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She's The Boss contained competent pop-rock but it sorely missed the X-factor that happens when guys like Charlie Watts and Keith Richards are creating the grooves behind you; not to mention a bassist like Bill Wyman. That X-factor is a huge part of the Stones success. It's hard to find words to describe or define it but you know it when you hear it. On Mick's solo work, you didn't hear it.

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I can't stop thinking about that article...thanks for posting it Bliss.
What an incredibly well-written piece of rock journalism.

Keith's book turned the tide for me.
It made me angry and I question anyone that claims to have enjoyed it.

Couple that with the trumped up publicity over his latest solo release and I feel like the curtain has been lifted. The Wizard of Tongues has been exposed and all of it feels rather fake to me now.

Damnit.
Instead of ending their careers on a high and mighty note, now the Glimmers are looking rather Dusty. Keith should have known better and keep his trap shut.

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..."trumped up" promotion probably wasn't the term I was looking for.

But the constant fawning over an album that was chock full of songs that had been languishing in the can for years seems a tad bit hypocritical. Especially with the high-praise coming from people that find it hip to now criticize 'Tattoo You' for the same approach. It was officially a new release. An album of songs. It just wasn't that great.

I'm sadly turned off by the guy now. It's no longer cool to worship an old, bitter cliched rock and roll 'pirate'. His image has out-grown reality.

In my not so humble opinion.

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..."trumped up" promotion probably wasn't the term I was looking for.

But the constant fawning over an album that was chock full of songs that had been languishing in the can for years seems a tad bit hypocritical. Especially with the high-praise coming from people that find it hip to now criticize 'Tattoo You' for the same approach. It was officially a new release. An album of songs. It just wasn't that great.

I'm sadly turned off by the guy now. It's no longer cool to worship an old, bitter cliched rock and roll 'pirate'. His image has out-grown reality.

In my not so humble opinion.

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Side note - on another board, a guy who has worked concert security for many years was asked about Mick and Keith. He had worked on the 50 and Counting tour. He mentioned that Mick's proclivity for under-25 year old girls was still alive and well, that they both 'powdered their noses,' and had nothing to do with each other backstage.

everybody who ever worked a hotdog stand at a stones show wants to sound important.the guy is full of shit,in this day and age there is no way mick or keith would let some low level security guard see them doing blow,even if they were.mick likes young women?,i'm speechless-this is gonna send shockwaves through stonesworld.

the guy in the article pretty much said what alot of us have been thinking for years.as much as i love keith,there isn't a rock and roll icon exception to the absolute destruction drug and alchohol addiction causes.
after taking every word keith said as gospel for years it dawned on me one day that he was no different from my old friends who had ruined their lives and that of their families and alienated those closest to them.
as i grew up one thing i noticed,somebody always has to pick up the slack.well, who picked up the slack for my main man?-that was the day i started looking at jagger in a completely different light.
i'm not trying to make one the good guy and one the bad guy because the lesson is we're all human and even our heroes sometimes take a fall.it just gave me a certain amount of sympathy for one of the old devils that wasn't there before, and it needs to be said.

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This article might shed some light..

Goddamn...that's a great (and brutal) article.

That may, in fact be as close to the truth as we're ever gonna get.

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This article might shed some light..

Goddamn...that's a great (and brutal) article.

That may, in fact be as close to the truth as we're ever gonna get.

Can you sing a single chorus from Dirty Work? Name a single track? We certainly don't play songs from those records in concert if we can help it.

THAT is spot on.

It's a bit silly, especially I literally wrote a song called "She's So Cold" and then, a few years later, one called "She Was Hot."

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People complain about Mick being overly cautious with his image, which makes me laugh. NO ONE is more acutely aware and plays up his manufactured image than Keith. At least Mick acts his age with some dignity when he's offstage.

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..."trumped up" promotion probably wasn't the term I was looking for.

But the constant fawning over an album that was chock full of songs that had been languishing in the can for years seems a tad bit hypocritical. Especially with the high-praise coming from people that find it hip to now criticize 'Tattoo You' for the same approach. It was officially a new release. An album of songs. It just wasn't that great.

I'm sadly turned off by the guy now. It's no longer cool to worship an old, bitter cliched rock and roll 'pirate'. His image has out-grown reality.

