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they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
I am almost never among the posters with adequate and exact information to judge everything that has been presented.
To some extent the quoted is a content that I can relate to, though. However, my impression is that Mick's wish to become a solo star had some important antecedents. One is that the Stones had succeded in renewing their fan base on earlier occasions, but in the early '80s there was a new challenge. Another is that especially Mick was aware of a changed scene, following the arrival of MTV and its impact on "overground" popmusic (commercial and not so commercial). At first, it seems to me that by UNDERCOVER Mick Jagger enthousiastically tried to make the Stones compete through the new channels for rock music. During the process, however, my impression is that a split was widening between the two of them as to development of Rolling Stones music. Keith wanting to be creative within the kind of Rolling Stones music that they had formerly developed a "trademark" for, Mick to expand it for the Stones to keep up their position under changed circumstances. My impression is that when Mick apparently considered UNDERCOVER's degree of success somewhat moderate, and aware of their deepening disagreement to more radical innovation of Stones music, then feared that the Rolling Stones were more or less a spent force and destined to fade away. First then a solo career emerged for him as his possibility to continue a career in rock and pop music.
In case, such an interpretation contributes to give another taste to Mick's actions and also to their personal split.
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What would have happened if Jagger had become as succesfull with his own band in the mid-eighties like he did with the Stones ?
The end of The Rolling Stones... until the big money offers came in to get back together again.
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betrayal
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The biggest issue is Mick's jealousy of Keith's solo success.
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The biggest issue is Mick's jealousy of Keith's solo success.
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I think Voodoo Lounge and Steel Wheels were good, Mick's solo stuff not so good and Keith's solo stuff and tours were really good. And I am more of a Mick fan, so just being honest here.
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I think Voodoo Lounge and Steel Wheels were good, Mick's solo stuff not so good and Keith's solo stuff and tours were really good. And I am more of a Mick fan, so just being honest here.
You didn't attend a Wino show did you?
I did in 1992 : 140 dB's for two hours (ouch!) and songs that sounded like a soundcheck ("boom tchak boom tchak" = yawn).
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lem motlow
they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
Where did you get this info?
I love what you said and it is so true this part "It's like watching co -workers who you know hate each other and end up making the best of it and getting along because they have no choice " Are we working for the same people ?Quote
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lem motlow
they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
Where did you get this info?
The post was a joke,the sad thing is there are retards who actually believe that nonsense.the real answer? well-
What happened to Mick and Keith was they turned 40.they grew up,they grew apart and somewhere in the early 80's they broke up the Rolling Stones,then they spent the rest of the decade getting on with their lives.
Any success Mick AND Keith did or didn't have on their own had nothing to do with what ended up being the Rolling Stones Revue.
Michael Cohl had made huge dollars putting a version of Pink Floyd[ or as their fans called it-Pink Fraud]on the road and then His goal was to get the Stones back together-this has been the norm for classic rock bands ever since,put up with your old bandmates for a few months and make millions or for lesser bands touring the showrooms of Indian casinos to make a living.
I can't really tell if Keith really believes all that nonsense about it being a "marriage" or Jagger having "rhino skin" about all the insults-Jagger can't stand him and puts up with it because he can get dressed up and pretend to be MICK JAGGER for a few hours and make millions,then he can go back and do what he really wants,make movies and tv shows,travel and watch football and occasionally make records with people he actually likes.
It's so phony watching them joke around,smile and pose i can't believe anyone falls for it,it's like watching co-workers who you know hate each other and end up making the best of it and getting along because they have no choice.
-so what happend with Mick and Keith? they grew up,they grew old and they grew apart.luckily for a few million we can still see them pretend to be the Stones again a few times a year.
now aren't you sorry you asked...
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lem motlow
they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
Where did you get this info?
The post was a joke,the sad thing is there are retards who actually believe that nonsense.the real answer? well-
What happened to Mick and Keith was they turned 40.they grew up,they grew apart and somewhere in the early 80's they broke up the Rolling Stones,then they spent the rest of the decade getting on with their lives.
