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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

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And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

I feel the need to disagree. Although a rather good song (compared to the other stuff from GITD) it is ruined by "modern" production. Blue sounds like the Blues but it´s the Blues being raped by Mick this time. It is overproduced in the most awful way. The song is ok (7/10), it´s the production that sucks.

"Best track since TY, Stones and solo?" Never, there´s plenty of better songs, imo.

It's not a blues tune at all. It's good, but nothing extraordinary, imo. I'd rather listen to Tie You Up 50 times in a row





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It has a lot of Blues-feeling, imo. And a great Blues-harp too. Unfortunately it gets too bloated and theatrical after the first three minutes. Anyway it is indeed the best Goddess-track along with God Gave Me Everything. When I first heard Blue it even gave me goosebumps. But the more you hear it the more it loses its impact.

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

i've never heard the tattoo you track...what album is it on?!

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It has a lot of Blues-feeling, imo. And a great Blues-harp too. Unfortunately it gets too bloated and theatrical after the first three minutes. Anyway it is indeed the best Goddess-track along with God Gave Me Everything. When I first heard Blue it even gave me goosebumps. But the more you hear it the more it loses its impact.

It's a pop tune with slide and a harmonica, true. And it has a (trustworthy/untrustworthy - pick the one you like) sadness to it.

But it's not a blues song.

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It has a lot of Blues-feeling, imo. And a great Blues-harp too. Unfortunately it gets too bloated and theatrical after the first three minutes. Anyway it is indeed the best Goddess-track along with God Gave Me Everything. When I first heard Blue it even gave me goosebumps. But the more you hear it the more it loses its impact.

It's a pop tune with slide and a harmonica, true. And it has a (trustworthy/untrustworthy - pick the one you like) sadness to it.

But it's not a blues song.

That's part of the genius here. "Blue" escapes easy classification. It has blues, country and gospel elements. Sort of "Exile" in a nutshell.

I stand by my words, I never heard a more interesting track from them (band/solo) since "Tattoo You". OK, maybe "Continental Drift". But had Mick saved this one for "A Bigger Bang" it would have been hailed as a masterpiece with some Keith touches here and there.

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It has a lot of Blues-feeling, imo. And a great Blues-harp too. Unfortunately it gets too bloated and theatrical after the first three minutes. Anyway it is indeed the best Goddess-track along with God Gave Me Everything. When I first heard Blue it even gave me goosebumps. But the more you hear it the more it loses its impact.

It's a pop tune with slide and a harmonica, true. And it has a (trustworthy/untrustworthy - pick the one you like) sadness to it.

But it's not a blues song.

That's part of the genius here. "Blue" escapes easy classification. It has blues, country and gospel elements. Sort of "Exile" in a nutshell.

I stand by my words, I never heard a more interesting track from them (band/solo) since "Tattoo You". OK, maybe "Continental Drift". But had Mick saved this one for "A Bigger Bang" it would have been hailed as a masterpiece with some Keith touches here and there.

It's a good song indeed. Post TY from their solo canons, I find songs like Make No Mistake, I Gotta See, Hate It When You Leave, Evening Gown and Wandering Spirit more interesting, though.

Good call on Continental Drift. I'd add Terrifying and How Can I Stop as well.

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It has a lot of Blues-feeling, imo. And a great Blues-harp too. Unfortunately it gets too bloated and theatrical after the first three minutes. Anyway it is indeed the best Goddess-track along with God Gave Me Everything. When I first heard Blue it even gave me goosebumps. But the more you hear it the more it loses its impact.

It's a pop tune with slide and a harmonica, true. And it has a (trustworthy/untrustworthy - pick the one you like) sadness to it.

But it's not a blues song.

That's part of the genius here. "Blue" escapes easy classification. It has blues, country and gospel elements. Sort of "Exile" in a nutshell.

I stand by my words, I never heard a more interesting track from them (band/solo) since "Tattoo You". OK, maybe "Continental Drift". But had Mick saved this one for "A Bigger Bang" it would have been hailed as a masterpiece with some Keith touches here and there.

It's a good song indeed. Post TY from their solo canons, I find songs like Make No Mistake, I Gotta See, Hate It When You Leave, Evening Gown and Wandering Spirit more interesting, though.

Good call on Continental Drift. I'd add Terrifying and How Can I Stop as well.

Great songs in your list, indeed. But with "interesting", I meant the surprising changes in the tune, its unpredictablity - one can not imagine from the first notes how the song would continue and end. It's like various song sketches thrown together to create a single song - which works surprisingly well here. Maybe Mick was inspired by the Beatles "A Day In The Life" at the time to try this technique! You just don't get that very often from the Stones camp!

I also have never heard of a Rolling Stones song called "Tattoo You".

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

i've never heard the tattoo you track...what album is it on?!

I think it is punctuation that throws you off; the comma. Looks like R. Dog was saying something about Tattoo You-era Stones.

All this discussion shows that there is a need for (not only) Mick to have another possibility as an output of his creativity. If you listen to Mick's and Keith's solos I hear more differences to a Rolling Stones record than things they share. And that's THE argument for a solo career besides the Stones!!!

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

i've never heard the tattoo you track...what album is it on?!

I think it is punctuation that throws you off; the comma. Looks like R. Dog was saying something about Tattoo You-era Stones.

No, I was talking about the song "Tattoo You", an unreleased outtake that's only circulating amongst high-profile collectors...

I'm joking here. Of course you are right! I thought it was obvious what I meant.

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It has a lot of Blues-feeling, imo. And a great Blues-harp too. Unfortunately it gets too bloated and theatrical after the first three minutes. Anyway it is indeed the best Goddess-track along with God Gave Me Everything. When I first heard Blue it even gave me goosebumps. But the more you hear it the more it loses its impact.