In my not so humble opinion.

I agree. My infatuation with Keith has dissipated over the last 10 years. Still love him, but I don't romanticize his life the way I used to.

People complain about Mick being overly cautious with his image, which makes me laugh. NO ONE is more acutely aware and plays up his manufactured image than Keith. At least Mick acts his age with some dignity when he's offstage.

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..."trumped up" promotion probably wasn't the term I was looking for.

But the constant fawning over an album that was chock full of songs that had been languishing in the can for years seems a tad bit hypocritical. Especially with the high-praise coming from people that find it hip to now criticize 'Tattoo You' for the same approach. It was officially a new release. An album of songs. It just wasn't that great.

I'm sadly turned off by the guy now. It's no longer cool to worship an old, bitter cliched rock and roll 'pirate'. His image has out-grown reality.

In my not so humble opinion.

I agree. My infatuation with Keith has dissipated over the last 10 years. Still love him, but I don't romanticize his life the way I used to.

People complain about Mick being overly cautious with his image, which makes me laugh. NO ONE is more acutely aware and plays up his manufactured image than Keith. At least Mick acts his age with some dignity when he's offstage.

Yes, most men in their 70's still chase after young women and even father children with them!

They are who they are, flaws and all, and don't we love them for it?

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..."trumped up" promotion probably wasn't the term I was looking for.

But the constant fawning over an album that was chock full of songs that had been languishing in the can for years seems a tad bit hypocritical. Especially with the high-praise coming from people that find it hip to now criticize 'Tattoo You' for the same approach. It was officially a new release. An album of songs. It just wasn't that great.

I'm sadly turned off by the guy now. It's no longer cool to worship an old, bitter cliched rock and roll 'pirate'. His image has out-grown reality.

In my not so humble opinion.

I agree. My infatuation with Keith has dissipated over the last 10 years. Still love him, but I don't romanticize his life the way I used to.

People complain about Mick being overly cautious with his image, which makes me laugh. NO ONE is more acutely aware and plays up his manufactured image than Keith. At least Mick acts his age with some dignity when he's offstage.

Yes, most men in their 70's still chase after young women and even father children with them!

They are who they are, flaws and all, and don't we love them for it?

I knew someone would bring that up, but you know what I mean.

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..."trumped up" promotion probably wasn't the term I was looking for.

But the constant fawning over an album that was chock full of songs that had been languishing in the can for years seems a tad bit hypocritical. Especially with the high-praise coming from people that find it hip to now criticize 'Tattoo You' for the same approach. It was officially a new release. An album of songs. It just wasn't that great.

I'm sadly turned off by the guy now. It's no longer cool to worship an old, bitter cliched rock and roll 'pirate'. His image has out-grown reality.

In my not so humble opinion.

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So here's my chunk of pure speculation....

.Keith has said a lot of stuff over the years but I wonder if most of Keith's most unforgivable remarks were when he was in the bubble of book writing, reliving the events of his life, including real and imagined betrayals, recovering from his head injury, managing cocaine withdrawal and trying to get his medication right And it was not that long after he thought he was going to lose Patti too.

Didn't He say recently that it's only looking back he realised how off balance He was over a long period of time ?

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And you're only getting one side. Does anyone doubt that Keith could be quite a handful at times? He doesn't exactly lay his faults bare in 'Life' does he? Neither does Bill in his two books. Wouldn't you love to have Brian's opinion of each of them?

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So here's my chunk of pure speculation....

.Keith has said a lot of stuff over the years but I wonder if most of Keith's most unforgivable remarks were when he was in the bubble of book writing, reliving the events of his life, including real and imagined betrayals, recovering from his head injury, managing cocaine withdrawal and trying to get his medication right And it was not that long after he thought he was going to lose Patti too.

Didn't He say recently that it's only looking back he realised how off balance He was over a long period of time ?

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And you're only getting one side. Does anyone doubt that Keith could be quite a handful at times? He doesn't exactly lay his faults bare in 'Life' does he? Neither does Bill in his two books. Wouldn't you love to have Brian's opinion of each of them?

Actually, NO ONE can doubt that fact because there's abundant, irrefutable proof that Keith was, and is, "quite a handful."