Any success Mick AND Keith did or didn't have on their own had nothing to do with what ended up being the Rolling Stones Revue.
Michael Cohl had made huge dollars putting a version of Pink Floyd[ or as their fans called it-Pink Fraud]on the road and then His goal was to get the Stones back together-this has been the norm for classic rock bands ever since,put up with your old bandmates for a few months and make millions or for lesser bands touring the showrooms of Indian casinos to make a living.
I can't really tell if Keith really believes all that nonsense about it being a "marriage" or Jagger having "rhino skin" about all the insults-Jagger can't stand him and puts up with it because he can get dressed up and pretend to be MICK JAGGER for a few hours and make millions,then he can go back and do what he really wants,make movies and tv shows,travel and watch football and occasionally make records with people he actually likes.
It's so phony watching them joke around,smile and pose i can't believe anyone falls for it,it's like watching co-workers who you know hate each other and end up making the best of it and getting along because they have no choice.
-so what happend with Mick and Keith? they grew up,they grew old and they grew apart.luckily for a few million we can still see them pretend to be the Stones again a few times a year.
now aren't you sorry you asked...
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wonderboy
Lem's account makes sense, but I wouldn't say that both of them believed the band had broken up in their early '80s.
I definitely think Mick tried to get out; not so sure about Keith. I mean, he probably realized they were broken up, but I think he wanted to get back together.
I do agree that money became the big motivator, on both of their parts.
I don't think Keith was really all that motivated by making records after the big money started to come in, just looking at his solo career he wasn't all that prolific.
I would guess that Keith's boozing was a bigger problem to Mick than the heroin. Keith in the 70s was easier to deal with, if frustrating.
The saddest thing is that they had such a wonderful *writing* partnership and somewhere along the line (early 70s, probably) it fell apart.
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I saw Keith at the Tower in Philly, 1988 and it was one of the best, hard rocking shows I've ever seen!
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HonkeyTonkFlash
I saw Keith at the Tower in Philly, 1988 and it was one of the best, hard rocking shows I've ever seen!
88 was probably more concise and to the point. In 1992 it felt like Keef was trying to stretch things a bit too far (imo anyway).
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lem motlow
they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
Where did you get this info?
The post was a joke,the sad thing is there are retards who actually believe that nonsense.the real answer? well-
What happened to Mick and Keith was they turned 40.they grew up,they grew apart and somewhere in the early 80's they broke up the Rolling Stones,then they spent the rest of the decade getting on with their lives.
Any success Mick AND Keith did or didn't have on their own had nothing to do with what ended up being the Rolling Stones Revue.
Michael Cohl had made huge dollars putting a version of Pink Floyd[ or as their fans called it-Pink Fraud]on the road and then His goal was to get the Stones back together-this has been the norm for classic rock bands ever since,put up with your old bandmates for a few months and make millions or for lesser bands touring the showrooms of Indian casinos to make a living.
I can't really tell if Keith really believes all that nonsense about it being a "marriage" or Jagger having "rhino skin" about all the insults-Jagger can't stand him and puts up with it because he can get dressed up and pretend to be MICK JAGGER for a few hours and make millions,then he can go back and do what he really wants,make movies and tv shows,travel and watch football and occasionally make records with people he actually likes.
It's so phony watching them joke around,smile and pose i can't believe anyone falls for it,it's like watching co-workers who you know hate each other and end up making the best of it and getting along because they have no choice.
-so what happend with Mick and Keith? they grew up,they grew old and they grew apart.luckily for a few million we can still see them pretend to be the Stones again a few times a year.
now aren't you sorry you asked...
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lem motlow
they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
Where did you get this info?
The post was a joke,the sad thing is there are retards who actually believe that nonsense.the real answer? well-
What happened to Mick and Keith was they turned 40.they grew up,they grew apart and somewhere in the early 80's they broke up the Rolling Stones,then they spent the rest of the decade getting on with their lives.
Any success Mick AND Keith did or didn't have on their own had nothing to do with what ended up being the Rolling Stones Revue.
