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Here is a statement: I'm not so sure it's okey that the signature Stones50 is acting like a thought police on this forum reporting every post that doesn't conform with his political ties.
Recently he closed down the Murdoch thread because someone dared to criticize Rupert Murdoch. Isn't it enough with one moderator on this forum?
There is a flip side to this argument, and I'm not talking about this site. Political correctness run amok can create a stiffling environment where the fear of verbal retribution is so great, no one dares risks saying what they really think. All discourse becomes meaningless and boring. Where to draw the line between abuse and thoughtful debate is a tough one. I've seen this play out on other sites.
Not always necessarily political correctness, which I totally agree can get pretty dull. But the element of "group think" whether politically correct or not can be extremely influential in determining the flavor and content of peoples posts and certainly scares off a large element of people who would probably post contrasting opinions. We've seen it here on iorr quite a bit, plenty of old posters we rarely see anymore and likely this is one of the reasons, many have outright said this was the case.
But to get more back on topic, the real interesting discussion often happens when people are brave enough to post often contrasting or unpopular opinions and they are engaged in a friendly non-abusive way with actual discussion related to their opinions. And it's nice to see people with minds open enough to see other sides to stories, change their opinions based on the "thoughtful debate" and not be so attached to their views that they hold on to them like a pit bull.
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Here is a statement: I'm not so sure it's okey that the signature Stones50 is acting like a thought police on this forum reporting every post that doesn't conform with his political ties.
Recently he closed down the Murdoch thread because someone dared to criticize Rupert Murdoch. Isn't it enough with one moderator on this forum?
There is a flip side to this argument, and I'm not talking about this site. Political correctness run amok can create a stiffling environment where the fear of verbal retribution is so great, no one dares risks saying what they really think. All discourse becomes meaningless and boring. Where to draw the line between abuse and thoughtful debate is a tough one. I've seen this play out on other sites.
Not always necessarily political correctness, which I totally agree can get pretty dull. But the element of "group think" whether politically correct or not can be extremely influential in determining the flavor and content of peoples posts and certainly scares off a large element of people who would probably post contrasting opinions. We've seen it here on iorr quite a bit, plenty of old posters we rarely see anymore and likely this is one of the reasons, many have outright said this was the case.
But to get more back on topic, the real interesting discussion often happens when people are brave enough to post often contrasting or unpopular opinions and they are engaged in a friendly non-abusive way with actual discussion related to their opinions. And it's nice to see people with minds open enough to see other sides to stories, change their opinions based on the "thoughtful debate" and not be so attached to their views that they hold on to them like a pit bull.
Who are those old posters that don't want to post here anymore because of «groupthink» or because they were «scared off»?
I have never seen a Stones forum with more diverse opinions and with more frequent discussing of things than IORR.
You must mean rather new posters, and if they were «scared off» it must have had more to do with not being used to be corrected when stating baseless «facts» in a cocksure manner than groupthink?
When people are corrected, they'll just have make a stronger effort to show that the info upholds, imo.
The songwriting credit threads are good examples of good old high temperature IORR disagreement. Some people can take it, some can't. There are thousands of threads here, one can't be the one with the answers in all of them.
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Here is a statement: I'm not so sure it's okey that the signature Stones50 is acting like a thought police on this forum reporting every post that doesn't conform with his political ties.
Recently he closed down the Murdoch thread because someone dared to criticize Rupert Murdoch. Isn't it enough with one moderator on this forum?
There is a flip side to this argument, and I'm not talking about this site. Political correctness run amok can create a stiffling environment where the fear of verbal retribution is so great, no one dares risks saying what they really think. All discourse becomes meaningless and boring. Where to draw the line between abuse and thoughtful debate is a tough one. I've seen this play out on other sites.
Not always necessarily political correctness, which I totally agree can get pretty dull. But the element of "group think" whether politically correct or not can be extremely influential in determining the flavor and content of peoples posts and certainly scares off a large element of people who would probably post contrasting opinions. We've seen it here on iorr quite a bit, plenty of old posters we rarely see anymore and likely this is one of the reasons, many have outright said this was the case.
But to get more back on topic, the real interesting discussion often happens when people are brave enough to post often contrasting or unpopular opinions and they are engaged in a friendly non-abusive way with actual discussion related to their opinions. And it's nice to see people with minds open enough to see other sides to stories, change their opinions based on the "thoughtful debate" and not be so attached to their views that they hold on to them like a pit bull.
Who are those old posters that don't want to post here anymore because of «groupthink» or because they were «scared off»?
I have never seen a Stones forum with more diverse opinions and with more frequent discussing of things than IORR.
You must mean rather new posters, and if they were «scared off» it must have had more to do with not being used to be corrected when stating baseless «facts» in a cocksure manner than groupthink?
When people are corrected, they'll just have make a stronger effort to show that the info upholds, imo.
