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Keith´ playing on Sympathy is great. He is fully aware of what he´s doing. It isn´t inability. He WANTS to make those grumpy growling sounds. He WANTS it to sound as mean as it gets. He doesn´t want to recreate the solo of the original recording. The man knows what he does!
From 2012 onward I´ve been always looking for the latest Sympathy-version to show up on youtube to enjoy his mean, mean guitar. And he has never disappointed me.
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Keith´ playing on Sympathy is great. He is fully aware of what he´s doing. It isn´t inability. He WANTS to make those grumpy growling sounds. He WANTS it to sound as mean as it gets. He doesn´t want to recreate the solo of the original recording. The man knows what he does!
From 2012 onward I´ve been always looking for the latest Sympathy-version to show up on youtube to enjoy his mean, mean guitar. And he has never disappointed me.
That's exactly what I thought, I just watched the youtube vid and it's pretty clear, he knows what sounds he wants and is making them.
It reminded me of the situation with Streets of Love.........Mick said he was "really pleased with that song because it came out exactly as he'd heard it in his head and it's often difficult to reproduce a song that close".....
Any given punter might not like SOL but that's something else...........
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I've enjoyed reading through the first hand accounts of those who were there, and the official reviews and it supports what I posted earlier. Being at the gig is a very different experience to watching badly recorded YouTube clips that may only pick up one sound stack or just a bland generalised sound.
There were mistakes, plenty of them, there always is at a Stones show...Mick forgets a line, Keith fluffs his key or solos...it's kinda part of the Stones, they've always done it. I don't see the need to try and make out Keith was doing it on purpose...he wasn't, he @#$%& up, several times. It's not a hanging matter, he's having fun and doesn't pay too much attention to what he's playing these days. No need for us to fall into the emperor's new clothes syndrome!
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I've always been very forgiving of mistakes at a live Stones show because they put across such a great feeling. But now I'm not getting that feeling anymore. That, to me is even sadder than the mistakes.
Also my thoughts. Though I'm thinking the Latina America tour was superb. IMHO in 2013 some arena shows were also a bit lifeless and tired. At the end of the tour they played Hyde Park and Glastonbury which was quite good. For me they had their comeback in 2014. And then they got better and better. So let's hope they get their shape and energy back soon. But I guess it's also about the audience. Just compare is to Argentina last year. That was a whole different energy level.Quote
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I've always been very forgiving of mistakes at a live Stones show because they put across such a great feeling. But now I'm not getting that feeling anymore. That, to me is even sadder than the mistakes.
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powerage78
Can't wait to see the official dvd if there is one. To hear the solos on Start Me Up, Sympathy, Come Together.
The awful Honk Tonk version.
Ah the magic intervention in the studio ...
Hey if it is what Keith wants now with his playing on stage why these voluntary errors, these choices (!!!) disappear on Dvd ?
Thanks to explain.
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@drbryant - thanks for the first hand report! That place seems massive indeed and other than the pit I can't imagine it to be a very good experience...Were these originally $1600 tix?
Hope Mick's voice wasn't too stressed last night. You didn't mention Mixed Emotions, Keith seemed to be slashing his way through that one pretty good!
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Can't wait to see the official dvd if there is one. To hear the solos on Start Me Up, Sympathy, Come Together.
The awful Honk Tonk version.
Ah the magic intervention in the studio ...
Hey if it is what Keith wants now with his playing on stage why these voluntary errors, these choices (!!!) disappear on Dvd ?
Thanks to explain.
Keith probably doesn´t know about this things "disappearing".
It´s Mick who decides what´s left in and what´s left out. Without Keith knowing it, Clearmountain stitches together a solo close to the original, using several live recordings. Of course this is not what Keith intented but Mick wants a clean take. I dont think Keith knows that they have "repaired" the Hyde Park Start-Me-Up-intro for CD/DVD/BR-release.
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Paul McCartney: "Last night the Stones did us a tribute to play one of the Beatles songs... And we're gonna play one of theirs now. It was actually their first hit in England ... and it's one that me and John wrote for 'em."
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I've enjoyed reading through the first hand accounts of those who were there, and the official reviews and it supports what I posted earlier. Being at the gig is a very different experience to watching badly recorded YouTube clips that may only pick up one sound stack or just a bland generalised sound.
There were mistakes, plenty of them, there always is at a Stones show...Mick forgets a line, Keith fluffs his key or solos...it's kinda part of the Stones, they've always done it. I don't see the need to try and make out Keith was doing it on purpose...he wasn't, he @#$%& up, several times. It's not a hanging matter, he's having fun and doesn't pay too much attention to what he's playing these days. No need for us to fall into the emperor's new clothes syndrome!
I've always been very forgiving of mistakes at a live Stones show because they put across such a great feeling. But now I'm not getting that feeling anymore. That, to me is even sadder than the mistakes.
