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So, given available info, it seems more likely that this is a later recording of Keith playing to some people
that was captured on a cassette recording rather than a demo of the song before the stones recorded it in December 1969.

It's from the so-called Honeymoon Tapes. 1983.
Keith playing acoustic in a hotel room with some people.
You folks need to get ahold of that whole bootleg,
if only to avoid being misled into thinking those are demos.
(And a lot of them are quite fine - you'll enjoy them)

what i thought. Thank you withsssoul! He did perform a hell of a version there. You can tell the man is in love. It's give away as for date.

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Every fan should own the Honeymoon Tapes

I'm gonna get me one of those.

My email isn't hidden, Carpet

None of the available version runs at the right speed!
Keef often sounds like a chipmunk on these...

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None of the available version runs at the right speed!
Keef often sounds like a chipmunk on these...

My version doesn't have that problem - I asked a producer friend to spiff it up and it sounds great.

Yes I have some stories from Mexico, some even taking place in Hotel rooms. Certainly one of the reasons for my curiosity about this bootleg. Thanks for the heads up and replies, I'll have to check this one out.

Please dandelion,

Could you post it, the Complete HoneymoonTapes, on We transfer, please.
Thanks.

jeroen



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Thanks so much Dandelion, this will definitely help me barrow down the search!
Wondering now if all 39 of these were from the same evening?
I understand some might probably just be snippets or abbreviated versions of songs (?), but either way that's one heck of a set!
I know I've heard Please Please Me -is that where he also mentions something about the Beatles and/or Lennon... being great songwriters or something?
Can't recall much more on there, specifically the of cover Dylan's If You See Her, Say Hello among others- Dylan's original is a masterpiece!

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I agree with that.

My point about Exile not necessarily being their creative peak period would still be valid, though.

In a way, yes. "Exile" is a myth. This whole "Nellcote-recorded in Keith's basement"-thing... In fact it's the Stones first "cleaning of the vaults"-project, kind of a "Tattoo You Vol. 1". But the thing is they did not need to be all too creative - or better: productive in songwriting terms for Exile because of all the quality stuff from previous years begging for release. And just like for "Tattoo You" years later, all that was needed was just a handful of "new" songs to complete the picture.

Although it doesn't clarify if any of the 20 new songs recorded in July are included in this list of songs recorded at Nellcote, here is what was recorded for the TROPICAL DISEASE sessions. In bold released on EOMS. Let It Loose was one of the EOMS tracks recorded at Nellcote but not used for EOMS, the EOMS versions is from around the time they did Shine A Light, in 1969. This reveals a truth about Nellcote that is brilliantly ignored that also involves the finishing of the album in Los Angeles as well as how STICKY FINGERS could've been a double album as well.

10th July - late July and 14th October - 23rd November: Villefranche-sur-mer,
France, Villa Nellcote, basement of KR's house, Rolling Stones Mobile Studio.
Producer: Jimmy Miller. Sound engineers: Glyn Johns and Andy Johns. Incl.
- All Down The Line IV (MJ/KR) -Jimmy Miller on percussion, Nicky Hopkins
on piano, Bobby Keyson sax, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; instrumental
backing track
- Casino Boogie (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on
sax; Exile On Main St.-version
- Following The River I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; unverified
instrumental; date unsure
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Jimmy Miller on drums, Bobby Keys on sax and percussion,
Nicky Hopkins on piano, Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main
St.-version
- I'm Not Signifying I (MJ/KR) -early version without brass
- I'm Not Signifying II (MJ/KR) -early version, with less vocals and horns at end
- Instrumental (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
- Let It Loose II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano and mellotron;
backing track
- Loving Cup II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; alternate early version, ending
with three "alright"-screams; Crossfire Hurricane-version
- Loving Cup III (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; first part identical to version I,
spliced together with a new second part (starting at 2.12); date unsure; Exile
On Main St.-2010-remaster-version
- Pass The Wine (Sophia Loren) I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys
on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy Miller on percussion; instrumental
- Plundered My Soul I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax;
unverified instrumental; date unsure
- Rip This Joint I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version with KR on vocals
- Rip This Joint II (MJ/KR) -instrumental backing track
- Rocks Off I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim
Price on trumpet and/or trombone; instrumental backing track
- Rocks Off II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim
Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
- Soul Survivor I (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax, Jim
Price on trumpet; early version with KR on lead vocals; Exile On Main St.-
2010-remaster-version
- Soul Survivor II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; instrumental backing track
- Soul Survivor III (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
- Ventilator Blues I (MJ/KR/MT) -instrumental rehearsal; Crossfire Hurricane-version
- Ventilator Blues II (MJ/KR/MT) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, Bobby Keys on sax,
Jim Price on trumpet and/or trombone; Exile On Main St.-version
+ more
Additional musicians: Nicky Hopkins, Jimmy Miller, Bobby Keys and Jim Price.
Note: In July they recorded about 20 new tracks. No mixing or overdubbing
was done until the 30th November.
The vocal parts for most of the tracks were recorded in Los Angeles.

