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I love this song and I love the album iorr. Sleazy 70s Jagger. I love that Jagger. The best Jagger there ever was.
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Too late now, Silver Dagger, afterwards to quote your post on a smartphone:
Consult the thread, where the opening post tried to introduce a discussion of the 'filler' concept. In a post in that thread, stonehearted indicated most adequately that the first album would have one intended filler. By motive, I then agreed that "Now I've Got a Witness" so far, formally, may be seen as a filler. However, with a view to its good effect, I disagreed on the whole.
Even with the greatest artists there is filler as well as killer. And of course let's not forget the killer diller. ><
I have to ask you then, Silver Dagger: What is a "filler" / 'filler' in your understanding?
The two songs that annoy me the most, are "Melody" and "Tops". In your use of concepts, should I then condemn those two songs as "fillers"? Then there are a couple of songs that I probably think are weaker, but annoy me less. Does that fact make them "fillers" to me in your use of the language?
Added in this edit: And if I was not outspoken enough, I myself do not use the language that way. To do that, is in my outlook cheap and lazy language.
A second much later edit: One misplaced "?" cleared away.
Filler is anything which to your own ears is below standard songwriting. You've mentioned two which you consider to be filler. That is what filler is. I'm just saying that not everything that the Stones put out was up to their own high standards.
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Ket
have to say it's one of their worst ever, sappy and souless.
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Just listened to the whole album the other day, the Virgin remastered version, driving around.
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Too late now, Silver Dagger, afterwards to quote your post on a smartphone:
Consult the thread, where the opening post tried to introduce a discussion of the 'filler' concept. In a post in that thread, stonehearted indicated most adequately that the first album would have one intended filler. By motive, I then agreed that "Now I've Got a Witness" so far, formally, may be seen as a filler. However, with a view to its good effect, I disagreed on the whole.
Even with the greatest artists there is filler as well as killer. And of course let's not forget the killer diller. ><
I have to ask you then, Silver Dagger: What is a "filler" / 'filler' in your understanding?
The two songs that annoy me the most, are "Melody" and "Tops". In your use of concepts, should I then condemn those two songs as "fillers"? Then there are a couple of songs that I probably think are weaker, but annoy me less. Does that fact make them "fillers" to me in your use of the language?
Added in this edit: And if I was not outspoken enough, I myself do not use the language that way. To do that, is in my outlook cheap and lazy language.
A second much later edit: One misplaced "?" cleared away.
Filler is anything which to your own ears is below standard songwriting. You've mentioned two which you consider to be filler. That is what filler is. I'm just saying that not everything that the Stones put out was up to their own high standards.
Well, if you really have read my posts here, you ought to have understood that I myself do disagree in such an unprincipled use of the language, saying this is what a 'filler' is.
that is another bad one I would say they are both shiteQuote
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have to say it's one of their worst ever, sappy and souless.
Nope. That, their worst ever, is strictly reserved for the one and only Streets Of Shit. Er, I mean Love. Streets Of Love.
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have to say it's one of their worst ever, sappy and souless.
Nope. That, their worst ever, is strictly reserved for the one and only Streets Of Shit. Er, I mean Love. Streets Of Love.
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Posted before on this forum on another Goodbye thread:
From the book JAGGER: REBEL, ROCK STAR, RAMBLER, ROGUE by Marc Spitz:
CARLY SIMON: "We wrote a song together that became a song on the Stones' next album called TILL THE NEXT GOODBYE. I thought that that was going to be a joint venture, but I'd never heard from Mick about how he'd like me to share the royalties. It's the very least I can do to thank Mick for turning what could of been an ordinary record [YOU'RE SO VAIN on which Mick sang backing vocals] into an iconic huge song for me over the years—so, my god, let him take all of my songs and say that he wrote them."
Come to think of it the song does sound a bit like one of Carly Simon's.
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have to say it's one of their worst ever, sappy and souless.
Nope. That, their worst ever, is strictly reserved for the one and only Streets Of Shit. Er, I mean Love. Streets Of Love.
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Posted before on this forum on another Goodbye thread:
From the book JAGGER: REBEL, ROCK STAR, RAMBLER, ROGUE by Marc Spitz:
CARLY SIMON: "We wrote a song together that became a song on the Stones' next album called TILL THE NEXT GOODBYE. I thought that that was going to be a joint venture, but I'd never heard from Mick about how he'd like me to share the royalties. It's the very least I can do to thank Mick for turning what could of been an ordinary record [YOU'RE SO VAIN on which Mick sang backing vocals] into an iconic huge song for me over the years—so, my god, let him take all of my songs and say that he wrote them."
Come to think of it the song does sound a bit like one of Carly Simon's.
Yes, however, this is the first I heard of her claim. Interesting she credits
Mick with much of the success of "your so vain". His role was just backing vocals
but I suppose this increased airplay when first released. Certainly her most
successful tune.
