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Naturalust
...I mean how much true feeling is even possible when you are a junkie with unlimited resources to maintain your habit? Just sayin....
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Naturalust
Thanks for all the insights into British mentality, I've always been a bit fascinated with the Brits, musically, historically and sociologically they provide a deep well of interesting fodder, to say nothing their amazingly cool accents.
As far as Keith's coping mechanisms back in 1976, I think it's pretty safe to say his feelings were thoroughly padded in a haze of heroin and that tragic event probably contributed to his commitment to stay in the bubble. It's nice to think the channeling of his grief was so well accomplished by simply playing a show after he received the news but to be frank I think the drugs were his true coping mechanism at that time. I mean how much true feeling is even possible when you are a junkie with unlimited resources to maintain your habit? Just sayin....
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Naturalust
...I mean how much true feeling is even possible when you are a junkie with unlimited resources to maintain your habit? Just sayin....
You call outrage at an honest question asked with respect and integrity, and then you posit this.
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...I mean how much true feeling is even possible when you are a junkie with unlimited resources to maintain your habit? Just sayin....
You call outrage at an honest question asked with respect and integrity, and then you posit this.
Truly not the same thing Olly. I think Keith's heroin addiction is pretty safe territory actually. Not only has he openly spoken about it many, many times, it is/was a huge part of his bad boy elegantly wasted image. But more to the point it is almost something he is proud to relate and even he brings it up on ocassion. He certainly doesn't seem to have many regrets about it these days and it's a very different thing, imo, than asking Keith about the death of his son, which he probably regrets very much. People almost expect Keith to be asked about his relationship with drugs, no worries, he seems to love to talk about it!
To say nothing of the difference in talking generalities about the effects of heroin on one's ability to feel and asking Keith a question about the most painful event in his life. What's more strange to me is that someone can actually talk about such a question using words like honest, respectful and integrity. But I'm sorry you were truly offended by the question I posed.
I also think it was applicable to the discussion, I've seen people addicted to heroin and, imo, it s probably one of the most feeling killing drugs on the planet, and since we were talking about coping with grief, yeah that was probably Keith's secret weapon..
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Turner68
Naturalist does have a tendency to make it sound like he thinks he knows what other people think ("We can be sure that Keith...", "Mick certainly was not trying to..." etc.), but once you get used to it and take it with a grain of salt, it's not that big a deal.
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Naturalist does have a tendency to make it sound like he thinks he knows what other people think ("We can be sure that Keith...", "Mick certainly was not trying to..." etc.), but once you get used to it and take it with a grain of salt, it's not that big a deal.
Who's Naturalist? Got to look for the "imo" qualifiers and words like "likely" and "probably" Turner, I'm pretty generous with them. I'm actually happy for you to point out when I cross the line in actually sounding like I know for certain what other people think, I don't want to be that guy. lol
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Naturalust
...I'm sorry you were truly offended by the question I posed...
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Turner68
I was trying to stick up for you, it's just a quirk you have that one has to get used to.
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Olly
I am very interested in the differences between British and American perspectives on the issues that have arisen, especially as I have never been to America to observe the culture and people.
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tumbled
It is not polite to ask a question of your guest which will make them enormously uncomfortable and bring them to grief. Its not tactful. I don't care if you are in England, America, or any other country.
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Olly
I am very interested in the differences between British and American perspectives on the issues that have arisen, especially as I have never been to America to observe the culture and people.
Just want to make it clear that Naturalust does not speak for myself or all Americans (at least all the Americans that I know).
And no offense to Naturalust, but I think he might be over-reacting and/or maybe being a bit hypersensitive to the subject.
That could be for a number of reasons - upbringing, personal beliefs, etc., but that's really none of my business,
and in no way am I criticizing his stance on the subject. Just making an observation.
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Olly
I am very interested in the differences between British and American perspectives on the issues that have arisen, especially as I have never been to America to observe the culture and people.
Just want to make it clear that Naturalust does not speak for myself or all Americans (at least all the Americans that I know).
And no offense to Naturalust, but I think he might be over-reacting and/or maybe being a bit hypersensitive to the subject.
That could be for a number of reasons - upbringing, personal beliefs, etc., but that's really none of my business,
and in no way am I criticizing his stance on the subject. Just making an observation.
No offense taken Hairball, certainly didn't meant to imply I spoke for anyone but myself, not even for all the Americans I know actually..... but I thankfully know enough who would probably agree that asking about such things is impolite at best and down right rude at worst. Hard to imagine it is a cultural thing, but who knows?
I actually didn't mean to make such as issue over it, seemed like just plain common sense and good manners to me. But I spend absolutely no time reading tabloids, watching mainstream tragedy and fear based news and media outlets or watching entertainment outlets that make a living with such questions so I'm not very desensitized. I guess there is probably a level of complacency and general acceptance of publicly digging into peoples pain and suffering that I haven't bought in to. No worries, to each their own, I'm tolerant of others values and opinions, just don't ask me about the loss of my last dog in a public event because I'm probably not going to appreciate it and will probably fall to pieces, I guess much to everyone's delight.
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jlowe
...Around 2007 your mate Kirsty interviewed musician and druggie Pete Doherty for the BBC2 Newsnight T V programme...
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jlowe
Well Naturalist, you might be interested in this.
Around 2007 your mate Kirsty interviewed musician and druggie Pete Doherty for the BBC2 Newsnight T V programme.
During the interview she startles dear Pete by telling him shes spoken to his Mum the day before the interview.
'Oh really." replies Pete. And there is another suprise in the tank: Kirsty has a letter from Pete's Mum, which she reads out in full. His reaction, knowing looks into the camera and body language speak volumes.
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Naturalust
That makes me think it's perhaps just Kirsty's trademark to bring up a sensitive or controversial subject in each interview she does...
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jlowe
It WAS Kirsty Walk.
In fact reference to the interview is made in Jacqueline Doherty's book, My Prodigal Son.
She actually states that (her words) Kirsty was very gentle with her son.
So no complaints there.
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Naturalust
I may disagree about the ratings part, can't be underestimated in the competitive fields of radio and TV, imo. But I agree the notion of what is acceptable has really gone through a significant shift in the last couple decades here in America. I went without TV for 20 years and recently got one along with the prerequisite hundreds of cable channels. I had more than a few WTF moments realizing that times had indeed changed. Not that I am anywhere near a proponent of puritan values or anything, it was just a shock to see how things had changed in my absence. Between the lame reality shows, terribly biased news broadcasts and 10 minute long commercial breaks I was generally less than impressed.
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Turner68
have you considered ditching your TV again? I haven't had one for 4 years and love it. we stream netflix and HBO over the internet when we want to watch a drama or a comedy, and most live events are now available on the internet too. TV will be completely obsolete in 5 years.
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have you considered ditching your TV again? I haven't had one for 4 years and love it. we stream netflix and HBO over the internet when we want to watch a drama or a comedy, and most live events are now available on the internet too. TV will be completely obsolete in 5 years.
So it's the medium rather than the content that you avoid.