas adding bits and pieces of guitars, drums, and vocals, etc. Then once the new song is finished and all are in agreement, release it. Might be a difficult task since Mick said he had 40 demos that were already finished, which leaves me to believe he doesn't really want any creative input from the others. Same for Keith - he supposedly has his dynamite riffs and is probably being stubborn in getting them to work within the band. Something has to give, otherwise we'll end up with more Getta Grips and some random Keith material that should have been kept on solo albums.

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A few songs would be better than nothing from them .. I agree there ... I would accept that and would take it if it was all they had ... or all they were willing ...or all that they could muster ....

I'm having disturbing visions of 40 Licks and GRRRR where all they had (or all they were willing, or all they could muster) were two or three new songs. Had they released a whole album, and those were the best they could come up with, how do think the rest of the album might have sounded? Not saying any of the new tunes are crap, but if they keep delaying, butting heads, and compromising their individual visions, that's probably how it will all end up. Maybe focus on just one song at a time and work it out before attempting to move forward with a sketchbook full of random ideas adding bits and pieces of guitars, drums, and vocals, etc. Then once the new song is finished and all are in agreement, release it. Might be a difficult task since Mick said he had 40 demos that were already finished, which leaves me to believe he doesn't really want any creative input from the others. Same for Keith - he supposedly has his dynamite riffs and is probably being stubborn in getting them to work within the band. Something has to give, otherwise we'll end up with more Getta Grips and some random Keith material that should have been kept on solo albums.

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Hairball .. I like the fact that you are always available for a nice conversation or conversational debate. Great to hear from you as usual.

Well now I'll answer your thought... We had A Bigger Bang after the 40 licks sessions and IMO it was a real solid album ... great stuff... and they sounded great. Loved the album.

As far as the idea of them having sketches and song ideas they are pulling from .. we know nothing. That is all speculation. We don't know if they are working on one song at a time or 10 ... We have no clue whats going on in the studio. All we know is they are recording in bursts.. not prolonged segments. They are not satisfied with what they have and that they are deciding which way to take things. As well we know they want to 'get it right' as Mick very recently stated in an interview when discussing the new album and it's ongoing activities.


So whatever they are doing we have no idea ... We have to wait and see what this yields. One thing is for certain ... they are taking their time with said album more than any other album in their career. Why that is.. we dont know yet... we can only guess.

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Keith refused to play on Getta Grip, Mick released it on his own

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A few songs would be better than nothing from them .. I agree there ... I would accept that and would take it if it was all they had ... or all they were willing ...or all that they could muster ....

I'm having disturbing visions of 40 Licks and GRRRR where all they had (or all they were willing, or all they could muster) were two or three new songs. Had they released a whole album, and those were the best they could come up with, how do think the rest of the album might have sounded? Not saying any of the new tunes are crap, but if they keep delaying, butting heads, and compromising their individual visions, that's probably how it will all end up. Maybe focus on just one song at a time and work it out before attempting to move forward with a sketchbook full of random ideas adding bits and pieces of guitars, drums, and vocals, etc. Then once the new song is finished and all are in agreement, release it. Might be a difficult task since Mick said he had 40 demos that were already finished, which leaves me to believe he doesn't really want any creative input from the others. Same for Keith - he supposedly has his dynamite riffs and is probably being stubborn in getting them to work within the band. Something has to give, otherwise we'll end up with more Getta Grips and some random Keith material that should have been kept on solo albums.

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Hairball .. I like the fact that you are always available for a nice conversation or conversational debate. Great to hear from you as usual.

Well now I'll answer your thought... We had A Bigger Bang after the 40 licks sessions and IMO it was a real solid album ... great stuff... and they sounded great. Loved the album.

As far as the idea of them having sketches and song ideas they are pulling from .. we know nothing. That is all speculation. We don't know if they are working on one song at a time or 10 ... We have no clue whats going on in the studio. All we know is they are recording in bursts.. not prolonged segments. They are not satisfied with what they have and that they are deciding which way to take things. As well we know they want to 'get it right' as Mick very recently stated in an interview when discussing the new album and it's ongoing activities.


So whatever they are doing we have no idea ... We have to wait and see what this yields. One thing is for certain ... they are taking their time with said album more than any other album in their career. Why that is.. we dont know yet... we can only guess.