Blue and Lonesome could definitely use it if that song was produced in the same way. At least something happens.

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All this discussion shows that there is a need for (not only) Mick to have another possibility as an output of his creativity. If you listen to Mick's and Keith's solos I hear more differences to a Rolling Stones record than things they share. And that's THE argument for a solo career besides the Stones!!!

At least my ears hear a lot of songs that would have graced any Stones album since Undercover and could have turned them into, well, simply better albums.

But I also hear subpar stuff on both Mick's and Keith's solo albums (with the exception of Talk Is Cheap and Wandering Spirit that both maintain a high level almost throughout) that makes me wonder why they bothered at all to record it.

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

No the song is only average/

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

No the song is only average/

I'd go a step further and say it's below average.
Sounds like a cross between some of the newfangled junky 'country' that permeates the country charts and a forgotten Black Crowes throwaway.

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

No the song is only average/

I'd go a step further and say it's below average.
Sounds like a cross between some of the newfangled junky 'country' that permeates the country charts and a forgotten Black Crowes throwaway.

Aaaah, the usual "it can't be good because it's from Mick" bullshit.

I sincerely hope that with your high standarts you'll find something enjoyable like, let's say "Infamy", on the next Stones album.

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

No the song is only average/

I'd go a step further and say it's below average.
Sounds like a cross between some of the newfangled junky 'country' that permeates the country charts and a forgotten Black Crowes throwaway.

Aaaah, the usual "it can't be good because it's from Mick" bullshit.

I sincerely hope that with your high standarts you'll find something enjoyable like, let's say "Infamy", on the next Stones album.

Have you heard Mick's unreleased album with the Red Devils?
Now that's good!

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Yeah I have The unreleased Red Devil stuff with Mick, Love It!

evening gown one of the best songs ever in life imo...



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The single tracks 'Memo From Turner" and 'Too Many Cooks" were excellent, as were his guest appearances on Peter Wolf's albums--His work on the Chieftains album was also good , and on "You're so Vain". His contributions to Ron Woods solo stuff was also spot on.
As far a whole albums go, the only one I really like was "Wandering Spirit"-
the rest I could do without.

I like his work outside the Stones more as a one-off contributor rather than as a full fledged solo outing.

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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

No the song is only average/

I'd go a step further and say it's below average.
Sounds like a cross between some of the newfangled junky 'country' that permeates the country charts and a forgotten Black Crowes throwaway.

Blue is one of Jagger's better solo songs. It's only people that like bad music that think it stinks.

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All this discussion shows that there is a need for (not only) Mick to have another possibility as an output of his creativity. If you listen to Mick's and Keith's solos I hear more differences to a Rolling Stones record than things they share. And that's THE argument for a solo career besides the Stones!!!

At least my ears hear a lot of songs that would have graced any Stones album since Undercover and could have turned them into, well, simply better albums.

But I also hear subpar stuff on both Mick's and Keith's solo albums (with the exception of Talk Is Cheap and Wandering Spirit that both maintain a high level almost throughout) that makes me wonder why they bothered at all to record it.

I actually do agree with you and would have preferred some of his stuff in a Stones arrangement. But a solo release gives way to different, maybe to be called more 'modern' sounds, different instrumentation and other styles. That is why I think that f.e. Super Heavy was great. (I don't know if you accept that as a proof but about half a dozen friends and colleagues at work who never bothered about the Stones have bought the record and started discovering the Stones from that record!).
In general, I don't think it would have hurt the band if Mick and Keith would have released solo material regularly and thus keeping the band also in the headlines.
Especially on Wandering Spirit there are some real hard rockers that would have fit Deep Purple or the like but are better kept on a solo album.



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Can't think of any diamonds in the rough throughout Mick's entire solo catalogue.
Perhaps there's tiny glimmers of hope, but even they fall short of the mark.

And then there's "Blue", the best track since "Tattoo You", Stones and solo. Unfortunately hidden on a Goddess single b-side.

Read more here:

[www.iorr.org]

i've never heard the tattoo you track...what album is it on?!

I think it is punctuation that throws you off; the comma. Looks like R. Dog was saying something about Tattoo You-era Stones.

damn need for punctuation i think that there should be a world without punctuation what do you think i think that would be a great idea and that way the misuse of punctuation would never lead to these misunderstandings if you get what i mean right thought so

Wandering Spirit is great. What's the problem!!!!

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Wandering Spirit is great. What's the problem!!!!

Agreed.

I think he wanted to prove that at 50 he still had it.

And he did.

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Wandering Spirit is great. What's the problem!!!!

Agreed.

I think he wanted to prove that at 50 he still had it.

And he did.

And his concert in NY in 93 was great as well.
More down to earth and focus on singing. He had good musicians around him, Jimmy Rip for example...

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Aaaah, the usual "it can't be good because it's from Mick" bullshit.

‘Blue’ starts off impressively, which is to say it sounds very Stonesy, but you know you’re listening to a Mick solo tune the moment he slips into that affectedly hurt and whiny voice a minute and a half or so in: ‘And I never know where to draw the line...’ And yeah, a song can't be good when he does that. But nobody said or implied that Mick is incapable of writing decent songs. You shouldn't be parroting the thoughts of others at any time - it's weak and lame, dog - but especially when you're quoting a strawman.

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Wandering Spirit is great. What's the problem!!!!

There are good songs on it, but the sound, especially of the guitars and especially on the "rock" songs, is too slick, the 80's and 90s were full of this "loud guitar-solos" by some long-haired fool and they follow the same predictable pattern using the same effects. But the worst part is his voice doing too much of that fake emotional thing which he started to do somewhere in the 80s. I never really understood why he started doing that, given how good is voice, timing and intonation had been in the decades before. All of this makes Wandering Spirit unlistenable to me.