Michael Cohl had made huge dollars putting a version of Pink Floyd[ or as their fans called it-Pink Fraud]on the road and then His goal was to get the Stones back together-this has been the norm for classic rock bands ever since,put up with your old bandmates for a few months and make millions or for lesser bands touring the showrooms of Indian casinos to make a living.
I can't really tell if Keith really believes all that nonsense about it being a "marriage" or Jagger having "rhino skin" about all the insults-Jagger can't stand him and puts up with it because he can get dressed up and pretend to be MICK JAGGER for a few hours and make millions,then he can go back and do what he really wants,make movies and tv shows,travel and watch football and occasionally make records with people he actually likes.
It's so phony watching them joke around,smile and pose i can't believe anyone falls for it,it's like watching co-workers who you know hate each other and end up making the best of it and getting along because they have no choice.
-so what happend with Mick and Keith? they grew up,they grew old and they grew apart.luckily for a few million we can still see them pretend to be the Stones again a few times a year.
now aren't you sorry you asked...
Probably much truth in this, but it's too simplified – too black and white, I'd say.
There is love, too, not just hate...
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lem motlow
they had a falling out because Mick wanted to be a solo star like Michael Jackson and Keith being the real "rolling stone" of the group wanted to keep the band together and was offended that Mick would play with other musicians in place of the Stones.
Because Keith is so amazingly awesome and such a cool dude he allowed Mick to crawl back to the Stones after his solo career failed so miserably.
Jagger was humbled because his records didn't sell,a couple of them only reaching 2 or 3000 copies and people didn't go to his shows,sometimes only a couple of hundred people showed up.
He redeemed himself by writing the band a letter apoligizing for ever leaving and agreed to never do a solo project again.they've been great friends ever since.
Where did you get this info?
The post was a joke,the sad thing is there are retards who actually believe that nonsense.the real answer? well-
What happened to Mick and Keith was they turned 40.they grew up,they grew apart and somewhere in the early 80's they broke up the Rolling Stones,then they spent the rest of the decade getting on with their lives.
Any success Mick AND Keith did or didn't have on their own had nothing to do with what ended up being the Rolling Stones Revue.
Michael Cohl had made huge dollars putting a version of Pink Floyd[ or as their fans called it-Pink Fraud]on the road and then His goal was to get the Stones back together-this has been the norm for classic rock bands ever since,put up with your old bandmates for a few months and make millions or for lesser bands touring the showrooms of Indian casinos to make a living.
I can't really tell if Keith really believes all that nonsense about it being a "marriage" or Jagger having "rhino skin" about all the insults-Jagger can't stand him and puts up with it because he can get dressed up and pretend to be MICK JAGGER for a few hours and make millions,then he can go back and do what he really wants,make movies and tv shows,travel and watch football and occasionally make records with people he actually likes.
It's so phony watching them joke around,smile and pose i can't believe anyone falls for it,it's like watching co-workers who you know hate each other and end up making the best of it and getting along because they have no choice.
-so what happend with Mick and Keith? they grew up,they grew old and they grew apart.luckily for a few million we can still see them pretend to be the Stones again a few times a year.
now aren't you sorry you asked...
Probably much truth in this, but it's too simplified – too black and white, I'd say.
There is love, too, not just hate...
I don't think they "pretend" to be the Stones at all. They're musicians, not actors. If the moments of grinning at each other and showing affection towards each other are staged then they should win some academy awards. Of course, their relationship has changed. They work together, but don't hang out socially any more...but I think they still have some sort of deep bond...But what do any of us know? The Stones live in a very private, protected world. We're all just making wild guesses here!
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I don't think they "pretend" to be the Stones at all. They're musicians, not actors.
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I don't think they "pretend" to be the Stones at all. They're musicians, not actors.
I'd say you sadly and accidentally hit the nail on the head right there...
They are actors. People pay big money to see them in concert and the expectation is for them to act out their roles on stage.
All FOUR of them.
It's become a gigantic and massive Broadway-type production complete with costumes, cues and a program.
Shit. The thought of these upcoming four over-priced shows, and this thread, are utterly depressing to me.