Exactly - none of us really know a thing, but Ronnie recently let the cat out of the bag by saying “We’ve got some songs in the bag for the next Stones album”, so we know they've completed some tracks!!! I assume they're going to revisit those to be reworked after the tour otherwise they might have released one or two of them now in finished form prior to the tour just as Mick quickly released Getta Grip. Or maybe they're keepers and the Stones are hoarding them to be included in the new album. Or maybe Ronnie is full of B.S. and/or was misquoted.

Regarding A Bigger Bang - are you saying that album was made up from leftovers from the inferior 40Licks sessions? I honestly don't know, but I suppose it could have been partially made from leftovers? Sounds like leftovers to me, so that would make sense. Whatever the case, as with any Stones album there are some who like it and others who don't - it just seems more lean towards the latter with ABB. I'm pretty sure all would agree it certainly doesn't rank anywhere near their best, but that would be asking a lot. As for me, I won't get into details of why I would consider it a fail as it's been discussed ad nauseum by many others on this board (including myself), but I'll just say it's a blemish. I think Keith even mentioned his distaste for it not long after it was released, which is surprising as I think they were still out on tour promoting it at the time.

So here we are...none of us know much about what's happening, yet in no particular order we do know they hit a wall, released some blues covers, have been back in the studio in spurts, Keith refused to play on Getta Grip, Mick released it on his own, Ronnie claims they have some songs finished (questionable), and the new tour starts in less than a month which really seems to be the only bright light in this entire saga. Somehow this thread remains alive filled with speculation and conjecture - but somewhere in the midst of it all lies the truth, and the truth will someday be revealed. Hopefully a new album by the band will also see the light of day, although it's beginning to look less and less likely imo....the clock is ticking.

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Keith refused to play on Getta Grip, Mick released it on his own

Do we know this to be true? Or is it speculation (informed or otherwise) by people with "connections"? I presume no one in the band has confirmed whether or not this was just a Mick solo track that Ron and Charlie happened to play on? It has been proved that it was initially a Stones song that was rejected by Keith?

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I can tell from my source that both songs were from the Stones' sessions for the new album, both Ronnie and Charlie are on it but Keith refused to play, just like he did not play on Saint Of Me.
Both songs were re-worked as Mick Jagger solo songs, Universal wanted something out to test the market and keep the hype about the new album and Mick was happy to put something out.

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Keith refused to play on Getta Grip, Mick released it on his own

Do we know this to be true? Or is it speculation (informed or otherwise) by people with "connections"? I presume no one in the band has confirmed whether or not this was just a Mick solo track that Ron and Charlie happened to play on? It has been proved that it was initially a Stones song that was rejected by Keith?

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I can tell from my source that both songs were from the Stones' sessions for the new album, both Ronnie and Charlie are on it but Keith refused to play, just like he did not play on Saint Of Me.
Both songs were re-worked as Mick Jagger solo songs, Universal wanted something out to test the market and keep the hype about the new album and Mick was happy to put something out.

Whether or not it's absolutely true might be up for debate, but I see no reason to doubt the source above.

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I can tell from my source that both songs were from the Stones' sessions for the new album, both Ronnie and Charlie are on it but Keith refused to play, just like he did not play on Saint Of Me.
Both songs were re-worked as Mick Jagger solo songs, Universal wanted something out to test the market and keep the hype about the new album and Mick was happy to put something out.
There are more songs like these from the 15 or so new songs recorded so far, but it looks like Keith wants a classic Rolling Stones sounding album, no dance or experimental stuff on it so there's the fight for the final cut of the new album.

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'Releasing 'singles' would not satisfy me. Nor would it satisfy the masses. Those would be teases more than anything and IMO that is lame.'

Isn't that exactly how pop music and the Stones started?

Better a couple of singles put out (what they judge to be the best) than waiting longer for a whole (possibly underwhelming) album. Or, indeed, for nothing.

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Well yes that is how Pop music started .. It is also what the Stones did in their very early beginning .... but that is not how it is 'now' ..especially with The Stones. Pop music also started using only 4-8 tracks.. on analog tape ....but that doesn't mean they should record that way in the studio now just because things started out that way ... What was the norm or flew 50 years or more ago is irrelevant. This is the here and now.. That era is way gone for them ...it has been gone and we / music / The Stones have progressed from that decades ago (and most others).

A few songs would be better than nothing from them .. I agree there ... I would accept that and would take it if it was all they had ... or all they were willing ...or all that they could muster ....but ultimately what people want is an 'album' from them because they are still very much in the game of active music as an active band (at least that is how they still advertise themselves).