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I think you're onto something there, EJM. I too think they have reached some kind of rapprochement in their relationship. Time and events do have a way of healing old hurts.

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Actually, NO ONE can doubt that fact because there's abundant, irrefutable proof that Keith was, and is, "quite a handful."
Ha Ha pretty funny Keefriff99
Yeah, people putting down large quanties of daily hard liquor are indeed
difficult to be close to/ have a relation.
Maybe Mick wanted his old pal to take better care of himself.

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Actually, NO ONE can doubt that fact because there's abundant, irrefutable proof that Keith was, and is, "quite a handful."
Ha Ha pretty funny Keefriff99
Yeah, people putting down large quanties of daily hard liquor are indeed
difficult to be close to/ have a relation.
Maybe Mick wanted his old pal to take better care of himself.

There was an anecdote in a Rolling Stone article that came out for the B2B tour back in 1997 about Keith...don't recall the exact details, but someone had died in Keith's (or Patti's) family, and he asked Ronnie stay with him, and Ronnie left at some point, and when Ronnie returned, the room was dark, and Keith lunged at him, made a gurgling noise and grabbed him by the throat. Keith was asked about the incident and he said something like, "I made a mistake..."

I mean, that's dark, scary stuff, and this was when he was in his 50s.

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Actually, NO ONE can doubt that fact because there's abundant, irrefutable proof that Keith was, and is, "quite a handful."
Ha Ha pretty funny Keefriff99
Yeah, people putting down large quanties of daily hard liquor are indeed
difficult to be close to/ have a relation.
Maybe Mick wanted his old pal to take better care of himself.

There was an anecdote in a Rolling Stone article that came out for the B2B tour back in 1997 about Keith...don't recall the exact details, but someone had died in Keith's (or Patti's) family, and he asked Ronnie stay with him, and Ronnie left at some point, and when Ronnie returned, the room was dark, and Keith lunged at him, made a gurgling noise and grabbed him by the throat. Keith was asked about the incident and he said something like, "I made a mistake..."

I mean, that's dark, scary stuff, and this was when he was in his 50s.

*Ah, it's not that scary, because just from what I see/ sense/ long history to judge, Keith Richards is not a violent man.
Same for Brad Pitt ;-)
Hey, as a human on the planet Earth,
we all lose our cool ONCE IN AWHILE.
And the reason it stays a rare occurrence,
I'd guess, is the quick recognition, remorse, apology, sincerity of awareness of others.

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Actually, NO ONE can doubt that fact because there's abundant, irrefutable proof that Keith was, and is, "quite a handful."
Ha Ha pretty funny Keefriff99
Yeah, people putting down large quanties of daily hard liquor are indeed
difficult to be close to/ have a relation.
Maybe Mick wanted his old pal to take better care of himself.

There was an anecdote in a Rolling Stone article that came out for the B2B tour back in 1997 about Keith...don't recall the exact details, but someone had died in Keith's (or Patti's) family, and he asked Ronnie stay with him, and Ronnie left at some point, and when Ronnie returned, the room was dark, and Keith lunged at him, made a gurgling noise and grabbed him by the throat. Keith was asked about the incident and he said something like, "I made a mistake..."

I mean, that's dark, scary stuff, and this was when he was in his 50s.

*Ah, it's not that scary, because just from what I see/ sense/ long history to judge, Keith Richards is not a violent man.
Same for Brad Pitt ;-)
Hey, as a human on the planet Earth,
we all lose our cool ONCE IN AWHILE.
And the reason it stays a rare occurrence,
I'd guess, is the quick recognition, remorse, apology, sincerity of awareness of others.

If I remember the article correctly, Keith was strangling Ronnie before he finally let him go. That's not normal "I just lost my cool" behavior in my book.

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Re: the Keith attacking Ronnie story.
Like a lot of Keith stories, I used to think it said one thing, but now being a little older I see it in a different light.
When I was younger I saw a bad ass with a cool knife.
Now I see a man who was afraid to be by himself and either couldn't handle doing something difficult like going to be with his wife at a difficult time (or was trapped inside the Stones schedule and couldn't get away.) At the same time he was out of his head with various chemicals. Straight people don't attack each other. But finally, people put up with it because there must be good things about being his friend.