The songwriting credit threads are good examples of good old high temperature IORR disagreement. Some people can take it, some can't. There are thousands of threads here, one can't be the one with the answers in all of them.
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I've half-jokingly banned the use of smartphones (and cell phones in general) from my studio, in order to keep human interaction the priority.
15 years ago the cellphone ban in my studio was half-hearted. It's now non-negotiable. I have a hanging storage unit (originally designed for shoes) on the entry door where everyone is required to leave their phone. If they bring it inside and I see it, they are given the choice of removing it, removing themselves and it, or ending the session. If it rings, beeps or produces any sort of sound/distraction which causes me to notice it, the session is over at that moment.
I figure that if I can & am willing to give my 100% attention to the work being done, so can everyone else. If they can't do that, I figure I've got better things to do with my time and energy.
Before anyone asks, yes, this policy has hurt feelings, "ruffled feathers", and probably cost me some opportunities. I'm OK with that. My studio, my policies, my consequences. At someone else's studio, I'll follow their rules.
Peace,
Mr DJA
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it's when "facts" are stated as opinions
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it's when "facts" are stated as opinions
Or even worse, when opinions are stated as facts
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Turner68
I think that repetition gets old pretty fast. It is fair to expect to be able to post your own opinion without people jumping down your throat. If you repeatedly post your own negative opinion without adding anything new (eg "mick Taylor stinks") then it becomes trolling. I've seen people on here do that, have people get annoyed at them, and then complain that diverse viewpoints aren't tolerated lol.
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I think that repetition gets old pretty fast. It is fair to expect to be able to post your own opinion without people jumping down your throat. If you repeatedly post your own negative opinion without adding anything new (eg "mick Taylor stinks") then it becomes trolling. I've seen people on here do that, have people get annoyed at them, and then complain that diverse viewpoints aren't tolerated lol.
Yes but to be fair, positive repetition can get just as old just as fast. I like Keith's new record quite a bit but reading some of the repetition on the CH thread from the same 4 or 5 posters was making me a bit mad. lol We get it, you love the record, unless you have something more specific to add why continue to post the same old thing?
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I think that repetition gets old pretty fast. It is fair to expect to be able to post your own opinion without people jumping down your throat. If you repeatedly post your own negative opinion without adding anything new (eg "mick Taylor stinks") then it becomes trolling. I've seen people on here do that, have people get annoyed at them, and then complain that diverse viewpoints aren't tolerated lol.
Yes but to be fair, positive repetition can get just as old just as fast. I like Keith's new record quite a bit but reading some of the repetition on the CH thread from the same 4 or 5 posters was making me a bit mad. lol We get it, you love the record, unless you have something more specific to add why continue to post the same old thing?
Why not just try ignoring repetitive posts, positive or negative, if they are bothering you? What I don't get is why it annoys some people so much and why they can't just let it go. If people don't respond to a commment, then the noise usually dies down. Of course, if it does get to the point of trolling, then that's a different story and that's usually when the moderator steps in to take care of it. Repeated negative commments do tend to bug me because, let's face it, they are a downer. So, I either stay away or scroll past quickly. But, I can't see how you can get worked up over positive commments, whether you agree with them or not. A little sunshine is always good in my world.
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Crosseyed Heart is an absolutely great album indeed!
There's been lots of diversion in that thread, and indeed some of it has become repetitive, but there's still something new to say depending on how it evolves.
That's the nature of a conversation with multiple people contributing over an extended period of time.
If it get's boring for you, there's always the SuperHeavy thread to look at.
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DandelionPowderman
NL, you say that old posters "outright have given groupthink and being scared off" as reasons for leaving - is it too much to ask for who you had in mind? This was not just your opinion, since they so clearly said why.
You know perfectly well that the old posters among the names you mentioned never have stated that.
Why would some posters' praisal of an album they like offend you in any way? After all, that should be a positive thing?
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That's all right, NL. No, I'm not serious about making such a list. But perhaps you don't have to use as strong words about it, because it affects a whole forum where many might think that posters are being driven away? You post a lot, and many listen to you - just a thought...
I will certainly work on my praising, and do my part to increase the quality of it
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I don't see that the writer has any evidence that Twitter is dying, actually, except in his own personal experience of it.
Twitter is a Zoo, that is my personal opinion, but the public opinion is the fact that Twitter are in trouble, their stock value has been falling 50% in four months and they have to layoff 8% of their workforce, very unusual in this business. The financial facts for those who care:
Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey gives $200M in stock to employees
Since being renamed chief executive,
Dorsey has launched restructuring that cut 8% of workforce
[www.cbc.ca]
Still. That is not the point. Twitter is not interesting. The abuse as a modern Internet issue is the problem. Most online media do not accept personal opinions anymore, because of all the abuse. If you ever care to read the comments people place under news articles online, it is all abuse, abuse, abuse. It is a zoo. Even with full names and identities and images from facebook, people post their grumpy verbal offending narrow minded comments to millions of readers. So they close these threads at nights and week-ends, they have a large staff moderating the worst bits. The real issue is the fact that many people do not think before they post. And they do not have the respect needed in order to live with other people in an online community.
