Keith says it was a phone call to Jazz News and Brian saw a Muddy Waters "LP" lying on the floor, saw the track "Rollin' Stone" and told Jazz News the name of the band was "The Rollin' Stones."
I'm trying to figure out which release he was looking at on the floor back in 1962.
Chess Records 1426 was released in 1950 on a 10" shellac Made in USA.
Vogue Records V2101 was released in 1953 on a 10" shellac Made In England.
Was this track available on any other release in 1962 or prior?
Was it most likely that Vogue Records 10" shellac?
Sure 'nough, he's a rollin' stone

From what I know it's the 1958 issue of THE BEST OF MUDDY WATERS from Chess Records.

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From what I know it's the 1958 issue of THE BEST OF MUDDY WATERS from Chess Records.

That's correct.

I find that story dubious - they didn't have a phone at Edith Grove
(Stu used his work phone to make bookings for the band)
so unless Brian suddenly spotted the album on the floor of a phone booth
he was probably not inspired by the title during the call, but rather before it.
On the other hand, the Mick was carrying The Best of Muddy Waters under his arm
when he encountered Keith on that historic day on the train or train platform.

Wait a minute. Are you implying Muddy was not painting the ceiling at Edith Grove while on the phone that didn't exist?

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I find that story dubious - they didn't have a phone at Edith Grove

As soon as I saw "Keith says..." I thought, uh oh, and sure enough, it couldn't possibly have happened the way the endlessly retold story has it.

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I find that story dubious - they didn't have a phone at Edith Grove
(Stu used his work phone to make bookings for the band)
so unless Brian suddenly spotted the album on the floor of a phone booth
he was probably not inspired by the title during the call, but rather before it.
On the other hand, the Mick was carrying The Best of Muddy Waters under his arm
when he encountered Keith on that historic day on the train or train platform.

Also, the band were named and played their first gig almost two months before the move in to Edith Grove.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

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Also, the band were named and played their first gig almost two months before the move in to Edith Grove.

So theoretically Brian could have been living in a place with a phone?
Was it the place where the kitchen ceiling got a hole burnt in it?

The story makes it sound as if the thought of naming the band never occurred to them until that supposed phone call.
The Kinks and the Who also have odd stories that make it sound they came up with their band names on the spur of the moment.
Course one of the great stories is how Led Zeppelin came up with their name.

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Keith says it was a phone call to Jazz News and Brian saw a Muddy Waters "LP" lying on the floor, saw the track "Rollin' Stone" and told Jazz News the name of the band was "The Rollin' Stones."
I'm trying to figure out which release he was looking at on the floor back in 1962.
Chess Records 1426 was released in 1950 on a 10" shellac Made in USA.
Vogue Records V2101 was released in 1953 on a 10" shellac Made In England.
Was this track available on any other release in 1962 or prior?
Was it most likely that Vogue Records 10" shellac?
Sure 'nough, he's a rollin' stone

Brian was in a phone box and Keith was lying on the floor outside, still clasping that Muddy Waters album...........

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Also, the band were named and played their first gig almost two months before the move in to Edith Grove.

So theoretically Brian could have been living in a place with a phone?
Was it the place where the kitchen ceiling got a hole burnt in it?

Our problem, as historians, is that we have to rely on Keef's memories because, we are told, he remembers everything whereas, we are also told (by Keef), Mick can't remember anything.
Brian and Stu are no longer around to give us their memories so we have to rely on what is in print.
In this letter to Jazz News, dated July 2nd from Powis Square, Brian says that Mick has already phoned Jazz News (presumably from his parent's house) with details of the band's name and the date of their gig at the Marquee.
It's quite likely that Mick tells them that Mick Avory will be playing drums as he had recently rehearsed with them but by the time that Brian writes his letter it has become clear that this will not be the case hence Brian's "wishful thinking" of including Howling Wolf's drummer in the line -up.
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Jazz News July 11 1962

It mustn't be forgotten that print media took time to be published back in the day, Mick's phoned in information obviously made the print deadlines whereas Brian's letter wouldn't necessarily have been received in time to make print deadlines and it might not even have been read.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Brian's letter says "with Mick Jagger".

Huh.

Some in the press thought it was Mick Jagger & The Rolling Stones.

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What wonderful statement in one of the clips:

"I hope they don't think we're a rock'n 'roll outfit", says Mick!

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I'm trying to figure out which release he was looking at on the floor back in 1962.

"The Best of Muddy Waters album was lying on the floor—and track five, side one was 'Rollin' Stone'." -- [en.wikipedia.org] .

Could be then Chess–LP 1427, US 1957: [www.discogs.com] .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2016-10-03 19:20 by Irix.

I've never seen that hand written note.

To me, it really shows Brian's insecurity with his role in the band.