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peoplewitheyes
Now I'm at Winning Ugly, which could prove more challenging..
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Just wait for it...
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Stoneage
I don't think Jagger cared that much for DW. All he had in his mind was probably his own solo efforts.
The mid eighties was a transitional period for the band. DW could very well have been their last album...
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24FPS
I have a theory. Only the crappy albums come up on ALBUM TALK posts. It's like someone wants to justify the crapitude of TSMR, UNDERCOVER and DIRTY WORK. Those three make EMOTIONAL RESCUE, BETWEEN THE BUTTONS, and GOATS HEAD SOUP look strong by comparison. And nobody cares to discuss much the Post-Wyman albums. Don't Stop? Please stop.
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24FPS
I have a theory. Only the crappy albums come up on ALBUM TALK posts. It's like someone wants to justify the crapitude of TSMR, UNDERCOVER and DIRTY WORK. Those three make EMOTIONAL RESCUE, BETWEEN THE BUTTONS, and GOATS HEAD SOUP look strong by comparison. And nobody cares to discuss much the Post-Wyman albums. Don't Stop? Please stop.
Check for yourself if your theory is true
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PS B2B has 14 pages with discussion.
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Spud
I've always held a mixed opinion of DW.
There are no great songs on it, the production and drum sounds are
feckin' horrible ...
...but there's some superb guitar playing throughout and a lot of real energy in some tracks.
It you could just somehow take the 80s out of it ...I think many folks might look on it more favourably.
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peoplewitheyes
I actually started to listen to Bridges to B after listening to DW, and had to switch it off. It sounded so mannered and dull.
I never thought I'd say this, but I am becoming a DW fan. I'm gonna blaze one up and put it on loud again this afternoon.
As I mentioned, I love the vitality of it, M sounds wired and angry, the guitars are nasty, and although most of you hate the production, up lout it sounded like a glorious cacophony, with the instruments and voices meshing together much better than they have since, with too many up-front vocal mixes.
Ducking now to avoid the tomatoes...
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peoplewitheyes
Was Jags still into cocaine during the DW period, or had he cleaned up by then?
I say (without irony) that I think Micks vocals are splendid on many of the tracks here. Not typical no, but fired up, lively, kind of frustrated.
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peoplewitheyes
Was Jags still into cocaine during the DW period, or had he cleaned up by then?
I say (without irony) that I think Micks vocals are splendid on many of the tracks here. Not typical no, but fired up, lively, kind of frustrated.
His worst ever. Probably it started in 1981/82 tour but throughout the 80's he just decided to shout mindlessly with no much nuance in his naturally rich voice. UNDERCOVER suffers a lot of it, SHE'S THE BOSS too, but DIRTY WORK is its nadir. In PRIMITIVE COOL he understood that he has a great distinctive voice without trying to fill the space with monotoneus noise.
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peoplewitheyes
I actually started to listen to Bridges to B after listening to DW, and had to switch it off. It sounded so mannered and dull.
I never thought I'd say this, but I am becoming a DW fan. I'm gonna blaze one up and put it on loud again this afternoon.
As I mentioned, I love the vitality of it, M sounds wired and angry, the guitars are nasty, and although most of you hate the production, up lout it sounded like a glorious cacophony, with the instruments and voices meshing together much better than they have since, with too many up-front vocal mixes.
Ducking now to avoid the tomatoes...
No tomatoes from my side.
My feeling about DW is a bit like TSMR: a lot of terrible rubbish on it, but also some good stuff. In the case of TSMR: 50% is actually great.
In the case of DW, I wouldn't go that far. I love One Hit (and I love the video-clip too): the guitars, the lyrics and Mick's voice especially. The drums (or the sound of it) could have been better. Harlem Shuffle and Sleep Tonight are alright. Winning Ugly, hated by many, is potentially a great song, if one strips the 80s sound.
The main problem with DW is Hold Back and Back To Zero, which are the equivalents of Gomper, Sing This All Together and On With The Show of TSMR.
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peoplewitheyes
Was Jags still into cocaine during the DW period, or had he cleaned up by then?
I say (without irony) that I think Micks vocals are splendid on many of the tracks here. Not typical no, but fired up, lively, kind of frustrated.
His worst ever. Probably it started in 1981/82 tour but throughout the 80's he just decided to shout mindlessly with no much nuance in his naturally rich voice. UNDERCOVER suffers a lot of it, SHE'S THE BOSS too, but DIRTY WORK is its nadir. In PRIMITIVE COOL he understood that he has a great distinctive voice without trying to fill the space with monotoneus noise.
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One Hit (To The Body) and Harlem Shuffle are the exceptions, though. Two of the singles. Probably not a coincidence
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peoplewitheyes
Was Jags still into cocaine during the DW period, or had he cleaned up by then?
I say (without irony) that I think Micks vocals are splendid on many of the tracks here. Not typical no, but fired up, lively, kind of frustrated.
His worst ever. Probably it started in 1981/82 tour but throughout the 80's he just decided to shout mindlessly with no much nuance in his naturally rich voice. UNDERCOVER suffers a lot of it, SHE'S THE BOSS too, but DIRTY WORK is its nadir. In PRIMITIVE COOL he understood that he has a great distinctive voice without trying to fill the space with monotoneus noise.
- Doxa
One Hit (To The Body) and Harlem Shuffle are the exceptions, though. Two of the singles. Probably not a coincidence
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Bashlets
I’m in the minority here but still think this album is leaps and bounds better than Undercover