I will give an example:
There is this guy in Norway who run the association for fat people, I mean really superfat people. He is a honest guy, very thoughtful and hard working, but his problem is he is fat, which is a medical issue. Then people post everywhere directly to him he should drop dead and he should be ashamed. Even intelligent people in Norway claim fat people are like drug addicts, re link below. It is all abuse, hateful public opinions directed to individuals:
[www.vg.no]
Recently there was a new thread as this one on IORR:
Keith Last night or Mick with Taylor Swift. What rocks your boat the most new
Posted by: xxxxx
Date: October 23, 2015 19:09
I'm going with Keith last night.
May be harmless, but still, it is a typical example of the abuse on Internet. It is not the one post, but the hundred with the same trend. What is the point in such posts? Where is the human respect factor? What is the purpose? Is it made to build friendship or hate?
I have three children. Would it be ok for me to tell everyone that one of my three children are my favorite? Just the thought, the idea of saying one person is more valuable than the other, to me, such an idea is evil. That is the real abuse. The lack of respect for other people. And that is why I will never accept it on IORR.
You may have favorites and persons you like more or less in life, but you don't start public campaigns with hate and abuse of such, that is the difference. Most people on IORR are great fans, great friends, but some does not understand that online communities require a certain degree of respect and "not-posting" policy. In short, sites without moderation or limitations will die on Internet. I don't really care about Twitter, but I do care about IORR.
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Recently there was a new thread as this one on IORR:
Keith Last night or Mick with Taylor Swift. What rocks your boat the most new
Posted by: xxxxx
Date: October 23, 2015 19:09
I'm going with Keith last night.
May be harmless, but still, it is a typical example of the abuse on Internet. It is not the one post, but the hundred with the same trend. What is the point in such posts? Where is the human respect factor? What is the purpose? Is it made to build friendship or hate?
I have three children. Would it be ok for me to tell everyone that one of my three children are my favorite? Just the thought, the idea of saying one person is more valuable than the other, to me, such an idea is evil. That is the real abuse. The lack of respect for other people. And that is why I will never accept it on IORR.
You may have favorites and persons you like more or less in life, but you don't start public campaigns with hate and abuse of such, that is the difference. Most people on IORR are great fans, great friends, but some does not understand that online communities require a certain degree of respect and "not-posting" policy. In short, sites without moderation or limitations will die on Internet. I don't really care about Twitter, but I do care about IORR.
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Maybe part of the problem is that some posters seem to think they'll change others' opinions
if they just keep repeating the same thing (positive or negative), and/or badgering anyone who has a different view.
There was a pretty high dose of that recently and while it didn't do anything to alter my opinions
it did make me feel like I didn't want to post my opinions at all.
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Recently there was a new thread as this one on IORR:
Keith Last night or Mick with Taylor Swift. What rocks your boat the most new
Posted by: xxxxx
Date: October 23, 2015 19:09
I'm going with Keith last night.
May be harmless, but still, it is a typical example of the abuse on Internet. It is not the one post, but the hundred with the same trend. What is the point in such posts? Where is the human respect factor? What is the purpose? Is it made to build friendship or hate?
I have three children. Would it be ok for me to tell everyone that one of my three children are my favorite? Just the thought, the idea of saying one person is more valuable than the other, to me, such an idea is evil. That is the real abuse. The lack of respect for other people. And that is why I will never accept it on IORR.
You may have favorites and persons you like more or less in life, but you don't start public campaigns with hate and abuse of such, that is the difference. Most people on IORR are great fans, great friends, but some does not understand that online communities require a certain degree of respect and "not-posting" policy. In short, sites without moderation or limitations will die on Internet. I don't really care about Twitter, but I do care about IORR.
Im sorry but how is that abuse of the internet? I honestly dont understand. If this really is the question of Twitter losing money then fine I get it. Iorr is probably worth a lot - as it should be. In conclusion, no campaigning in favor of Keith or Mick or any other member of the Rolling Stones?
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I dont know, depends. If it's the exact same thing over and over without any nuances then yes I guess so.
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NICOS
Maybe we all should add our Email address in IORR profile........just to show that your not that anonymous .......and if you have a problem you can fight out your "misunderstanding" through email
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Maybe we all should add our Email address in IORR profile........just to show that your not that anonymous .......and if you have a problem you can fight out your "misunderstanding" through email
Generally speaking, online forums like this record ip addresses from where a post originates. They could track you down thru your ISP if they cared enough.