[www.nzentgraf.de]

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The primary argument against a Jagger solo record is, I think, the success of Doom and Gloom. It didn't burn up the charts particularly, but it was critically well received, and is, generally, a well recorded, well written track. Even if the Stones are just the session players to flesh out his demos, there's a worthwhile record to be made there.

Doom and gloom was largely ignored except by those annoyed at the space it took in their set list. It was a gimmick to sell copies of Grrr. They would have been better off doing a chuck berry cover. In my opinion.

At least there were only TWO new tracks for CURRRRR instead of 4 like they did for FORTY LICKS, which ruined disc 2 of that comp.

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Let It Loose was one of the EOMS tracks recorded at Nellcote but not used for EOMS, the EOMS versions is from around the time they did Shine A Light, in 1969.

No, they didn't record backing tracks of Let It Loose in France, they simply overdubbed on to the 1969/70 Olympic Studios recording possibly in France, definitely in LA.

Additionally, the Loving Cup mentioned in that list are both from June 1969, those being the rougher drunk electric guitars versions. Neither appeared on 1972 Exile release.

The Loving Cup in bold is this one with the weird edits: [www.youtube.com]



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The Sunday Times Magazine reprinted this weekend the Rolling Stone interview on which Keith talks about starting the recordings before Christmas this year:

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk]

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At least there were only TWO new tracks for CURRRRR instead of 4 like they did for FORTY LICKS, which ruined disc 2 of that comp.

Doom And Gloom --- absolutely brilliant
One More Shot --- very good

Don´t Stop --- very good
Stealing My Heart --- very good
Keys To Your Love --- very good
Losing My Touch --- gorgeous

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At least there were only TWO new tracks for CURRRRR instead of 4 like they did for FORTY LICKS, which ruined disc 2 of that comp.

Doom And Gloom --- absolutely brilliant
One More Shot --- very good

Don´t Stop --- very good
Stealing My Heart --- very good
Keys To Your Love --- very good
Losing My Touch --- gorgeous

Here's my assessment:

Doom And Gloom
One More Shot

Don´t Stop
Stealing My Heart
Keys To Your Love
Losing My Touch --- not bad

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At least there were only TWO new tracks for CURRRRR instead of 4 like they did for FORTY LICKS, which ruined disc 2 of that comp.

Doom And Gloom --- absolutely brilliant
One More Shot --- very good

Don´t Stop --- very good
Stealing My Heart --- very good
Keys To Your Love --- very good
Losing My Touch --- gorgeous

Here's my assessment:

Doom And Gloom
One More Shot

Don´t Stop
Stealing My Heart
Keys To Your Love
Losing My Touch --- not bad

hairball-- i concur.

I like Keys To Your Love. Nice soul tune.

I think all those tracks range from decent to very good. I like them better than most of Bigger Bang. They should have finished Just Because though!

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I like Keys To Your Love. Nice soul tune.

Ya know I had to revisit that and Stealing My Heart to reacquaint myself with them before making my above assessment.
'Keys' starts off nice enough, and the music and instrumentation is quite pleasant throughout.
Nice and subtle riff/rhythm guitar, quality drumming, subtle bass, and a tasty little lead.
But...and this is a big one (albeit not surprising)....Micks vocals destroy it imo.
Loud, abrasive, over-exaggerated, whiney, nasally, snotty, etc.
And the lyrics are sappy and cheesy:

"Yeah it don't seem to matter, who's right and who's wrong
I want to tell you how I feel now, in the words of this song"


I wonder what the breakdown on the writing credits is for this tune.


And I must have missed this on the track talk thread, so pardon me for laying it on thick in this thread.

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I like Keys To Your Love. Nice soul tune.