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Too late now, Silver Dagger, afterwards to quote your post on a smartphone:
Consult the thread, where the opening post tried to introduce a discussion of the 'filler' concept. In a post in that thread, stonehearted indicated most adequately that the first album would have one intended filler. By motive, I then agreed that "Now I've Got a Witness" so far, formally, may be seen as a filler. However, with a view to its good effect, I disagreed on the whole.
Even with the greatest artists there is filler as well as killer. And of course let's not forget the killer diller. ><
I have to ask you then, Silver Dagger: What is a "filler" / 'filler' in your understanding?
The two songs that annoy me the most, are "Melody" and "Tops". In your use of concepts, should I then condemn those two songs as "fillers"? Then there are a couple of songs that I probably think are weaker, but annoy me less. Does that fact make them "fillers" to me in your use of the language?
Added in this edit: And if I was not outspoken enough, I myself do not use the language that way. To do that, is in my outlook cheap and lazy language.
A second much later edit: One misplaced "?" cleared away.
Filler is anything which to your own ears is below standard songwriting. You've mentioned two which you consider to be filler. That is what filler is. I'm just saying that not everything that the Stones put out was up to their own high standards.
Well, if you really have read my posts here, you ought to have understood that I myself do disagree in such an unprincipled use of the language, saying this is what a 'filler' is.
Who cares? It's a free world man. Get over it.
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Too late now, Silver Dagger, afterwards to quote your post on a smartphone:
Consult the thread, where the opening post tried to introduce a discussion of the 'filler' concept. In a post in that thread, stonehearted indicated most adequately that the first album would have one intended filler. By motive, I then agreed that "Now I've Got a Witness" so far, formally, may be seen as a filler. However, with a view to its good effect, I disagreed on the whole.
Even with the greatest artists there is filler as well as killer. And of course let's not forget the killer diller. ><
I have to ask you then, Silver Dagger: What is a "filler" / 'filler' in your understanding?
The two songs that annoy me the most, are "Melody" and "Tops". In your use of concepts, should I then condemn those two songs as "fillers"? Then there are a couple of songs that I probably think are weaker, but annoy me less. Does that fact make them "fillers" to me in your use of the language?
Added in this edit: And if I was not outspoken enough, I myself do not use the language that way. To do that, is in my outlook cheap and lazy language.
A second much later edit: One misplaced "?" cleared away.
Filler is anything which to your own ears is below standard songwriting. You've mentioned two which you consider to be filler. That is what filler is. I'm just saying that not everything that the Stones put out was up to their own high standards.
Well, if you really have read my posts here, you ought to have understood that I myself do disagree in such an unprincipled use of the language, saying this is what a 'filler' is.
Who cares? It's a free world man. Get over it.
Very well. In that free world I state as my view that the only intended Stones filler did not end up that way. So Stones never had a filler. And my saying so, should not concern you either in that allegedly free world.
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Turner68
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i have too much respect for my fellow IORRians to believe that anyone posting that they like this song has actually listened to it.
-- from the desk of Turner
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Tops
Good song on one of their worst albums.
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memo from turner:
i have too much respect for my fellow IORRians to believe that anyone posting that they like this song has actually listened to it.
-- from the desk of Turner
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?? -
YOURS IS THE MOST ARROGANT POST I READ SINCE 12 YEARS BEING IN IORR.
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memo from turner:
i have too much respect for my fellow IORRians to believe that anyone posting that they like this song has actually listened to it.
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StonesCat
Not a huge, huge fan but after seeing it (IIRC) in the Sweet Summer Sun close, I appreciated it more. Got a glimmer at the rehearsals last year, would have been interesting.
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bitusa2012
Nice enough track I guess. But like the rest of the album, has all awful dull sound to it. There is just no snap to the record, production wise, just too sterile and muted.
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StonesCat
Not a huge, huge fan but after seeing it (IIRC) in the Sweet Summer Sun close, I appreciated it more. Got a glimmer at the rehearsals last year, would have been interesting.
Can you please explain what you are referencing in this post?
IIRC?
And this song was rehearsed somewhere??
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JMARKO
This album sounds like it was recorded under a blanket! Can never get any SOUND out of it. I can't believe this is so rarely pointed out.
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Not a huge, huge fan but after seeing it (IIRC) in the Sweet Summer Sun close, I appreciated it more. Got a glimmer at the rehearsals last year, would have been interesting.
Can you please explain what you are referencing in this post?
IIRC?
And this song was rehearsed somewhere??
Yeah... what is that?
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SharksWillCry
Yeah, the production is horrible on IORR. It sounds like they muffled everything with that netting they were wearing on the Goat's Head Soup pictures.
Good: Bridges to Babylon
It's of course hard to separate the confounders. Whether or not you like the material is the big one.....I don't know what to think of A Bigger Bang; it's like, disqualified from study because of these confounders.