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Well, Paul blew the Stones away is all I can say...
Judging by this video I disagree, Paul sounds like he's ready for retirement home IMO: video: [www.youtube.com]
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StonedRamblerAlso my thoughts. Though I'm thinking the Latina America tour was superb. IMHO in 2013 some arena shows were also a bit lifeless and tired. At the end of the tour they played Hyde Park and Glastonbury which was quite good. For me they had their comeback in 2014. And then they got better and better. So let's hope they get their shape and energy back soon. But I guess it's also about the audience. Just compare is to Argentina last year. That was a whole different energy level.Quote
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I've always been very forgiving of mistakes at a live Stones show because they put across such a great feeling. But now I'm not getting that feeling anymore. That, to me is even sadder than the mistakes.
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powerage78
Can't wait to see the official dvd if there is one. To hear the solos on Start Me Up, Sympathy, Come Together.
The awful Honk Tonk version.
Ah the magic intervention in the studio ...
Hey if it is what Keith wants now with his playing on stage why these voluntary errors, these choices (!!!) disappear on Dvd ?
Thanks to explain.
Keith probably doesn´t know about this things "disappearing".
It´s Mick who decides what´s left in and what´s left out. Without Keith knowing it, Clearmountain stitches together a solo close to the original, using several live recordings. Of course this is not what Keith intented but Mick wants a clean take. I dont think Keith knows that they have "repaired" the Hyde Park Start-Me-Up-intro for CD/DVD/BR-release.
But Keith is still in the band (as a full member, not just a side musician who's got nothing to decide), or did I miss some important news in recent years? Then he obviously doesn't seem to care anymore how his guitar parts are treated to make them suitable for official releases.
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Didn't know that crowd energy can prevent awful solos and painful playing.
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HMS
Keith´ playing on Sympathy is great. He is fully aware of what he´s doing. It isn´t inability. He WANTS to make those grumpy growling sounds. He WANTS it to sound as mean as it gets. He doesn´t want to recreate the solo of the original recording. The man knows what he does!
From 2012 onward I´ve been always looking for the latest Sympathy-version to show up on youtube to enjoy his mean, mean guitar. And he has never disappointed me.
That's exactly what I thought, I just watched the youtube vid and it's pretty clear, he knows what sounds he wants and is making them.
It reminded me of the situation with Streets of Love.........Mick said he was "really pleased with that song because it came out exactly as he'd heard it in his head and it's often difficult to reproduce a song that close".....
Any given punter might not like SOL but that's something else...........
All good and well, but what counts in the end is if it sounds good or not. That's the bottom line, all excuses, as creative as they may be, aside.
Maybe it's Keith's way to fight the bootleggers, because nobody would want to listen to such a mess at home...
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Can't wait to see the official dvd if there is one. To hear the solos on Start Me Up, Sympathy, Come Together.
The awful Honk Tonk version.
Ah the magic intervention in the studio ...
Hey if it is what Keith wants now with his playing on stage why these voluntary errors, these choices (!!!) disappear on Dvd ?
Thanks to explain.
Keith probably doesn´t know about this things "disappearing".
It´s Mick who decides what´s left in and what´s left out. Without Keith knowing it, Clearmountain stitches together a solo close to the original, using several live recordings. Of course this is not what Keith intented but Mick wants a clean take. I dont think Keith knows that they have "repaired" the Hyde Park Start-Me-Up-intro for CD/DVD/BR-release.
But Keith is still in the band (as a full member, not just a side musician who's got nothing to decide), or did I miss some important news in recent years? Then he obviously doesn't seem to care anymore how his guitar parts are treated to make them suitable for official releases.
I don´t think Keith spends hours and hours in a control room supervising the cutting of a DVD-release. Honestly I don´t think he has ever watched/listened to any of the recent DVD/CD-releases (Hyde Park, Ladies & Gentlemen, all of the vaults-releases). To him this would be a waste of time. If he was the only one to decide, we´d get the pure recordings just as they are without any treatments, I guess.
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georgelicks
The band wont be getting any better, the bad playing is here to stay until they hang up the whole act, their drummer is 75 years old and their lead guitar player is close to 73, but after all the drugs, drinks and smoke he looks like a 80+ years old guy.
The end of the line is close, enjoy it until it last, any day could be the last one.
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Nothing wrong with CT , just kinda pointless.
Very much. Even more when the drummer doesn't play the signature drum pattern the song is famous for but prefers to play some dragging beat throughout the entire song.
Don't get me wrong, I welcome the idea that they tried something else from the usual setlist suspects, but then you should do it right. This version wasn't. It was a waste of time.
Ringo didn't play that drum pattern either. But they were very inventive with that tape echo-effect..