Ya know I had to revisit that and Stealing My Heart to reacquaint myself with them before making my above assessment.
'Keys' starts off nice enough, and the music and instrumentation is quite pleasant throughout.
Nice and subtle riff/rhythm guitar, quality drumming, subtle bass, and a tasty little lead.
But...and this is a big one (albeit not surprising)....Micks vocals destroy it imo.
Loud, abrasive, over-exaggerated, whiney, nasally, snotty, etc.
And the lyrics are sappy and cheesy:

"Yeah it don't seem to matter, who's right and who's wrong
I want to tell you how I feel now, in the words of this song"


I wonder what the breakdown on the writing credits is for this tune.


And I must have missed this on the track talk thread, so pardon me for laying it on thick in this thread.

I was going to say the same thing Hairball but realized I've spoken about so many tunes where Mick's vocal has blown it I thought I might just start sounding like a broken record. Whatever, this is surely one of them, not so much the lyrics since even sappy ones can work really well when done right but something about the delivery and certainly the volume. Grating.

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Edit: always thought his Please please me cover was from the 90s or 00s.



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Edit: always thought his Please please me cover was from the 90s or 00s.

He did one during the VL sessions as well (on Voodoo Brew, if memory serves...).

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Edit: always thought his Please please me cover was from the 90s or 00s.

He did one during the VL sessions as well (on Voodoo Brew, if memory serves...).

Mick has said that Keith was somewhat obsessed with Please Please Me in the 60s
and apparently he still hadn't gotten over it - although these are more like snippets than covers.
I love his commentary on the Voodoo one: "Horrible Beatles bridge - I'm not gonna play it!" [then he plays it]
"I coulda written it better" :E

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Please dandelion,

Could you post it, the Complete HoneymoonTapes, on We transfer, please.
Thanks.

jeroen

HERE it is, jeroen.

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Please dandelion,

Could you post it, the Complete HoneymoonTapes, on We transfer, please.
Thanks.

jeroen

HERE it is, jeroen.

Thanks a lot Dandelion !!!!
You made me HAPPY!!
Jeroen

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Let It Loose was one of the EOMS tracks recorded at Nellcote but not used for EOMS, the EOMS versions is from around the time they did Shine A Light, in 1969.

No, they didn't record backing tracks of Let It Loose in France, they simply overdubbed on to the 1969/70 Olympic Studios recording possibly in France, definitely in LA.

Additionally, the Loving Cup mentioned in that list are both from June 1969, those being the rougher drunk electric guitars versions. Neither appeared on 1972 Exile release.

The Loving Cup in bold is this one with the weird edits: [www.youtube.com]

I was trying to remember what you said. I sort of got it.

Those 4 new LICKS songs... Don't Stop is OK, at least it's got a beat to it, and Losing My Touch is nicely done. The other two stink the place up. They're 4th rate filler. There's ZERO about them that stand out (other than how bad they are). Keys To Your Love and Stealing My Heart sound like the Stones working really hard at not sounding like the Stones, which in the past worked great for the most part.

They're just a bunch of noise. They make most of A BIGGER BANG sound like EXILE.

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Those 4 new LICKS songs... Don't Stop is OK, at least it's got a beat to it, and Losing My Touch is nicely done. The other two stink the place up. They're 4th rate filler. There's ZERO about them that stand out (other than how bad they are). Keys To Your Love and Stealing My Heart sound like the Stones working really hard at not sounding like the Stones, which in the past worked great for the most part.

They're just a bunch of noise. They make most of A BIGGER BANG sound like EXILE.

A bit harsh, maybe, but as usual the proof is in the pudding - I never feel the desire to listen to these tracks. They're just so...pale in comparison to other Stones material. Don't Stop is, agreed, quite ok, and would have been enough for 40 Licks. I used to like it more back then, but it wore off so quickly.

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Those 4 new LICKS songs... Don't Stop is OK, at least it's got a beat to it, and Losing My Touch is nicely done. The other two stink the place up. They're 4th rate filler. There's ZERO about them that stand out (other than how bad they are). Keys To Your Love and Stealing My Heart sound like the Stones working really hard at not sounding like the Stones, which in the past worked great for the most part.

They're just a bunch of noise. They make most of A BIGGER BANG sound like EXILE.

A bit harsh, maybe, but as usual the proof is in the pudding - I never feel the desire to listen to these tracks. They're just so...pale in comparison to other Stones material. Don't Stop is, agreed, quite ok, and would have been enough for 40 Licks. I used to like it more back then, but it wore off so quickly.

Well, just for the sake of a bit of balance, I genuinely think all four tracks are very good. If they replaced the four worst tracks on A Bigger Bang - a tough call as to what they may be - that album would have been improved immensely.